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In this card i tried now a paste that is very hard, AKASA AK-T565. I will monitor how it will end.
For information deepcool z9 , deepcool g40, mx-4, mx-5 , ceramique 2 eventually all failed. (mx-4 one week, mx-5 6 months, deepcoll 2-3 months).
Also the fanny thing is that i found an old tube of mx-1 from pentium 4 era i put in the t420 sandybridge laptop and it was the only paste that it was not degraded. Mx-1 is the same product with shin-etsu g751.
Then they come with mx-2 that is their product.
For information only. The akasa ak-t565 is a good product, a click above the other that i tried. It pump out a little in a rx580 gpu. It can do 3d mark stress test at 75 celsiou without throttling and fan at 60%.
Now i try the akasa AK-TC5026 that is the same product with dowsil tc-5026. Now first day it can do 3d mark stress test at 75 celsiou and fan at 42%.

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Quick test on old celeron:
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Just a tiny drop, no oil separation at all.

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First of all, you are conducting your experiment at room temperature. That is not the typical operating environment of a CPU.

The oil separation is probably happening at higher temperatures and might be exacerbated by temperature deltas between high operating temperature and when the system is turned off.

The Core i7 in my Mac mini 2018 will reach almost 100 °C, the maximum operating temperature of the CPU. Apple designed this system to use the CPU's full TDP. What is the ambient temperature in the room at night? Maybe 20 °C thus an eighty degree range. And Apple quotes a lower temperature for storage.

According to Arctic's note, this oil separation is causing premature drying of the thermal compound. This likely happens after extended usage, not something that happens immediately after application otherwise they would have noted it in their lab tests with prototype pastes.

Remember that thermal grease isn't the only thing that suffers from oil separation.

A slab of bacon has been hanging in room for months and months without oil separation. Put that slab on your kitchen counter overnight. Nothing will happen. Put that slab in roasting pan and throw into a 90 °C (195 °F) oven overnight. There will be a puddle of oil. That's oil separation. Throw a chocolate bar into the refrigerator for a few weeks; that white bloom on the outside is cocoa butter that has migrated to the exterior.

If you cook or bake regularly, you'll be quite familiar with oil separation and how materials vary in behavior based on temperature and age. Heavy cream whips better when very cold but egg whites are better when warmed up. In fact, older egg whites are better for whipping up than whites from freshly laid eggs. There's a lot of chemistry and physics involved in cooking; a good cook is a keen observer even if they don't have a chemistry or physics degree.
 
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Sad about mx-5. My opinion is I think it got so much bad press, they just pulled the plug with everyone avoiding it just to be safe.

I tried two different tunes of TFX on my MBP 2016 and temps keep going back to a 100 even with a custom fan profile after about 2 months, same with master gel maker, all Noctua pastes and another one that I can't recall at the moment.

Just ordered SYY 157, mx-5 and TF8 as I have seen good results with other than TFX.

Which one yall think I should try first with the best chance of success. The heat sync on mac requires like an hour as it's on the other side of the logic board and takes ages to take everything apart.

Anyone has any good experience with macs specifically as the airflow is absolute trash in the intel models.

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So I got MX-5 in main first. Looks like a good batch to me. It is both easier and worse to work with as it's more fluid than TFX. It's really stringy, so I had to use the ice cream cone method not to get strings of paste all over the place.

Had some time to do a fresh repaste on my work Dell machine as it takes a few minutes to do. So far performance is actually 1 degree lower than fresh TFX and 10 degrees better than the TFX 4-month-old TFX. It seems to transfer heat faster maybe as my fresh TFX application did thermal throttle by 2 percent running aida64 for the first few seconds, no such thing with this paste.

In summary, my temps went from 80-81 to 79-80 with mx-5. Not sure how it will hold up, but tfx certainly didn't.
 
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Sad about mx-5. My opinion is I think it got so much bad press, they just pulled the plug with everyone avoiding it just to be safe.

I tried two different tunes of TFX on my MBP 2016 and temps keep going back to a 100 even with a custom fan profile after about 2 months, same with master gel maker, all Noctua pastes and another one that I can't recall at the moment.

Just ordered SYY 157, mx-5 and TF8 as I have seen good results with other than TFX.

Which one yall think I should try first with the best chance of success. The heat sync on mac requires like an hour as it's on the other side of the logic board and takes ages to take everything apart.

Anyone has any good experience with macs specifically as the airflow is absolute trash in the intel models.

Hmm, I never thought about this because I have never used macbooks... makes sense though if you know what you are doing and have the tools to do it. I honestly have no idea, honestly all of them will probably be within 1-2 celsius of each other so it doesn't matter which you go. I'd recommend use the mx-5, not sure why you bought so many if you don't intend to test them all
 

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I have 3 desktops in the house, and I build a bunch of my buddies as they are getting to a couple of years old so I will use the paste for that, no paste wasted! I'll do some more tests with other pastes shortly as my work laptop loves to run warm with me jumping from meeting to meeting while running code and doing data things. so im sure if mx-5 does pump out it will become obvious pretty quickly.
 

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I have 3 desktops in the house, and I build a bunch of my buddies as they are getting to a couple of years old so I will use the paste for that, no paste wasted! I'll do some more tests with other pastes shortly as my work laptop loves to run warm with me jumping from meeting to meeting while running code and doing data things. so im sure if mx-5 does pump out it will become obvious pretty quickly.

I'd use mx-5 for macbook, and syy 157 for gaming desktop. again. it doesn't matter though probably.
 
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I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme, the nice pink bubblegum stuff, seems it's working fine though. :D
 
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I have 3 desktops in the house, and I build a bunch of my buddies as they are getting to a couple of years old so I will use the paste for that, no paste wasted! I'll do some more tests with other pastes shortly as my work laptop loves to run warm with me jumping from meeting to meeting while running code and doing data things. so im sure if mx-5 does pump out it will become obvious pretty quickly.

The DOWSIL TC-5026 data (referenced in the post above) needed about 9000 cycles before things stop changing; took them 9 weeks using 10 min cycles
 

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First of all, you are conducting your experiment at room temperature. That is not the typical operating environment of a CPU.
When you start out with things like this, you immediately disqualify anything that follows. PC's, the VAST majority of the time, are operating at "room" temps. And for the record, oil "seperation" doesn't happen until well above 150C for most substances that would be used in a PC/technology application. It's a chemistry thing.

For information only. The akasa ak-t565 is a good product, a click above the other that i tried. It pump out a little in a rx580 gpu. It can do 3d mark stress test at 75 celsiou without throttling and fan at 60%.
Now i try the akasa AK-TC5026 that is the same product with dowsil tc-5026. Now first day it can do 3d mark stress test at 75 celsiou and fan at 42%.

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That looks interesting. Would you have a link for that screenshot?
 
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When you start out with things like this, you immediately disqualify anything that follows. PC's, the VAST majority of the time, are operating at "room" temps.
Not to start an argument, but I would recommend rereading that. It spreads well at 72 degrees, but a product with *potential* separation issues *may* not see this issue until the paste (not the room) experiences higher temperatures.
 
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Interesting.
Not to start an argument, but I would recommend rereading that. It spreads well at 72 degrees, but a product with *potential* separation issues *may* not see this issue until the paste (not the room) experiences higher temperatures.
No CPU is ever going to get hot enough to cause "oil separation" for a properly engineered TIM, or even some of the cheap stuff. It just doesn't happen like that.

(no idea what to do with 1kg TIM though...) :laugh:
Right? I don't think I've used that much TIM collectively over the space of my career/life.
 
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So, decided to skip leg day as everyone else does and tore the MacBook apart. The sustained temperature for the idle is about the same as aged TFX. however playing back some 4k footage, last night I was hitting 100 almost instantly. after mx-5 im hitting 81. So far at least 20 degrees difference in bursty workflow. Let's see how long this will take to pump out. Also, i don't know what to do with 1kg of paste. I got like 50Gs and am already giving some away to homies to use.

So far it looks like mx-5 performs on par with fresh TFX within margin of error. 1 degree. Let's see if it lasts.
 
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Anyone going to compare the $10 (3.5g) TC-5026 to MX-5?

TC-5026 seems cheaper
 
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No CPU is ever going to get hot enough to cause "oil separation" for a properly engineered TIM, or even some of the cheap stuff.
Absolutely! There just seems to be concern that the production is not always up to engineering spec, that's all.
 
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When you start out with things like this, you immediately disqualify anything that follows. PC's, the VAST majority of the time, are operating at "room" temps.
You don't get it, do you?

When the thermal paste is applied on a cold CPU, yes, both are at room temperature. Within seconds of turning on the computer, the CPU is already above room temperature. That heat transfers to the IHS as well as the exterior thermal solution (pad, grease, heatsink, waterblock, maybe a combination of many).

Arctic MX-5 does not remain at room temperature on a CPU in operation.

Go ahead and fire up a typical contemporary desktop PC with a bare CPU. I bet you the computer tries to shut itself down in a minute or two. And please feel free to touch the bare CPU just before it does. Leave your finger on there for a few seconds. I'm sure the sensation will be one that you richly deserve.

Then take your finger off the CPU and use it to operate a laser thermometer. Point it at the ready-to-shutdown CPU and measure the temperature. That would be the temperature of a thermal grease applied to that surface.

And for the record, oil "seperation" doesn't happen until well above 150C for most substances that would be used in a PC/technology application. It's a chemistry thing.
Unfortunately, Arctic selected an oil for MX-5 that does separate below 150C. I'm sure they didn't mean to but the crux of the problem is they did. Arctic admitted it themselves and they deliberately put the product into EOL status.

I didn't tell Arctic they made a bad product. They told us they made a bad product.

And it was probably mostly a financial decision. What is a tube of MX-5 at retail? About $8? What are COGS? Let's say $5. So Arctic has a gross margin of $3 per tube (let's remove wholesale distribution out of the equation). But every time there's an MX-5 RMA, the administrative cost (replacement product, staff salaries, shipping and logistics) to send out a replacement tube is probably around $18-20. So all of a sudden, Arctic needs to sell 6-7 more tubes of MX-5 to cover the expense of just one RMA.

Arctic probably has a good idea of the failure rate of MX-5 now based on more extended testing in their own labs and their RMA volume. Continuing to sell MX-5 likely pointed to continued expense and headaches for Arctic so they killed it off. Themselves.

The fact that you have not seen problems with your own tubes of MX-5 is irrelevant. Arctic acknowledged the problem and decided that killing of their own product was the best way to handle it.

Unfortunately Chomiq's test was useless. I can spread a paste with oil in it at room temperature and not see any oil separation. But if that paste changes temperatures, it can change and sometimes this leads to oil separation. If you ever spend any time in the kitchen, you'd know this.

Chomiq could have spread peanut butter, Nutella or mayonnaise on the CPU and not see fat separation. Great. That doesn't mean fat separation can't occur at a different temperature.

Could we expect to see oil separation from a CPU in operation using Nutella as thermal grease? I'm sure most people here would probably say yes. Could we expect to see it from a CPU using MX-5 as thermal grease? Most people at the start of this thread (March 2021) would have said no, but over time, more and more people did. In fact, so did Arctic eventually.

Maybe you're frustrated that Arctic killed off a thermal grease that you liked. Well Arctic liked it too (and the revenue it generated) until the RMAs started piling up.

Ultimately Arctic did the right thing: take a defective product off the market.

My guess is some day Arctic will launch MX-6 but I bet they will test for oil separation very, Very, VERY thoroughly before they do.
 
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Wow, MX-5 is truly an astounding product! Pumped out literally in hours. I'm already back to 95C. I think SYY is the next one I'm going to try today or tomorrow.
 

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Wow, MX-5 is truly an astounding product! Pumped out literally in hours. I'm already back to 95C. I think SYY is the next one I'm going to try today or tomorrow.
Impressive..

I am surprised with your TFX results.. SYY should work well. Dont plant the cooler on right away, let it sit for a few minutes and then mount it. It is pretty decent stuff, I thought TFX was pretty good, better than SYY.. but not by much.. especially for the price.
 
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I’m surprised with TFX as well. I guess SYY is the next one and if that fails I’ll try tf8. Will let it sit. Instructions say 15 min so gonna follow it perfectly.
 
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