Fallout 4, 9700k @ 5.1 Ghz., 32 GiB DDR4000: only a slight FPS diff. between 1080ti and 4090!

[Klemc]

Gen 9 and 4000 don't match

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[freeagent]

9700K is a fairly weak CPU these days, no?

I have never run one, so I don't know for sure..

 

[ThrashZone]

9700K is a fairly weak CPU these days, no?

I have never run one, so I don't know for sure..

Hi,
No it's good 16 thread 5.0 all core easily
Oops nope I was thinking of the 9900k

 

[3x0]

Hi,
No it's good 16 thread 5.0 all core easily

8 threads

 

[ThrashZone]

8 threads

8 cores.

 

[tussinman]

9700K is a fairly weak CPU these days, no?

I have never run one, so I don't know for sure..

Despite its age (and power consumption) it's actually still pretty good in terms of actual real-world performance

His setup (DDR4 4000 and 9700K at 5.1ghz) is probably on par gaming wise with an i5 12400

 

[oxrufiioxo]

8 cores.

It doesn't have 16 threads

Despite its age (and power consumption) it's actually still pretty good in terms of actual real-world performance

His setup (DDR4 4000 and 9700K at 5.1ghz) is probably on par gaming wise with an i5 12400

I started having issues with my 9900k in games ages ago also 4000CL15 memory that was back with a 2080ti can't even imagine what using a 4090 would be like with it.

It's not a bad cpu it's just not the best fit with a 4090 even a 13900K limits it in a lot of games below 4k.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Oops I was thinking of the 9900k my bad

 

[junglist724]

Fallout 4 is one of the most CPU and memory bandwidth limited games in existence. I'm still CPU limited on a 13900K and 4090.

CPU usage % is not a good indicator of a CPU bottleneck. Usage % just indicates that your CPU is doing something for X% of cycles, not that it's doing all the CPU is capable of every cycle or if it's stalling somewhere along the pipeline. You could also be stalling on a certain type of instruction, stalling due to cache/memory latency or bandwidth, etc.

Intel vtune profiler can give an idea of what's causing a CPU/Memory bottleneck.

 

[80251]

Gen 9 and 4000 don't match

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But who in their right mind would run a 9700k at 3.6Ghz.?

 

[Klemc]

From 50% (4k) to 75% (FHD) bottleneck, that's all i read... if you overclock IDK what's the gain.

 

[JalleR]

I didnt get home until 23 (11 pm) last night, but i will test today

all core 5,2Ghz 12900k gets 67FPS with the same settings @ Bunker hill, GPU is @ 25%load ish

BTW not totally the same settings i the closest res i could select was 2560x1440

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I didnt get home until 23 (11 pm) last night, but i will test today

all core 5,2Ghz 12900k gets 67FPS with the same settings @ Bunker hill, GPU is @ 25%load ish

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BTW not totally the same settings i the closest res i could select was 2560x1440

I ran around in both Fallout 4 and GTA5 out of curiosity man they are both Janky AF in GTA5 I sat around 180fps at 4k most of the time with dips in the 120FPS range in Fallout 4 The majority of time it sits at 120fps but with drops all the way down into the 70fps range randomly also at 4k and both games I don't get 100% gpu utilization in Fallout it's like 30-40% lol.

Maybe it's because I've been playing a lot of CP2077 overdrive but man both games are ugly AF

 

[Dr. Dro]

The Creation engine (used in Skyrim and Fallout 4/76) overloads the graphics driver with draw calls, and these games were designed to run at 60 fps, not more, not less. 76 is more tolerant, it will run more or less OK up to 150 fps or so, but bugs will still occur. There are scenes in modded Fallout 4 where your GPU can be demanded of over one million draw calls per frame, and there's no CPU on god's green earth that will handle that.

You should set iPresentInterval=0 in Fallout4.ini, and use MSI Afterburner or the NVIDIA control panel to limit the game at 60 fps - not more, not less. Also make sure that combined meshes option is set to 1 in the ini, although, some mods need this to be disabled. If this is the case, then there is not much you can do. Have you tried using dxvk with it? It might help alleviate it a bit. I haven't played 4 in a minute, so I never tried it with DXVK.

 

[JalleR]

yes same here 120 to 180 fps but that is at 3440x1440

2 Core @ MAX load

at the country side in Fallout 4 I saw up to 95 ish FPS so higher is possible, but as soon as ther was some buildings the fps went down

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

9700K is a fairly weak CPU these days, no?

I have never run one, so I don't know for sure..

9700k shouldnt have issues. Both the games OP mentioned (GTA V and fallout 4) were built to run on jaguar cores. 9700k is more then capable of running both 100FPS+

I ran around in both Fallout 4 and GTA5 out of curiosity man they are both Janky AF in GTA5 I sat around 180fps at 4k most of the time with dips in the 120FPS range in Fallout 4 The majority of time it sits at 120fps but with drops all the way down into the 70fps range randomly also at 4k and both games I don't get 100% gpu utilization in Fallout it's like 30-40% lol.

Maybe it's because I've been playing a lot of CP2077 overdrive but man both games are ugly AF

Well GTA V's assets were designed for the PS3. It's a bit of a different animal, although ugly is going a bit far.

Fallout 4 is running on the same engine that ran morrowind. in 2001. The fact it can even run at 1080p is outstanding.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well GTA V's assets were designed for the PS3. It's a bit of a different animal, although ugly is going a bit far.

Fallout 4 is running on the same engine that ran morrowind. in 2001. The fact it can even run at 1080p is outstanding.

It's been like 5 years since I booted either I just remembered GTA5 looking better even though it's basically the same engine RDR2 looks stupidly better.


Fallout cracks me up because it came out around the same time as Witcher 3 and looks so much worse even prior to the recent next gen upgrade.

 

[80251]

I did some research on the Fallout 4 issue, here's something I came up with:

Fallout 4 is a game that responds to faster memory, going from DDR4-3000 to DDR4-4000 nets you a 20% gain in minimum FPS @ 1440:
https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

It's been like 5 years since I booted either I just remembered GTA5 looking better even though it's basically the same engine RDR2 looks stupidly better.

RDR2 was developed with the xbone as the base.

GTA V was developed with PS3 as the base.

Fallout cracks me up because it came out around the same time as Witcher 3 and looks so much worse even prior to the recent next gen upgrade.

Fallout has looked jank for awhile. Even 3/new vegas looked jank compared to games of the era.

Starfield s gonna be a trip.

 

[dirtyferret]

9700K is a fairly weak CPU these days, no?

I have never run one, so I don't know for sure..

ran one for a while (good old 2019) including fallout 4, was a great CPU especially if OC a little. If you wanted to compare to something more modern, Toms hardware has it in the same ballpark as a Ryzen 5700G

8 cores.

yet outperforming many 12 thread CPUs in multi core performance back in the day

 

[liquidplasma]

That's exactly where I'm getting this issue. I'm on top of the skyscraper where you save somebody from supermutants looking down, it's a lagfest alright. Could it have anything to do with system memory speed? If Fallout 4 was designed for the consoles that have superfast GDDR5 maybe that could explain the lagfest? Because the CPU isn't getting anywhere near 100% utilization on any core.

that is normal yes, I had shit performance on this on my old x3470, I had shit performance on my old 3500x and now I STILL have shit performance in boston downtown with my 5600; you can't simply brute force shit programming with overpriced hardware

 

[wNotyarD]

A 4090 has so much grunt that any CPU which isn't Ryzen 5800X3D/7000 or Intel 12th and 13th holds it back severely.

 

[P4-630]

A 9700K is just 8-core 8-threads only.

 

[80251]

It would be interesting to see if someone with a DDR5 system could try underclocking their RAM and see what kind of performance decline they experience in Fallout4 in the downtown Boston area.

 

[eidairaman1]

1080ti (2152/5670 @ 1.2V Vcore)
52-53 FPS looking down on city from skyscraper, 71-74% GPU load initially (yet increasing over time), one CPU core had higher usage than the rest, but none were pegged.

Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC at stock
56 FPS and 26% GPU load at same exact spot as above

How is this possible?

Remove and install fresh mobo and gpu drivers