Fan suggestion X1950XT

[x800professor]

You're entitled to your own opinion mate . If you want to see a direct comparison between the Zalman VF900-CU and the AC Accellero X2, then look at the review, then judge from there:
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/articles/show/graphics_cooler_roundup/

As for compatibility, the Zalman fits on my X1950 pro just fine

The Zalman won...while raising CPU temps. However, my airflow is probably not far behind anyone's so I don't think my CPU temps would be upped by much. Now, X2 owners, do me a favor. How far beyond the edge of the card does that fan stick out? I don't have much room because I have a 25cm fan on the side of my case that I don't want to lose.

Oh yeah, and it's a tie again. Are we going to have to bring in the supreme court for this one?

 

[tkpenalty]

Not much, like maybe 4~3 CM, the Zalman only wins marginally for the Core cooling but is absolute shit when it comes to cooling the memory; the hot exaust pushed by the Zalman fan heats up the memory sometimes.

 

[tkpenalty]

You're entitled to your own opinion mate . If you want to see a direct comparison between the Zalman VF900-CU and the AC Accellero X2, then look at the review, then judge from there:
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/articles/show/graphics_cooler_roundup/

As for compatibility, the Zalman fits on my X1950 pro just fine

>_> Yes, and you will be finding that your memory modules have no increase in cooling.

 

[KennyT772]

i just purchased the vf900cu and and an 8 pack of these -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835119061
these ramsinks are friggin humongous compared to the tiny little zalman ones but i had one fall off while my card was running. so if you get those let it sit for a night and setup. my temps are the same as the stock cooler at 71% fanspeed...aka jet taking off. it is a good cooler though.

 

[AshenSugar]

>_> Yes, and you will be finding that your memory modules have no increase in cooling.

um i gotta call bullshit on this, the airflow from the fan blowing over the ramsinks cools the ram quite well, and i have yet to see it raise ram temps, because the heat comming off the cooler/core is lower then the temp of your ddr3 is stock.

your x2 also shares core heat with the ram, look at the design, heat leaches back from the core and VRM's and everything else back into the ram, all heat is SHARED between the parts in the end because its 1 heatsink not multi sinks, the zlaman blows warm air over the whole card when under HEAVY load, but not hot air, and it lowers VRM temps quite alot, if it was raising ram temp it would raise VRM temp as well since the same air going over the ram is going over the VRM's

i guarntee if the cores cooler then the ram and vrm's are cooler as well

 

[lufrey]

your x2 also shares core heat with the ram, look at the design, heat leaches back from the core and VRM's and everything else back into the ram, all heat is SHARED between the parts in the end because its 1 heatsink not multi sinks, the zlaman blows warm air over the whole card when under HEAVY load, but not hot air, and it lowers VRM temps quite alot, if it was raising ram temp it would raise VRM temp as well since the same air going over the ram is going over the VRM's

i guarntee if the cores cooler then the ram and vrm's are cooler as well

I agree 100%

 

[pt]

there isn't the hr-03 on that list

 

[lufrey]

there isn't the hr-03 on that list

The HR-03 is a great unit with fantastic performance, and can be used in SLI. Too big for me though, i'm in the process of changing to a slimline HTPC case and it is just a bit too big.

 

[pt]

The HR-03 is a great unit with fantastic performance, and can be used in SLI. Too big for me though, i'm in the process of changing to a slimline HTPC case and it is just a bit too big.

k, then, wich is the case?

 

[lufrey]

k, then, wich is the case?

My new case will be the cooler master CM Media 260, I want something slim to fit in the hifi cabinet.

 

[AshenSugar]

u can check the full review of the vf900 here
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/zalman_vf900-cu/

 

[pt]

how are you going to put a x1950xt in there???

 

[lufrey]

how are you going to put a x1950xt in there???

Actually it's an x1950 pro, and it does just fit, the PCI-E riser card that you have to purchase separately allows you to horizontally mount the card. My only problem is that I had to install a custom fan with ducting to suck the hot air out from the video card area. Apart from that, it matches the hifi quite well.

 

[Ketxxx]

I like that one too, but it says X1900, not X1950 for the one one newegg. Any newer versions out there or does this one actually support X1950 series cards? Then again, I wonder if the X1950XT has the same cooling setup as the XTX. It looks like a cooler from an X1900 card...

I'd be very surprised if ati had to move the hsf mounting holes in any shape or form. So it should all be fine.

 

[Zubasa]

I'd be very surprised if ati had to move the hsf mounting holes in any shape or form. So it should all be fine.

Yup, the mounting holes on X1800, X1900, and X1950 series are standardized.
The PCB design are also 80% the same. (Even the X1950Pro has a different core, the design is still developed from the X1900 series)

 

[x800professor]

u can check the full review of the vf900 here
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/zalman_vf900-cu/

The reviews are even mixed...this one says that it doesn't really do a whole lot to the temps on the card while the other one shows much difference. Yay for more confusion.

 

[AshenSugar]

dosnt do a whole lot compared to the stock cooler at 100% fan(VERY LOUD) but gives same perf as stock at 100% with the fan set at 60%, stock coolers good if you can stand the noise!!!

 

[tkpenalty]

Lets put it this way, the Zalman is very ambient based so if you wanted to run the PC silent, you will find the temperatures are f***ed. The reviews where the VF900CU won were usually not installed in the PC. With the AccceleroX2, its similar but you will find more consistent results. I just got to comment, if you want clutter, get the VF900CU.

Overall, the VF900 CU will blow hot air onto the PCB, and the heat will accumulate on the PCB (Convection sucks!). I seriously think the VF900 CU is overpriced though, costing much more than the CNPS 7700CU.

AcceleroX2 is waaay cheaper and lighter. I have to say, Do you guys realise why there are lower temperatures on the core? Thats because there is more heat being removed, with the heat being removed convection occurs, the air doesn "blow to the side", it BLOWS DOWN!!!. The hot air then accumulates.

Okay its just a picture, do we trust it NO.

Meanwhile... another battle in another galaxy...between the two titans..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93803

 

[tkpenalty]

Just so you guys get a re-ed not to read from those propaganda bastards:

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=743&pid=2929

Most of you guys aren't reading from the right sources, usually from those people who post advertising crap everywhere, compare the temps between the stock and AcceleroX2.. notice anything?

Compare the results to that picture even if they are different.

If you haven't realised this is how cool the AcceleroX2 runs-on an X1800
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ArcticCooling/AcceleroX2/5

Yes, from a trusted source, props to W1ZZARD.

I don't understand how you guys would think a breeze of 35*C air would kill the motherboard. If the GPU was facing up towards the CPU I would complain.

On that forum, keep reading.


OFF TOPIC:

Btw whoever thinks the HIS IceQ coolers will work better seriously need a re-ed, physics 101 mate, heat rises! It doesn't fall unless forced with a noisy fan! Even if it "Exausts heat in to the rear of the case" Consider how little air is being moved! If it was a blower-type fan they would heed better results. But no... heat is initially trapped and escapes through slowly, due to the weak fan's output. The Accelero/Zalman design ensures there is more dissipation area. If you wanted something of equivalence, you would need a three-slot cooling solution which doesnt exist.

 

[AshenSugar]

Lets put it this way, the Zalman is very ambient based so if you wanted to run the PC silent, you will find the temperatures are f***ed. The reviews where the VF900CU won were usually not installed in the PC. With the AccceleroX2, its similar but you will find more consistent results. I just got to comment, if you want clutter, get the VF900CU.

Overall, the VF900 CU will blow hot air onto the PCB, and the heat will accumulate on the PCB (Convection sucks!). I seriously think the VF900 CU is overpriced though, costing much more than the CNPS 7700CU.

AcceleroX2 is waaay cheaper and lighter. I have to say, Do you guys realise why there are lower temperatures on the core? Thats because there is more heat being removed, with the heat being removed convection occurs, the air doesn "blow to the side", it BLOWS DOWN!!!. The hot air then accumulates.

Okay its just a picture, do we trust it NO.

Meanwhile... another battle in another galaxy...between the two titans..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93803

first your correct, vf900 will raise board temps a bit, not even close to as much as a cooler that blows the hot air down onto the card, and the vf900 blows the air UP and OUT away from the card/core, with decent caseairflow the heats moved out the back of the case VERY FAST and dosnt acumulate on the board as it will with a cooler that blows all the heat dirrectly onto the board.

VF900 vs Accelero X2
For those people considering the purchase of the most recent aftermarket
coolers for their VGA cards, here is a comparison article I found, plotting the

VF900 vs VF700 vs Accelero X2 vs ATi stock
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=743

Summary:
VF900 is overall the best product, with best cooling abilities
and the least amount of sound in low fan setting, and still
lower amount of noise produced in comparison to the stock
cooler at its highest settings.

Accelero is a dissapointment accept the noise level production.
It is moderately quiet (quieter then VF900 in highest fan setting
but not low fan setting VF900) However, the performance is
on par with the old VF700.

VF700 on the other hand, dissapoints with its highest fan
setting creating as much if not more noise then the stock
cooler! But is the cheapest

IMHO,
VF900 > VF700 > Accelero
considering price, performance, versatility and pricing.

your own battle says the vf900 is better

 

[tkpenalty]

first your correct, vf900 will raise board temps a bit, not even close to as much as a cooler that blows the hot air down onto the card, and the vf900 blows the air UP and OUT away from the card/core, with decent caseairflow the heats moved out the back of the case VERY FAST and dosnt acumulate on the board as it will with a cooler that blows all the heat dirrectly onto the board.



your own battle says the vf900 is better

read on, the last four pages are about people bitching about how poor the VF900's cooling capability is.

 

[tkpenalty]

Holy crap just got an X2 and its absolutely amazing! i used RHTBL full screen 1650*1050 16 multisample to measure the temps, which will heat up my card MUCH MORE than any other program possibly can. Keep in mind I am using AS5 so I'll lose a few degrees overtime... Keep in mind I kept the stock fan at 50% at all times and the X2 fan at 100% and the stocvk was MUCH MUCH louder. Ambient was 24C during both test and the side of my case was open.

Idle

STOCK
GPU 46C
Voltage Reg 53C
Chipset(NF4 ultra-d) - 42C

X2
GPU 40C
Voltage Reg 58C
Chipset - 46C

Maximum load (rhtbl)

STOCK
GPU - 87C
Voltage Reg - 71C
Chipset - 45C

X2
GPU - 75C
Voltage reg - 82C
Chipset - 54C

After looking at my horrible voltage reg and chipset laod temps with the X2 I decided to add a 120mm 40CFM quiet fan I had lying around to blow right into the chipset and voltage reg area

X2 Plus 120mm 40CFM fan LOAD
GPU - 71C
Voltage reg - 69C (still really high!)
Chipset - 46C (much better)

The fan gave me very pleasant improvements and its virtually inaudible so I guess I m not going anywhere without that fan. Overall extremely impressed with this cooler and would recommend to anyone. To the people who do not know how much rhtbl heats up video cards just for comparison I played oblviion for an hour adn my max gpu temp was at 65C witht he X2 plus fan combo.

Yup. That says it all.

 

[AshenSugar]

a little more quoting form your thred

ell i'm going to put the 900cu on my cold running xtx. even at idle this thing seems noisy to me

edit: i jusp plugged the zalman in to hear what it sounds like. that review is completely misleading as far as noise goes.
the stock xtx cooler even on idle has a distinct and always audable rumble to it which seems to be common on these type of fans as well as fans like the old 80x80x25mm thermatlakes (only this ati is worse)

the zalman has a smoothe swishing sound to it which can be heard in the open near your head. at half speed or below it is inaudable over the idling stock xtx cooler. the stock cooler when at full - well we all know that can be heard from about two rooms away easily.

i would characterise the situation like this: the zalman creates no noise at idle and an audable 'white noise' at full. it seems most of the noise is created by moving air over the fins. a short of swiiiiiiisssssssssshhhhhhhhhh.
the ati cooler on the other hand sounds like a car idling a few meters away and like a revving motorbike around the corner at full.

they are not even anywhere near the same class.
i had to put the zalman right up to my ear before i could hear a slight whine from the motor.
this subjective test was conducted in the presence of an idling ati cooler so it was hard to hear what the zalman was really up to

screw this i'm installing the zalman now and i'll get back

open bench results:

stock ATI cooler
idle 52'
load 85' after 5minutes - i figured i'm not even comfortable gaming on this card at this temp and it was still rising

zalman vf900cu
slow idle 40'
slow load 70' these seemed to range between 68'-72' so i took an average
full idle 38'
full load 60'

ambient 26'

so there you have it. even on minimum the zalman is a far better cooler for the card.
the DFI chipset cooler is louder than the zalman on low and about equal when the zalman is on high.
this is with the dfi cooler idling.

the ATI cooler is not in the same legue noise wise or cooling performance wise.
i agree that this is a must have upgrade for all high end ATI cards.
especially for silence minded people.
actually i think most ppl would feel well satisfied with at least 15' drop in load temps

now to weight, i really think ur wrong but im checking x2 weight against vf900, the x2's i have installed are far larger then the vf900, more metel and plastic involved.

ok x2=5.64 shiping
vf900=4.99
working on finding the acctualy weight,

ok

Specifications

- Dimensions : 96(L) X 96(W) X 30(H)mm
- Weight : 185g
- Base Material : Pure Copper
- Bearing Type : 2-Ball
- Speed : 1,350 ~ 2,400rpm ± 10%
- Noise Level : 18.5 ~ 25.0dB ± 10%

Heat Sink: 152(L) x 90(W) x 30(H) mm
Fan: 141(L) x 120(W) x 28(H) mm
Overall Dimensions: 152(L) x 120(W) x 30(H) mm
Rated Fan Speed: 2000 RPM
Power Consumption: 0.13 Amp.
Air Flow: 9.82 CFM / 16.7 m3/h
Weight: 260 g
Noise Level: 0.4 Sone
Thermal Resistance: 0.39°C/Watt
Thermal Interface Material: Pre-applied MX-1 Paste
Warranty: 6 Years

gee that looks like ur x2 is HEAVYER lets see 260g>185g thats makes the x2 75g heavyer

you can admit your blowing smoke now if you like

as to your

Btw whoever thinks the HIS IceQ coolers will work better seriously need a re-ed, physics 101 mate, heat rises! It doesn't fall unless forced with a noisy fan! Even if it "Exausts heat in to the rear of the case" Consider how little air is being moved! If it was a blower-type fan they would heed better results. But no... heat is initially trapped and escapes through slowly, due to the weak fan's output. The Accelero/Zalman design ensures there is more dissipation area. If you wanted something of equivalence, you would need a three-slot cooling solution which doesnt exist.

his iceq cooler is made by AC, and it infact dose move a decent ammount of air, its just an evolution on the old scilencer using the same kind of fan that your vaunted x2 uses just using it to blow out the back of the case insted of down onto the mobo, also not that due to heat rising the heats going to get sucked back into the fan on the x2 as it trys to find a way around the videocard to escape from the case(not as bad if you take all your slot protectors out as i alwase do)

 

[lufrey]

Okay its just a picture, do we trust it NO.

Meanwhile... another battle in another galaxy...between the two titans..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93803

Yes, it is a picture, and I got it from sudihan: http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/articles/show/graphics_cooler_roundup/

And the xtremsystems link you are quoting also refers to this review. Do we trust it? Do we trust anything on the internet?

I would far believe a review from a reputable website, than one done by an individual on some forum where it results can be forged or biased IMHO.

 

[tkpenalty]

Look at W1zzard's review. HE DID IT.
That website is exaclty the same, except there is no feedback so the person can post whatever he likes.
I am saying that that review is seriously full of oddities, they didn't show it installed or anything, nor disconstructed.

@Ashen whoops my bad on the weight part.

I will personally ask W1zzard to test the VF900 CU out.