Fanless X570 boards

[Kapone33]

Maybe I could buy a cheap B550 board and grab used 3600X or something.
I want to either upgrade to Zen3 now, or get something to serve me well until Zen4.
I am not entirely sure what to do, especially considering the temperature problems with 5800X (the fact they are by design doesn't really matter).

You could get a 2600 or 3600 for under $200 US from Grooves land. They are in Germany but they ship for free world wide. I know the name sounds iffy but I got a 1900x for $167 CAD from them earlier. I had to pay $35 in Customs. Then you could get a nice cheap B550 board like the MSI B550 VDH WIFI. That board is usually $149 CAD so about $110 US and it comes with a WIFI 6 adapter (which by itself is $50). That would satisfy your itch until Zen 4.

 

[Octopuss]

Well you are not alone. My old i7 980x cant cut it any more either. I also run out of memory despite having 12 gb.

The sweetspot memory for zen 3 would be 3600 mhz cl 16-16-16 running dual rank per memory channel (means 2 x 16 gb or 4 x 8 GB module for a 32 gb kit for an axsemple). But you can be lucky infinity fabric can handle up to 4000 mhz memory, but no garantee for it. I chose to go for 3600 mhz CL14 memory for my system. But values for money, CL14 is not the solution. I chose CL14 cause I wanted the no compromise experience. CL14 is however also fairly expensive.

So my recommendation will be 3600 mhz cl16-16-16 running dual rank per memory channel. Then you get the most out of Zen 3 with out paying to much on memory.

For ideas to memory. These two kits.

F4-3600C16D-32GTZR-(EOL) - QVL - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for F4-3600C16D-32GTZR-(EOL). Find compatible motherboard or hardware for this product.

www.gskill.com

A cheaper alternative, but also have loser timings.

F4-3600C16D-32GTZRC - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Featuring the award-winning Trident Z heatspreader design, the Trident Z RGB memory series combines vivid RGB lighting with awesome DDR4 DRAM performance.

www.gskill.com

Ah, G.Skill really seems to be AMD-popular.
Memory will suck, price-wise, but cheaping out on that is a bad idea.

I wonder what the difference between their product lines is.

 

[freeagent]

B550 is good, I am super impressed with it still. I came from Z77 and that was still ok too. I haven't run my X58 for awhile.. its ok with SSD but not remotely in the same league these days. I used it for 9-10 years so always have a place in my heart for sure. I debated on getting X570 too, but in the end I went with B550 knowing its connectivity limitations. If you don't need 6 sata and 2x m.2 at once its great On my board you lose sata 5-6 when m.2 #2 is in use. Stable as a table, and as easy and to use as a good Intel system.

 

[Tomgang]

Ah, G.Skill really seems to be AMD-popular.
Memory will suck, price-wise, but cheaping out on that is a bad idea.

I wonder what the difference between their product lines is.

I can say the memory i got is from g.Skill. G.skill I strong when it comes to low latency ram or low timings. Corsair and crucial shut also make some good kits. My old memory is from corsair and the oldest kit is almost 11 years old now.

That is ddr3 off cause.

 

[Blaylock]

Another option, if price is a concern, is to get a 3200Mhz kit and overclock it to 3600Mhz. Most kits will easily OC to 3600Mhz, but you might want to check the IC first. Also, the price isn't much cheaper so it's really just a minor option.

G.Skill is generally my go-to brand as the OC very well.

 

[Octopuss]

I am not really into overclocking anymore. I just want something fast that works out of the box
What are the G.Skill differences? There are so many Tridents I feel dizzy.
16-16-16-36 is what I want, right?
2x16GB is what I'm looking for btw.

 

[freeagent]

They make all kinds! I bought their 3200 CL14 Royals and they can run tight and fast. I also have some Black and Whites that generally need about .05v more for the same clock, and cant run as tight as the Royals. But they can still run pretty decently. I have them paired up right now running 1866 14-15-15-35 1.45v. They make a set with those timings for 3600 too. Just check the QVL from the mobo maker you choose and maybe the memory maker QVL. I did that, and it worked pretty well this time

 

[Octopuss]

The QVL seems to be largely useless. They only list a few motherboard models and all three Tridents have the same list.
I can't quite decide what brand to go for. It's either Asus or Gigabyte, but I've been out of the loop for so long I have no idea which of the manufacturers has better BIOS support etc.

 

[milewski1015]

Like PSUs, you can't really look solely at motherboard brand, you have to look at the specific model. What do you use the system for? Neither of the drives listed in your system specs are PCIe 4.0 drives so unless you're looking at adding a new SSD, you don't need PCIe 4.0.

Edit: Not needing PCIe 4.0 means you could opt for a cheaper B450 board alongside a 3600 and then upgrade to Zen4 when that releases

 

[harm9963]

There are as far I know, only two x570 board with out a chipset fan and those are not cheap.

Those are ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII DARK HERO and GIGABYTE X570 AORUS XTREME.

Else I think all x570 boards have a chipset fan. But I really haven't seen any complaints about noise for real. About the fans, I am more concerned about fan failure in the long run. Cause it is not so simple to replace a fan, as many of those used are not your typical standart fan type.

Cant wait !

 

[Toothless]

I'm questioning how your desktop can't run a web browser. You got something buggered if my older stuff runs better than your current.

 

[Tomgang]

Cant wait !

Oh sweet. I hope I can get my system going as well soon. But first my country needs to get over the second wave of virus and lock down.

 

[Octopuss]

Like PSUs, you can't really look solely at motherboard brand, you have to look at the specific model. What do you use the system for? Neither of the drives listed in your system specs are PCIe 4.0 drives so unless you're looking at adding a new SSD, you don't need PCIe 4.0.

Edit: Not needing PCIe 4.0 means you could opt for a cheaper B450 board alongside a 3600 and then upgrade to Zen4 when that releases

Wait, what drives? I am confused. There's something in my profile? That must be years old, lol.
What I have right now is Samsung 970 Pro as data drive and I will probably get either 980 Pro or 970 Evo plus (basically something fairly fast but not big) for the OS once I upgrade.
Other than that I only have Soundblaster AE-5 card in the system.

I don't do anything specific, outside of regular browsing-like I might play some games and I edit photos in Lightroom. That's about it.
I don't need a motherboard with any fancy-schmancy features. I don't even use the integrated sound chip or the LAN. Just something where the basics are rock solid and performant. No overheating problem either - that's something I noticed when I checked B550 reviews on TPU.

I'm questioning how your desktop can't run a web browser. You got something buggered if my older stuff runs better than your current.

It can. But some of the more "technically crappy" sites are pure hell to use.

 

[Toothless]

That's... Weird. My 5680x does just fine in everything that I throw at it. Even my 5350 has very few issues which makes me wonder if you have a different issue that could be fixed until Zen 4.

 

[Octopuss]

Well, whatever I'm due for an upgrade no matter what.
Is anyone aware of any significant advantages to either Asus, Gigabyte or MSI when it comes to B550/X570 boards?

 

[bug]

Well, whatever I'm due for an upgrade no matter what.
Is anyone aware of any significant advantages to either Asus, Gigabyte or MSI when it comes to B550/X570 boards?

I don't think there's consistent differentiator. AsRock seems to be the only one left that offers diagnostic LEDs. Dual BIOS seems to be a thing of the past (now, when you could use a BIOS that runs Zen and Zen+ next to one that runs Zen+ and Zen2), but some motherboards offer other ways of updating the BIOS on a motherboard that won't boot. You may want to look into that.
Personally, I dislike mobos that put the first M2 slot between the first two PCIe slots (under the video card), I prefer when it lays above the first PCIe slot.
Other than that, I think picking a maker mostly comes down to which BIOS/UEFI you like best.

And about your browsing experience, I was going to ask whether you use NoScript. But I'm guessing even getting a snappier browser won't fix your experience with other things that may be sluggish on that rig.

 

[Durvelle27]

If you go B550

I can easily recommend the ASRock B550(M) Pro4. It is affordable with great VRMe and it doesn’t lack any good features

also has 2 M.2 Slots and a WiFi M.2 Slot

 

[evernessince]

Yeah exactly!
There don't seem to be any aftermarket heatsinks available either.

I might just buy previous generation Ryzen+board second hand and wait for Zen4 in 2022. I don't know.

A majority of boards run the chipset fan at 0 RPM unless you are using the full PCIe 4.0 bandwidth.

Suffice it to say I still have a Z67 sabertooth with a small chipset fan that runs just fine. Short of that it's really not hard to ziptie it on should the fan fail out of warranty years down the line.

My main rig runs a X570 taichi and I never hear the fan. People are far too anal about an non-issue.

 

[8BitZ80]

B550 is good, I am super impressed with it still. I came from Z77 and that was still ok too. I haven't run my X58 for awhile.. its ok with SSD but not remotely in the same league these days. I used it for 9-10 years so always have a place in my heart for sure. I debated on getting X570 too, but in the end I went with B550 knowing its connectivity limitations. If you don't need 6 sata and 2x m.2 at once its great On my board you lose sata 5-6 when m.2 #2 is in use. Stable as a table, and as easy and to use as a good Intel system.

Yeah I've been happy with my Asus B550 motherboard as well, even though it was pricey at US$270. I have built some office systems with Gigabyte B550 boards that cost less than half as much and they have performed exceptionally well too. B550 has PCI-E 4.0 and 98% of the features compared to X570 so I don't see any point in stepping up unless there's a model-specific benefit.

Asus and Gigabyte seem to be my go-to brands for motherboards. Never used Asrock (design aesthetics are too quirky) or MSI (also kinda meh and boycotting the brand anyway).

 

[Octopuss]

I've just ordered Asus Prime B550-Plus and some Ripjaws memory. I hope it will all work together. There's no reason it shouldn't, I guess I should be more worried about silicon lottery on the 5800X.

 

[AusWolf]

The QVL seems to be largely useless. They only list a few motherboard models and all three Tridents have the same list.
I can't quite decide what brand to go for. It's either Asus or Gigabyte, but I've been out of the loop for so long I have no idea which of the manufacturers has better BIOS support etc.

I recommend Asus solely from personal experience. Their bios is easy to use, easy to upgrade, and support is quite good in terms of longevity.

As for memory, everybody recommends dual rank 3600 mhz cl 16 kits, but honestly, you only notice the few % difference if you put two systems side by side and run a memory intensive benchmark. I have a 3200 mhz cl 16 kit with my 5950X, and have no problems whatsoever. It's easy to overspend on memory. I personally would not recommend it.

As for your older system, its behaviour is quite weird. I have a secondary machine with an ancient core i3-2120T in it (35 watt dual core Sandy Bridge from almost 10 years ago), and it does basic tasks just fine. Have you tried installing a fresh OS on it?

 

[Zach_01]

The X570 chipset fan theory (from day1) has grown out of proportion when users had their mindset to old boards and experience. Still I see its a big issue, without any good reason.
Most boards added a 3-Curve profiles in BIOS to control PCH fan. (Perf, Normal, Silent). I keep mine on silent mode which starts the fan at 58C.
The fan never spins and the PCH temp stays below 50C. Even summer time with 30+C ambient, PCH stays around 55C.

 

[freeagent]

I've got fans that are 15 years in service and still fine.

 

[bug]

The X570 chipset fan theory (from day1) has grown out of proportion when users had their mindset to old boards and experience. Still I see its a big issue, without any good reason.
Most boards added a 3-Curve profiles in BIOS to control PCH fan. (Perf, Normal, Silent). I keep mine on silent mode which starts the fan at 58C.
The fan never spins and the PCH temp stays below 50C. Even summer time with 30+C ambient, PCH stays around 55C.

I think it depends on how you read into it. I'm pretty sure most buyers will be just fine. But at the same time, I'm also sure out of 100 chipset fan, a few will go sour within a year or two. That's what I'd like to avoid. At first, there was no choice, but today, I'd pick the B550 without a second thought. Unless, for some reason, I really need the extra PCIe 4 lanes.

 

[INSTG8R]

Even with the fan on my Auros X570 Pro set to performance(highest option) it’s still the hottest component after my GPU...