Faulty APU? (HP laptop, A6-5200) - Disable Win10 driver updating

[Frick]

Hey hey,

HP Touchsmart 15 something something
Windows 10
AMD A6-5200 APU
1TB HDD

So I'm workin on a laptop for a friend. He (very senior citizen) claims it recieved an update, and after that it just didn't work. It was kinda true, as soon as you logged in it was suuuuuper slow. I mean it took about 15 minutes for the usually snappish system to be usuable, and when you did anything (click the start meny, launch browser, that kind of stuff) it just stopped for several minutes until something happened. Safe mode works fine.

Managed to do a reinstall with the builtin tool, that did not help. Did a total reinstall from scratch and now I've disabled automatic driver installing and I just haven't installed the GPU drivers and it works.

I think I'm pretty correct in saying either the GPU part of the CPU is borked, or the drivers are borked.



.....


Hey, while I wrote this it installed new drivers anyway. O&O Shutup doesn't work anymore?

How can I disable driver updating?

EDIT: BTW, temps are all fine. I've come that far, through saint-like patience, and no strangeness in the SMART data.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

You can't in Windows 10. If MS considers it essential, security related, or a required update it will install it without asking you. To my knowledge you can delay it, but not disable it.

 

[RejZoR]

And people called me crazy when I complained over stupid ass AMD APU units and absolutely appaling driver support for them. This one ain't super old neither is super crappy. And yet Windows Update drivers keep f**king shit up.

@Frick
I suggest you try updating drivers using DriverPack (free driver updater). Found it few days ago and this thing really sorted out stuff, just make sure you uncheck extra software from it which always gets pre-checked. My crap AMD E-450 now actually plays Youtube decently inside browser and whole system feels a lot more snappy. It didn't update GPU drivers, but it did AMD SATA driver as well as SMBus as well as few other things.
Would still recommend creating System Restore point for obvious reasons, some drivers might be picky. Maybe this will help.

 

[Frick]

And people called me crazy when I complained over stupid ass AMD APU units and absolutely appaling driver support for them. This one ain't super old neither is super crappy. And yet Windows Update drivers keep f**king shit up.

@Frick
I suggest you try updating drivers using DriverPack (free driver updater). Found it few days ago and this thing really sorted out stuff, just make sure you uncheck extra software from it which always gets pre-checked. My crap AMD E-450 now actually plays Youtube decently inside browser and whole system feels a lot more snappy. It didn't update GPU drivers, but it did AMD SATA driver as well as SMBus as well as few other things.
Would still recommend creating System Restore point for obvious reasons, some drivers might be picky. Maybe this will help.

Was thinking about trying older drivers, but I ended up just skipping them entirely. The CPU is beefy enough to handle HD streams, so he just has to do without.

O&O Shutup10 started working btw.

 

[little cat]

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/stop-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10

http://www.howtogeek.com/223864/how-to-uninstall-and-block-updates-and-drivers-on-windows-10/

a side note : On my Windows 10 I have disabled Windows Update service and turn it on when I want

 

[RejZoR]

One way to selectively allow updates is to use Windows Update MiniTool, but I've seen cases where Windows just ignores the fact I have it set to "Notify" and it just auto installs stuff. So god damn annoying, especially with stupid drivers. Whoever thought drivers should be force installed with Windows Update shot be shot.

At first it was with an excuse people don't install critical security updates. How hard is it to ask user if he wants to install X driver via Windows Update? Noooooo, just shove it all up our throats and now even bypassing MiniTool intentionally. Just stop it dumb Microsoft.

 

[mistme]

At first it was with an excuse people don't install critical security updates. How hard is it to ask user if he wants to install X driver via Windows Update? Noooooo, just shove it all up our throats and now even bypassing MiniTool intentionally. Just stop it dumb Microsoft.

Consider all driver updates to be critical security updates since hardware makers don't differentiate between critical security updates and non-critical-security updates and they probably won't start doing that anytime soon.

 

[RejZoR]

Only drivers that could ever be considered as critical are networking drivers. Everything else has never been a security risk. We know graphic drivers are the most problematic and yet they go and force just that so you can't even go back to older version. How retarded is that!?

 

[mistme]

Only drivers that could ever be considered as critical are networking drivers. Everything else has never been a security risk. We know graphic drivers are the most problematic and yet they go and force just that so you can't even go back to older version. How retarded is that!?

The only thing retarded here is your statement.

It's not unusual for device drivers to be running at elevated priviledges and software can interact with device drivers.
Have you even bothered to look up device driver vulnerabilities? How about this one -

VMware Tools HGFS Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability
https://communities.vmware.com/thread/150476?start=0&tstart=0

You are exactly the user Windows 10 has forced updates for. Enjoy your medicine.

 

[cdawall]

It's an HP the board is probably failing like they all do. Also there is still full driver for that APU as far as I can tell.

 

[RejZoR]

The only thing retarded here is your statement.

It's not unusual for device drivers to be running at elevated priviledges and software can interact with device drivers.
Have you even bothered to look up device driver vulnerabilities? How about this one -

VMware Tools HGFS Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability
https://communities.vmware.com/thread/150476?start=0&tstart=0

You are exactly the user Windows 10 has forced updates for. Enjoy your medicine.

VM fucking Ware. It's up to company behind it to fix their shit, not Microsoft. Now, please do tell me how many privilege escalation vulnerabilities were there for graphics drivers for there to be a need to force every single god damn driver release on WU. What malware actually used any of it in the wild (beyond pointless concepts)? Also VMWare is the most specific thing you could pull out of the hat. People use VMWare to intentionally play with highly volatile apps. It's designed for that. It has to be near flawless. Graphic cards just don't have to.

And even if there was this magic vulnerability, they could force install only fix version, not frigging ALL of them. It's retarded way to solve problems for 500 (maybe) affected systems and making user experience miserable for millions of users.

 

[slozomby]

VM fucking Ware. It's up to company behind it to fix their shit, not Microsoft. Now, please do tell me how many privilege escalation vulnerabilities were there for graphics drivers for there to be a need to force every single god damn driver release on WU. What malware actually used any of it in the wild (beyond pointless concepts)? Also VMWare is the most specific thing you could pull out of the hat. People use VMWare to intentionally play with highly volatile apps. It's designed for that. It has to be near flawless. Graphic cards just don't have to.

And even if there was this magic vulnerability, they could force install only fix version, not frigging ALL of them. It's retarded way to solve problems for 500 (maybe) affected systems and making user experience miserable for millions of users.

nothing is immune to attacks. period.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/nvidia-gpu-systems-purged-of-critical-security-bug/

http://blog.talosintel.com/2016/07/Intel-HD-Graphics-Vulnerability.html

 

[mistme]

VM fucking Ware. It's up to company behind it to fix their shit, not Microsoft. Now, please do tell me how many privilege escalation vulnerabilities were there for graphics drivers for there to be a need to force every single god damn driver release on WU. What malware actually used any of it in the wild (beyond pointless concepts)? Also VMWare is the most specific thing you could pull out of the hat. People use VMWare to intentionally play with highly volatile apps. It's designed for that. It has to be near flawless. Graphic cards just don't have to.

And even if there was this magic vulnerability, they could force install only fix version, not frigging ALL of them. It's retarded way to solve problems for 500 (maybe) affected systems and making user experience miserable for millions of users.

It wouldn't have to be forced if driver makers would distinctively mark their updates as security updates
and non-security feature updates, but since there is no such distinction at present time you will have forced driver updates.
And it's not really a good idea to leave the bugs unpatched until after you have identified a malware that exploits them.
There's a reason Flash is being hated so much.

This VMWare bug is on the first page of results for device driver vulnerabilities that your ignorance would not allow you to look for.
And I think it's relevant as an example that server systems need driver security updates too.
Your graphics driver is running with system priviledges and you don't need security updates for that?
Good thing Microsoft is taking care of you.

You would think that there are only 500 bobbleheads like you, but don't worry - you are with the 99% of users who are clueless about computing security.

If you want to talk about pointless concepts and why people call hacking magic, when it is in fact reality, why don't you read about Stuxnet and how and why it worked.
After that understand that proven successfull ideas are being reconstructed by other people, get derivative works,
and are being sold for ever cheaper prices to whoever would like to include them in their kit.

 

[RejZoR]

Sorry, but that's a load of bollocks and you know it. VMWare has it's own updater, it's up to VMWare to fix this shit, not MS forcing it down our throats.

And if Microsoft's updater isn't flexible enough to control driver versions nad what is and what isn't forced, then what the fuck were they doing with Win10 for all these years? Just dumbing it down to be even less flexible than WinXP updater?

 

[mistme]

Sorry, but that's a load of bollocks and you know it. VMWare has it's own updater, it's up to VMWare to fix this shit, not MS forcing it down our throats.

And if Microsoft's updater isn't flexible enough to control driver versions nad what is and what isn't forced, then what the fuck were they doing with Win10 for all these years? Just dumbing it down to be even less flexible than WinXP updater?

I am not sorry that you are clueless, I am sorry for your ignorance.

GPU drivers have their own updaters and it's up to gpu driver makers to fix weekly 300mb game definitions being released as drivers.
They don't have to go through microsoft update if only they would care about it.

Microsoft's updater could have been made aware about driver versions, but what other drivers have weekly 300mb non functionally critical driver updates?
In addition to that, there's not a lot of software that provide separate security and feature update paths
and probably no drivers do that given how vital they are to the proper functioning of the system.

There are no long term service branches for consumer graphics drivers and there are no long term service branches for consumer windows 10 editions.
You are always on a currrent release cycle. But you knew that this was the deal with windows 10, didn't you?

Microsoft sometimes works in mysterious ways, but they were probably looking at Apple
and how much easier Apple's life is when compared to Microsoft and Google in relation to device and software updates.
Microsoft has decided what the updates, the free windows 10, the telemetry, the peer seeding/network sharing,
pre-downloads would be for Microsoft's benefit first and foremost and let marketing deal with users who need help seeing their "benefit" too.

Now you would probably call bullshit if I told you that you could lose your system through a mouse. And yet here we are:

Microsoft security advisory: Update to Improve Wireless Mouse Input Filtering: April 12, 2016
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3152550

It doesn't matter what the physical device is, what matters is how it's insulated in the OS - and it isn't.

 

[RejZoR]

What the fuck are you babbling about? If any driver below certain version has a critical bug or flaw, the one that succeeds it is then enforced. But not ANY after that driver since it is assumed driver makers already include the fix for future releases. Meaning, users will have the enforced security fix driver, but possibly not the latest, because those aren't critical. This is nothing complicated at all, if Microsoft can't make it, then I really don't know how they survived as a company for this long. So I really don't have a clue what you're talking about while calling me clueless at the same time.

Driver update enforcement timeline:

v1.0 Normal (Base driver required for device to operate, installed during Windows install)
v1.1 Normal (Not enforced)
v1.2 Vulnerable
v1.3 Enforced update (every user of any version prior v1.3 gets it whether they like it or not)
v1.4 Normal (Not enforced)
v1.5 Normal (Not enforced)
etc

This is how modern updating works. If Microsoft isn't capable of delivering essential, critical and non essential drivers this way and they have to enforce everything they get to WU, then they should just go bankrupt already because they are incompetent fools.

 

[R0H1T]

You can't in Windows 10. If MS considers it essential, security related, or a required update it will install it without asking you. To my knowledge you can delay it, but not disable it.

How about disabling BITS & WU service, I don't remember win10 being able to turn them ON (to auto or manual) when they're disabled

 

[mistme]

What the fuck are you babbling about? If any driver below certain version has a critical bug or flaw, the one that succeeds it is then enforced. But not ANY after that driver since it is assumed driver makers already include the fix for future releases. Meaning, users will have the enforced security fix driver, but possibly not the latest, because those aren't critical. This is nothing complicated at all, if Microsoft can't make it, then I really don't know how they survived as a company for this long. So I really don't have a clue what you're talking about while calling me clueless at the same time.

Driver update enforcement timeline:

v1.0 Normal (Base driver required for device to operate, installed during Windows install)
v1.1 Normal (Not enforced)
v1.2 Vulnerable
v1.3 Enforced update (every user of any version prior v1.3 gets it whether they like it or not)
v1.4 Normal (Not enforced)
v1.5 Normal (Not enforced)
etc

This is how modern updating works. If Microsoft isn't capable of delivering essential, critical and non essential drivers this way and they have to enforce everything they get to WU, then they should just go bankrupt already because they are incompetent fools.

Get reading lessons.

Drivers are not marked by driver makers in to critical and not critical.

It's not Microsoft's intent nor interest to keep you on an older driver versions.

They may be incompetent at times but they are the king of the software world now,
and you ranting about their bankrupcy while sitting on a windows 10 is just hilarious.

 

[RejZoR]

And what has Microsoft achieved by that? Instead of people fiddling with their updates per update basis they now have hordes of users who ENTIRELY disable Windows Update. What's worse, few users postponing or disabling individual updates or people who have updating totally disabled, not receiving ANY updates. But hey, I'm clueless, so what the hell do I know...

EDIT:
And that's the problem, enforcing ALL drivers. Good luck returning to old grpahic drivers that work with your game, but new don't. Back in time you could just go back. Now you CAN'T. You're forced to wait for NEW driver which may or may not come in 1 month time. Maybe. See how monumentally retarded that is? Also, my reading skills are just fine, thank you very much.

 

[infrared]

Don't worry about it RejZor, the guy has made an impenetrable wall around his thoughts, you can't change his mind or get him to accept that more advanced users would prefer manual control. He'll just repeat the same thing again and again.

 

[mistme]

And what has Microsoft achieved by that? Instead of people fiddling with their updates per update basis they now have hordes of users who ENTIRELY disable Windows Update. What's worse, few users postponing or disabling individual updates or people who have updating totally disabled, not receiving ANY updates. But hey, I'm clueless, so what the hell do I know...

EDIT:
And that's the problem, enforcing ALL drivers. Good luck returning to old grpahic drivers that work with your game, but new don't. Back in time you could just go back. Now you CAN'T. You're forced to wait for NEW driver which may or may not come in 1 month time. Maybe. See how monumentally retarded that is? Also, my reading skills are just fine, thank you very much.

Microsoft has achieved that you won't bring hardware that doesn't have proper windows 10 driver support into windows 10 ecosystem.
Microsoft has also achieved that you would have a simple update cut-off date instead of any arbitrary update dates and versions for any arbitraty combination of components.

Microsoft has also determined that it is in their best interest to force feed updates to 99% of users, whom you belong to.

Microsoft has also determined that bad drivers are a user problem. Maybe a driver maker problem. But certainly not Microsoft's problem.

Microsoft, as a corporation, is acting in it's self interest, first and foremost, at the expense of everything else, users be damned.

You know that windows 10 will force updates on your system and you're still running windows 10, so I guess you have made your informed decision.

Only drivers that could ever be considered as critical are networking drivers. Everything else has never been a security risk. We know graphic drivers are the most problematic and yet they go and force just that so you can't even go back to older version. How retarded is that!?

Nothing beats the monument to your stupidity.

 

[infrared]

Microsoft has even gone so far as sending their bots into tech forums to defend their stupid decisions.

 

[mistme]

Don't worry about it RejZor, the guy has made an impenetrable wall around his thoughts, you can't change his mind or get him to accept that more advanced users would prefer manual control. He'll just repeat the same thing again and again.

I would think that more advanced users would know what they are choosing, and if you want manual control
then don't choose windows 10 that takes your manual control away from you.
What's the point of sitting on windows 10 and ranting about it?

I'm choosing and configuring my system so that it would work for me, not for somebody else.
Isn't that what's supposed to be meant by "advanced users"?

I intend to avoid the windows 10 nannying for a long while.

 

[infrared]

I'm choosing and configuring my system so that it would work for me, not for somebody else.

Then why are you here telling people the only valid opinion is your own?

 

[mistme]

Don't worry about it RejZor, the guy has made an impenetrable wall around his thoughts, you can't change his mind or get him to accept that more advanced users would prefer manual control. He'll just repeat the same thing again and again.

Microsoft has even gone so far as sending their bots into tech forums to defend their stupid decisions.

Then why are you here telling people the only valid opinion is your own?

Microsoft could figuratively slaughter any number of users and the rest of them wouldn't be able to figure out
that Microsoft doesn't care about them and their Microsoft software usage troubles, or how stupid Microsoft decisions are.

Microsoft is a Moon sized wrecking ball rolling on the Earth and it doesn't adapt to the users,
the users have to adapt to a Moon sized wrecking ball rolling on the Earth if they don't want to find themselves under it.

I guess I am trying to imply that users have to make choises and decisions, about update policy, windows 10,
and other Microsoft policy decisions that they will have to adapt to at Microsoft's convenience and not at users' convenience.
Microsoft may not provide you a perfect system for your needs, and you'll have to live with the compromises that you'll have to make.

Don't think that these policies are driven by consumer demand, even if they are sold to you as such.
A corporation is acting in it's own interest, just as a user should.

And then here you come, talking about the "impenetrable walls" of my thinking.