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Dragon Age: The Veilguard performance analysis

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Mortisimal reviewed it and said it's one of the best games he's played, then other reviewers are calling it hot garbage... seems like you either love it or hate it.
 
79/100 by the same people who gave Concord that score :roll:
 
Mortisimal reviewed it and said it's one of the best games he's played, then other reviewers are calling it hot garbage... seems like you either love it or hate it.

The problem these days with reviews is you can't get anything unbiased anymore a lot of people choose to like or hate somthing even before they've actually played the game.

I haven't seen anything I'd remotely like when it comes to this game but won't pass final judgement till I've actually played it but that'll have to wait till it's heavily discounted.

79/100 by the same people who gave Concord that score :roll:

Honestly concord looked better than this :laugh:also I'm more of the belief the aesthetics of the characters killed that game in hero type shooters you need to actually like the characters lol, not that the actual gameplay was bad.
 
Mortisimal reviewed it and said it's one of the best games he's played, then other reviewers are calling it hot garbage... seems like you either love it or hate it.

It's almost as if reviews are subjective, and are you talking about some of the mixed reviews it has gotten? You can think things are just ok without it meaning you think it's hot garbage.
The problem these days with reviews is you can't get anything unbiased anymore a lot of people choose to like or hate somthing even before they've actually played the game.

There is no such thing as unbiased reviews, and there has never been. Well I guess performance reviews can be.
 
Seem to remember Frostbite actually being more Radeon friendly in the past, so I guess they’ve changed something in the engine. Inquisition ran better on AMD cards way back when, though that was a decade ago. So did some of the recent Battlefields, if memory serves. Oh well.

As for the game, I just will wait for the inevitable cringe compilation of all the worst dialogue. I watched a bit of gameplay going back and forth to confirm for myself and yuuuup - this is peak modern writing. I am not going to say that BioWare ever were Dostoevsky level writers, far from it, but Origins is peak literature compared to whatever the fuck they are going for here. That at least had some gravitas to it, however generic fantasy the world could be.
 
The issue with Veilguard reviews is that EA seemingly cherry picked who received review codes to skew the score higher than it should be. Even the two most scathing reviews I've seen, Skill Up and MrMattyPlays, had positive previews of the game so EA thought they'd give it a good score. Skill Up's review is particularly damming. For me, it's less about the reviewers score and more about what they liked/disliked and why. That's part of why the Skill Up review was so scathing to me. He would say something he disliked and show footage backing up what he said. The "Every conversation sounds like HR's in the room" comment was the death knell to what little interest I had left in the game.
 
There is no such thing as unbiased reviews, and there has never been. Well I guess performance reviews can be.

While true they've turned into being either politically motivated or monetarily motivated vs based on if the game is good or not.
 
Mortisimal reviewed it and said it's one of the best games he's played, then other reviewers are calling it hot garbage... seems like you either love it or hate it.

At the end of the day, it's just someone's opinion. Many of which are bought and paid for or influenced by personal factors that others don't care about. Who's who? Who knows.

I would rather watch gameplay footage and draw my own conclusion. Worst case scenario, my eyes deceive me, the game blows, and I refund it before the time window closes.
 
I'll buy it when it's 20 bucks. All these games have crept up in price and make them less relevant.

As for the whole 'all reviewers are biased' positions, I guess the only unbiased reviews are those who shit on games these days? Seems like an easy gig then.

I think people should stop commenting on how good or bad games are until they buy them.
 
There is no such thing as unbiased reviews, and there has never been. Well I guess performance reviews can be.
even in performance reviews you see "they only ran the tests that make the other brand look good!"
hey've turned into being either politically motivated or monetarily motivated vs based on if the game is good or not.
maybe I'm naive and I don't read too many game reviews but I've never read a politically motivated game review
I guess the only unbiased reviews are those who shit on games these days?
biased, your review is opposite of my opinion
unbiased, your review matches my opinion

Maybe people should just learn the difference between offering an opinion on a qualitative subject is different than on a quantitative subject.
 
biased, your review is opposite of my opinion
unbiased, your review matches my opinion

Maybe people should just learn the difference between offering an opinion on a qualitative subject is different than on a quantitative subject.

More echo chambers opening up. Oh well.

I played the first two Dragon Ages, then lost interest. The reviews seem okay to me. And performance wise, hopefully runs fine.
 
More echo chambers opening up. Oh well.

I played the first two Dragon Ages, then lost interest. The reviews seem okay to me. And performance wise, hopefully runs fine.
I've enjoyed all three to various degrees. Obviously I've not played the game (launches on the 31st) but from reading the reviews it seems to be a mix of II & III. Also, 79/100 isn't a "bad" review score. Not great either (close to the 84 metascore) but too many people want things to be "the best ever" or "the worst ever" with no in-between.
 
At the end of the day, it's just someone's opinion. Many of which are bought and paid for or influenced by personal factors that others don't care about. Who's who? Who knows.

I would rather watch gameplay footage and draw my own conclusion. Worst case scenario, my eyes deceive me, the game blows, and I refund it before the time window closes.
Yep, I pretty much never read game reviews nowadays.
I can draw my own conclusion and know what type of games I possibly like or not and wheres my tolerance limit. Like when someone points out how bad this and that was and I'm like eh I did not even notice that nor got in my way of fun with the game.
What I do check tho is the performance reviews since thats not an opinion.

If I was listening to other ppl's opinion about my choice of games then I wouldn't be playing some of my favourite games.:) 'cause yeh I do like some games that apparently some really don't or they don't even play the game in the first place'
 
One pic, telling a thousand words here

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Bioware's braindead facial mocap? Check.
Limited team setup with fixed set of quirky characters and zero complexity? Check.
Theme park 'world'? Check.

If that's what you're looking for... by all means. But after Inquisition I think I'm done with this, and after ME Andromeda I'm done with Bioware. This is clearly more of the same. Some review described it as the Avengers, well that's quite precisely what's dripping off these screenshots. Copy pasted concepts, no originality, simplicity, while feigning to be an 'RPG'. The game's soul was left somewhere in the city of part 2 I think, along with its interesting character build concept, that they left behind after part 1. I replayed 1 a month ago, and its a real joy to progress and level up in that game. Even though you have similar limitations in character building, there are no canned 'talent trees', there are just lots of skillsets you can combine anyway you want and between different party member specializations that makes for some pretty cool combos and ways to counter challenges. In 2/3 you're already limited and locked into specialization, its not an addon, it limits your choices there. Veilguard is worse. And in both 2 and 3 the combat is a very stale affair, once you've landed on a setup you're just mashing rotations regardless of what you're up against.

From the PCGamer review conclusion: You can literally smell this a mile away and it was obvious before the game even released: its standard corpo fare now. There is nothing new here.

" Pillars, Pathfinder and Rogue Trader all build on the legacy of the Infinity Engine games of BioWare's past, but they bump up the flexibility and character development potential considerably. Tyranny and Disco are more cerebral, experimenting with how RPGs handle the complexities of ethics and philosophy, ultimately letting players make choices that eschew the genre's conventions. Divinity and Baldur's Gate smash sandboxes and CRPGs together, giving us RPGs that boast the unparalleled permissiveness of their tabletop counterparts. The Witcher and Cyberpunk raise the bar for quest design and storytelling, showing us that expensive and flashy blockbuster RPGs can still be smart and evocative.

What does The Veilguard do? It is a polished and competent BioWare action-RPG that follows a safe, conventional pattern. The old BioWare magic has been codified and sanitised, and now feels dated—even more so than BioWare's actually pretty old RPGs. It is as broad, predictable and inoffensive as a crowd-pleasing Marvel movie, all flashy, clean and easy to digest; so it has the power to be entertaining, but never in a way that will stick with you. There are no big swings, no risks, no shocks, and while I have enjoyed some of it, for most of my fourth trip across Thedas I've been left pretty bored. "
 
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Well duh, but that's the gist of ALL those clickbait sites. They write articles for money. Ad money, publisher money. Whatever. Money. Its a nice find though, lmao.

As long as people form their opinion based not on experience but on what others say, yeah. I'd rather just count sheep to get asleep, but that's me.
 
Well duh, but that's the gist of ALL those clickbait sites. They write articles for money. Ad money, publisher money. Whatever. Money.

As long as people form their opinion based not on experience but on what others say, yeah. I'd rather just count sheep to get asleep, but that's me.

My buddy who desperately wants this game to be good sent me like 4-5 of those and its comical they almost sound like EA wrote the review for them lmao.

I'll still buy it at some point and judge it for myself but I'm not holding my breath it bas been downhill since origins.
 
After ME Andromeda I'm done with Bioware.
Exact example of what I've mentioned in my previous post.
I'm a massive fan of the ME serie but at first I was listening to the ppl who hated on Andromeda so I've avoided it for more than a year but then I've gave it a chance and lo behold I've put almost 90 hours into the game and I've actually liked it as a SIDE game in the ME universe. 'I've learned to treat games in their own way even if its within the same genre or serie'
Sure it will never be as good as the original serie but as a fan another game in the same universe was good enough and by the time I've played it most of the bigger bugs were fixed already and all I've did is install the shut up SAM mod and thats it.

This is exactly why I refuse to listen to anyone let alone reviews nowadays, I aint gonna skip on games that I could most likely enjoy just because someone said so.:) 'this is not a jab at anyone just an example'
 
Exact example of what I've mentioned in my previous post.
I'm a massive fan of the ME serie but at first I was listening to the ppl who hated on Andromeda so I've avoided it for more than a year but then I've gave it a chance and lo behold I've put almost 90 hours into the game and I've actually liked it as a SIDE game in the ME universe. 'I've learned to treat games in their own way even if its within the same genre or serie'
Sure it will never be as good as the original serie but as a fan another game in the same universe was good enough and by the time I've played it most of the bigger bugs were fixed already and all I've did is install the shut up SAM mod and thats it.

This is exactly why I refuse to listen to anyone let alone reviews nowadays, I aint gonna skip on games that I could most likely enjoy just because someone said so.:) 'this is not a jab at anyone just an example'
And that's good, form your own opinion based on experience. A lot of that is connected to your own phase in life and in gaming too, let's be honest; you either have the (mind-) space for example to grind for days or you're past that, or it never interested you. That goes for all game concepts. My experience is based on what I've seen so many series turn into. Mass Effect, too, suffered the same path of simplification going from part 1 to 3 that Dragon Age did. Similar concepts, but slightly simplified with every part that followed 1.

I played ME Andromeda too. I kinda like your saying its a side game, I kinda view it that way too. Its just such a departure from what made the 1-3 parts so great, and above all, memorable. There is literally not a single scene in Andromeda I can recall as memorable. Not one. The only thing I do remember is that the whole game's story felt like a prologue, except then nothing follows and you're done and left with a half dozen open ends. Its really silly writing to end a game by finally arriving at the cool premise to tell a real story. And then ending the game. I'd say that's a far worse idea than the whole fuss about ME3's endings. ME1-3 had a similar setup though, the story evolves throughout the game, and ends with cliffhanger... but in those part 1 and 2 also told their own story, were their own thing, and it was a pretty great thing, too.

And this DA is more of that. What irks me is that the gameplay, because you're clearly NOT playing this for good story, has also been watered down so much. There's so damn little to work with. So here I am... following these titles, their development, because they're my kind of games usually... but every time the big three release something that looks like it... they mainstream-it-up and turn it into a box of McDonalds fries that turn dry and stale in 10 minutes. I played a lot of games I hated on, too, to see if there still wasn't something left there for me. I can't even name one exception though... even though for example I really did want to like Andromeda, and Inquisition too.

Also... we all know its just in name these days but let's appreciate the little fact that numerous other studio's have proven to be much better at execution of the very concept that made Bioware great. It speaks volumes of the sorry state the company and EA is really in. Input is output...
 
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And that's good, form your own opinion based on experience. A lot of that is connected to your own phase in life and in gaming too, let's be honest; you either have the (mind-) space for example to grind for days or you're past that, or it never interested you. That goes for all game concepts. My experience is based on what I've seen so many series turn into. Mass Effect, too, suffered the same path of simplification going from part 1 to 3 that Dragon Age did. Similar concepts, but slightly simplified with every part that followed 1.

I played ME Andromeda too. I kinda like your saying its a side game, I kinda view it that way too. Its just such a departure from what made the 1-3 parts so great, and above all, memorable. There is literally not a single scene in Andromeda I can recall as memorable. Not one. The only thing I do remember is that the whole game's story felt like a prologue, except then nothing follows and you're done and left with a half dozen open ends. Its really silly writing to end a game by finally arriving at the cool premise to tell a real story. And then ending the game. I'd say that's a far worse idea than the whole fuss about ME3's endings. ME1-3 had a similar setup though, the story evolves throughout the game, and ends with cliffhanger... but in those part 1 and 2 also told their own story, were their own thing, and it was a pretty great thing, too.

And this DA is more of that. What irks me is that the gameplay, because you're clearly NOT playing this for good story, has also been watered down so much. There's so damn little to work with. So here I am... following these titles, their development, because they're my kind of games usually... but every time the big three release something that looks like it... they mainstream-it-up and turn it into a box of McDonalds fries that turn dry and stale in 10 minutes. I played a lot of games I hated on, too, to see if there still wasn't something left there for me. I can't even name one exception though... even though for example I really did want to like Andromeda, and Inquisition too.

Also... we all know its just in name these days but let's appreciate the little fact that numerous other studio's have proven to be much better at execution of the very concept that made Bioware great. It speaks volumes of the sorry state the company and EA is really in. Input is output...
Thats fair and this is where the mentioned 'tolerance' level comes in, personally I'm not exactly bothered by the so called simplifiactions as long as the game itself keeps me interested and gives me an enjoyable experience. 'tbh the older I get the more I feel like this:oops:'
I've played DA 1 when it was fairly new and tried Inquisition briefly which did look interesting to me I just had too many games to play at the time so I've put it aside and its still waiting in my backlog.:laugh:

Btw Andromeda was supposed to be a trilogy from what I know just like the original ME but since it was considered as a flop they trashed the whole thing so that explains the ending and that prologue feeling of the whole game.
 
I really tried to get into the last dragon age (inquisition) and couldn't do it gameplay loop was a massive snoozefest. Huge fan of the first and second ones tho.
 
Man almost feel like dropping money on this just to reward Bioware for not releasing a stutter fest like every other developer does with console ports these days.....


 
I'm done with Bioware.
You and I have discussed this in other threads but it really should not be called Bioware. EA bought their IPs and just run them out in MA & DA to hopefully wring out some dollars from people hoping a return to the past but that's never going happen mostly for below
From the PCGamer review conclusion:
I have not played Veilguard but if you read between the lines he's basically saying when you make a RPG that's more for the typically "PC Gamer" as opposed to the typical "console" gamer you tend to get better depth in character, story, gameplay and doing things outside of cookie cutter gameplay. That said, that formula can make the games "too long" and "difficult" and turn off console people which limits sales. Most publishers hate strategy and CRPGs games, the developers have come out and said so as it limits the audience. They want cookie cutter 15-20 hour "action adventure" games that they can make sequal after sequal.
There is literally not a single scene in Andromeda I can recall as memorable.
What about that time you visited an alien planet and got attacked by aliens so you ended up shooting like 50 of them to get to the place so you can click on that thing to keep that other thing from happening?
 
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