Epic Games Gives Mesmerizing Look at Unreal Engine 5 Running Real Time on PlayStation 5

[Pumper]

And how do you know that it dropped below 60FPS (to 30FPS) or what was the actual FPS in that demo?

Because Epic said so?
It did not drop "below 60fps", it was locked at 30 with dynamic resolution to keep it stable.

 

[ratirt]

Because Epic said so?
It did not drop "below 60fps", it was locked at 30 with dynamic resolution to keep it stable.

Well I must have missed that info somehow.

 

[Vayra86]

Except it's not, you seem to like delusional thinking...

If you are in the 0.001% who own a 2080Ti you are likely to be fine, but for anyoen else, these consoles are on par.


Yes if you are an idiot that bought it for gaming, i never said it could not game, it is just objectively shit for that task and a waste of silicon.

The consoles will offer high end performance by the time they are released. This is good. But its much more than 0.001% that will be having a faster PC. 3-5% would be more accurate.
Did you think Navi 21 and/or RDNA2 in the new consoles will be approaching 2080ti performance? And even if so, did you think the ceiling would remain at that?
As for TR... it rivals a 9900K in gaming and people do use PCs for more than just gaming, after all, if they didn't, they'd buy that PS5

The market is diverse...

I get it, you're excited and this is a returning thing with a new console gen. The hype train must get rolling and this demo succeeds at that. But the real message in my first post here was... 'Get it in game'.

Seeing is believing, until then, these are all empty promises.

And how do you know that it dropped below 60FPS (to 30FPS) or what was the actual FPS in that demo? I don't see any number given for the FPS and what was the actual FPS in that demo but if you have a concrete info about this please share. and please, don't tell me it's because you think it dropped below 60 or that is your opinion. 1440p most of the time? That means what? it was 1080p some other time or 720p or maybe it went up to 4k at some point?

Demo was very clearly 30FPS. But maybe you need a high refresh panel to see that, I don't know, but if I view 30 FPS content on a 120hz panel, its like someone is clicking through powerpoint very quickly

 

[ratirt]

Demo was very clearly 30FPS.

I watched it a bit on a phone but I focused on the details and lightning. Wonder what FPS the video was recorded at.

 

[Vayra86]

I watched it a bit on a phone but I focused on the details and lightning. Wonder what FPS the video was recorded at.

60 or there is some interpolation going on. You can see this when the scenes move. It looks almost like 60 to the untrained eye.

My concern would be to have this in game would require too great of an investment in art assets.

Re the below pic for example, I simultaneously thought how awesome it would be to encounter this in game -- particularly if the sound work was just as good to provide a proper, in-person sort of feel -- but then also considered how perhaps unrealistic it would be to expect this level of craftsmanship throughout the game.

It's interesting to me how the more realistic human depictions are in game, the more ... meh they feel to me rather than being some abstract, in game, larger-than-life character.

This game character, for example, feels like the kind of girl I'd sit next to in uni for some poli sci elective or some such.

They have that covered... art assets are just going to evolve to imported models. Why model within the engine when you can just generate it from pictures? The only reason we did that, and then applied (photographed, often) textures on those models is because it offered greater efficiency/performance; lower polygon counts allowed more objects in the scene. That limitation is being worked on here.

 

[ARF]

Threadripper is shit for gaming.

Except when it is the fastest AMD CPU for gaming:

AMD Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X processor review

Today we're reviewing a series of quad-core processors as released by AMD. The Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X that we test bring is back a few years in time, where quad-cores were the norm. These, however... Performance - dGPU - Game performance 720p

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A terrible console port in years past would be the answer to this in general. Far as the PS5 goes however apparently the storage in it is really fast and high end, but largely hype at the same time because NVMe for PCIe 4.0 is quite fast as well and I'm sure the PS5 is utilizing it being Ryzen based. Really anything PCIE 4.0 based should be capable of the same with the right storage setup. Additionally you've got a ramdisk and primo cache and like StoreMi that should exceed those levels. I think part of this is also to do with the fact AMD's GPU's are capable of HBCC and with these new storage systems that's a really big deal apparently.

The point is the lack of any loading times. Have you got NO loading times in games on PC ?

 

[theonek]

well it will be nice to implement this engine in next tomb raider/uncharted games.... or remaster the old ones with it.... only nobody knows what hardware we will need to run it propertly....

 

[Rahnak]

I wish people would just get consoles and PCs aren't directly competing and stop all the nonsensical fighting.

As for the demo, it looks amazing, but UE5 is only coming out next year. It's gonna be a good couple of years before you see any games really taking advantage of it (and they never quite get on tech demo levels).

Demo was very clearly 30FPS. But maybe you need a high refresh panel to see that, I don't know, but if I view 30 FPS content on a 120hz panel, its like someone is clicking through powerpoint very quickly

I don't know whether I should be happy or sad that I couldn't tell that at all.

 

[Vya Domus]

I wish people would just get consoles and PCs aren't directly competing and stop all the nonsensical fighting.

It's not like it actually matters.

 

[ARF]

well it will be nice to implement this engine in next tomb raider/uncharted games.... or remaster the old ones with it.... only nobody knows what hardware we will need to run it propertly....

It is run on PlayStation 5 right now.

As for the demo, it looks amazing, but UE5 is only coming out next year. It's gonna be a good couple of years before you see any games really taking advantage of it (and they never quite get on tech demo levels).

They can make Unreal Tournament right now if they wish.

 

[Vayra86]

I wish people would just get consoles and PCs aren't directly competing and stop all the nonsensical fighting.

As for the demo, it looks amazing, but UE5 is only coming out next year. It's gonna be a good couple of years before you see any games really taking advantage of it (and they never quite get on tech demo levels).


I don't know whether I should be happy or sad that I couldn't tell that at all.

Consoles and PCs do compete, its just a very weird symbiotic relationship really. Maybe its like marriage. They need each other, but they can't stand each other.

 

[londiste]

And how do you know that it dropped below 60FPS (to 30FPS) or what was the actual FPS in that demo? I don't see any number given for the FPS and what was the actual FPS in that demo but if you have a concrete info about this please share.

Even with the video being what it is you can clearly see frame rate stutters and stutters to below 30fps.

The point is the lack of any loading times. Have you got NO loading times in games on PC ?

The tech they are hyping is not about loading times. It is about asset streaming during gameplay. This is likely to be not very significant compared to PC but is very significant compared to PS4/XB1 (and PS4Pro/XBX) with the drives and interfaces these were using.

As for the demo, it looks amazing, but UE5 is only coming out next year. It's gonna be a good couple of years before you see any games really taking advantage of it (and they never quite get on tech demo levels).

They said most or all of what is shown is already there in current UE 4.25. UE5 is Epic taking advantage of a nice marketing opportunity to tie it together with PS5 and next-gen.

My concern would be to have this in game would require too great of an investment in art assets.

There is already an industry creating assets for games (among other uses for the same assets). I bet lower-budget games will just use more and more bought assets.

So no mention of Ray tracing? Is that DOA tech now then?

When they say Lumen, they mean their lighting engine that incorporates all the different tech in lighting area. Pretty sure most of the impressive-looking lighting in the demo is raytraced. GI and shadows definitely.

I think that future graphics cards will evolve around their ray-tracing performance since all cards starting from RDNA2 will be able to do the "Nanite virtualized micropolygon geometry" or so small "triangles" so that we call it infinite detail.

They are not very clear on what their Nanite tech actually is or does. It does not have much to do with raytracing. From what they said I would assume it largely does automatic LOD management, transitions and streaming.

 

[Decryptor009]

PC

Except when it is the fastest AMD CPU for gaming:

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AMD Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X processor review

Today we're reviewing a series of quad-core processors as released by AMD. The Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X that we test bring is back a few years in time, where quad-cores were the norm. These, however... Performance - dGPU - Game performance 720p

www.guru3d.com

The point is the lack of any loading times. Have you got NO loading times in games on PC ?

You still don't get it, you are just defending the platform you game on.

All those cores are going to waste, it's shit for gaming, check out that price.

If only brains were used first.



It is usually those who own a outdated PC that defend it the hardest though as they lack knowledge of how visuals do look on PC compared to what was shown.

Why do you keep talking about 2080Tis when Epic already said that a 2070S runs the demo with "Pretty Good Performance".

And what are you talking about when you say that "these consoles are on par"? They are not even out yet, and if the rumors of RTX3000 are true, by the time they are released a 3060 will beat them at everything.

I said it is up there with PC... everyone get's a stick in their ass because it hurts them somehow.

The consoles will offer high end performance by the time they are released. This is good. But its much more than 0.001% that will be having a faster PC. 3-5% would be more accurate.
Did you think Navi 21 and/or RDNA2 in the new consoles will be approaching 2080ti performance? And even if so, did you think the ceiling would remain at that?
As for TR... it rivals a 9900K in gaming and people do use PCs for more than just gaming, after all, if they didn't, they'd buy that PS5

The market is diverse...

I get it, you're excited and this is a returning thing with a new console gen. The hype train must get rolling and this demo succeeds at that. But the real message in my first post here was... 'Get it in game'.

Seeing is believing, until then, these are all empty promises.



Demo was very clearly 30FPS. But maybe you need a high refresh panel to see that, I don't know, but if I view 30 FPS content on a 120hz panel, its like someone is clicking through powerpoint very quickly

Compared to the last bunch of consoles these are worthy machines, it's not hype, we are not going to get a drastically improved game on PC.

Consumers can spend their own money within the law. Who are you to dictate another person's spending habits?

Go back to gamespot. Clearly have reading deficiencies.

 

[londiste]

In terms of hardware, both PS5 and XBX are roughly 3700X with 5700XT plus RT hardware. And a really nice fast NVMe SSD.

Edit:
Close enough

 

[Decryptor009]

In terms of hardware, both PS5 and XBX are roughly 3700X with 5700XT plus RT hardware. And a really nice fast NVMe SSD.

I am not sure where you are getting that information from because the XBX clearly has more of everything vs a 5700-XT.

AMD Xbox Series X GPU Specs

AMD Scarlett, 1825 MHz, 3328 Cores, 208 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 320 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Mescalamba]

Its similar stuff thats used to render Mandalorian.

End game engine doesnt mean games will look this good. Why? Well cause incompetent companies making games. Thats why.

UE is for years one of top engines, but very few actually can use it right. Not Epics fault that they cant.

 

[ratirt]

Even with the video being what it is you can clearly see frame rate stutters and stutters to below 30fps.

Well, I couldn't. crappy phone with a smallest screen I've ever seen (nowadays I mean). Besides, I wasn't looking at the FPS since that is not what this video is about.

 

[ARF]

PC

You still don't get it, you are just defending the platform you game on.

All those cores are going to waste, it's shit for gaming, check out that price.

The price is fine for all the things you get. You can game, stream and heavy-multi-thread in the same time. Try this with your 6-core

No console will be able to get even close to computers specs.

 

[Decryptor009]

The price is fine for all the things you get. You can game, stream and heavy-multi-thread in the same time. Try this with your 6-core

No console will be able to get even close to computers specs.

Ok.

Over 100FPS AT 4k.

Over 100FPS running a pure CPU stream.

Suck it up, these consoles shame you and you can't take it, they are great for consumers and gamers alike, not the tiny 0.001% who think having 64 cores for games that max on 12 threads is worth over £2000 for the CPU alone.

 

[ARF]

Suck it up, these consoles shame you and you can't take it, they are great for consumers and gamers alike, not the tiny 0.001% who think having 64 cores for games that max on 12 threads is worth over £2000 for the CPU alone.

There are many Threadrippers starting from 8-core and up

 

[Decryptor009]

There are many Threadrippers starting from 8-core and up

If you like using first gen Ryzen yes, which is far slower than the CPU in the consoles.

 

[Vayra86]

Compared to the last bunch of consoles these are worthy machines, it's not hype, we are not going to get a drastically improved game on PC.

Rewind to the PS3 launch, and we can find copies of your statement, but we know better now

All I read here is an echo of marketing 'This time, everything will be different'.

No, it is just yet another iteration and a generational leap. It is in fact the leap we might have been looking for since the PS4 launch but never materialized.

 

[Decryptor009]

Rewind to the PS3 launch, and we can find copies of your statement, but we know better now

Except it ran with a cut down GeForce GPU and a decidely brave yet stupid choice of a IBM CPU.

No matter how you slice it, these machines are up there with PC and will be for a decent amount of time, we all know hardware will get faster, that never changes, but these are worthy consoles.


"The leap we wanted since PS4 launch"

In terms of then yes, but now is now.

 

[Vayra86]

Except it ran with a cut down GeForce GPU and a decidely brave yet stupid choice of a IBM CPU.

No matter how you slice it, these machines are up there with PC and will be for a decent amount of time, we all know hardware will get faster, that never changes, but these are worthy consoles.

And yet, the first disclaimers are already flying across the headlines. 4K60 is already evidently out the window. 1440p upscaled seems to become a norm. Should I continue? The last gen was a 1080p capable machine.... reality, most titles had to be reduced to 900p30 native, 1080p30 best case. And that is with a box of tricks applied.

 

[Decryptor009]

And yet, the first disclaimers are already flying across the headlines. 4K60 is already evidently out the window. 1440p upscaled seems to become a norm. Should I continue?

That is down to the developers what they prioritize, hardware wise, these machines have no reason to be skimping.