First Tentative Alder Lake DDR5 Performance Figures Leak

[Makaveli]

Yup, Ryzens won't stay competitive much longer, especially considering it looks like even Meteor Lake will be out before Zen4...yikes!

Can you give me the numbers for today's lotto with that magic 8 ball you got there lol

 

[Chrispy_]

Yup, Ryzens won't stay competitive much longer, especially considering it looks like even Meteor Lake will be out before Zen4...yikes!

Oh no! AMD's 2020 product won't be as fast as intel's unreleased Q4'2021 or 2022 product, AMD are doomed for sure, better sell all my AMD stock before they crash and burn!
/s

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

they are, core count matters more for those who dont know and because of that calling 6 performance cores and 4 eco cores simple "10 cores" compared to a 5800X 8 performance cores, is basically a loophole to false marketing.

8 cores on a desktop won't give equivalent performance to 8 cores on a laptop, that feels like such a weak argument... Imagine 15w renoir 8 core vs a 5800x...

suggests the small cores are actually doing a lot more than expected.

How were people expecting them to do? I'd expect the 4c cluster to at least match a single GNC core in performance... That's the very least.

8c GNC with 20% IPC over SNC/WLC puts you at around 9.6 core equivalent SNC/WLC (and in turn around that for zen 3), and just off the top of my head I'd say the little cores should have around 50-100% better performance per area compared to the big cores, so that'd be around 3.6-4.8 zen 3 core equivalent, which puts you just shy of a 5950x (assuming that is clocking the same as a 5800x).

Yup, Ryzens won't stay competitive much longer, especially considering it looks like even Meteor Lake will be out before Zen4...yikes!

It'll just be back to price competition.

 

[TheLostSwede]

How were people expecting them to do? I'd expect the 4c cluster to at least match a single GNC core in performance... That's the very least.

8c GNC with 20% IPC over SNC/WLC puts you at around 9.6 core equivalent SNC/WLC (and in turn around that for zen 3), and just off the top of my head I'd say the little cores should have around 50-100% better performance per area compared to the big cores, so that'd be around 3.6-4.8 zen 3 core equivalent, which puts you just shy of a 5950x (assuming that is clocking the same as a 5800x).

It'll just be back to price competition.

What's GNC/SNC/WLC? Too tired to play guessing games and if you're going to use acronyms that aren't commonly used, at least explain them once.

I expected them to perform like the Atom cores they are, i.e. not so great and no at what looks to be very close to a full fat Core i core.
I presume you clicked on the link and looked at the graphs? According to that, Intel is making AMD look bad in most benchmarks and the 11x00 series look like a joke.
Somehow it doesn't quite add up with what I expected at least, although it also seems like not everything is behaving as expected, especially X265 encoding and the "digital content" test in PCMark, where the new CPUs are really falling behind.
Again, I would take all those graphs with a both an unhealthy dose of sodium chloride and ammonium chloride.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

GNC/SNC/WLC

golden sunny willow cove

I expected them to perform like the Atom cores they are

Intel can call them gaming cores, infinity cores, whatever they like... They wouldn't stick 4 of them in place of a single big core if they could get more performance out of the single core (either assuming equal area or equal logic since they both would take up one ring stop). In reality the performance per transistor of a complex superscalar, out of order core like this drops off a cliff as you increase the complexity, a lot of structures need to be scaled exponentially to get performance uplifts.

The graphs on that link are definitely questionable, but I don't think you should be surprised to see the top 8+8 parts getting within touching distance of a 5950x (that's not to say they won't draw more power).

 

[HenrySomeone]

8c GNC with 20% IPC over SNC/WLC puts you at around 9.6 core equivalent SNC/WLC (and in turn around that for zen 3), and just off the top of my head I'd say the little cores should have around 50-100% better performance per area compared to the big cores, so that'd be around 3.6-4.8 zen 3 core equivalent, which puts you just shy of a 5950x (assuming that is clocking the same as a 5800x).

It'll just be back to price competition.

Yeah, I expect a lot of sullen faces when 12900k with the so called "weak/fake/cheating cores" (you name it) will be beating 5950x more times than not for a lower price and comparable power consumption (possibly even quite a bit lower in a lot of scenarios). And oh, regarding AMD being competitive on prices - they were able to do that when they were still using the sub-par GLOFO, not so much now on the crowded 7nm TSMC (and it will be worse for 5nm, that's for sure). They really should have used this last couple of years better, but looking at their net profit figures, they haven't and it won't get better from here. The future honestly isn't all that bright for team red...

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Yeah, I expect a lot of sullen faces when 12900k with the so called "weak/fake/cheating cores" (you name it) will be beating 5950x more times than not for a lower price and comparable power consumption (possibly even quite a bit lower in a lot of scenarios). And oh, regarding AMD being competitive on prices - they were able to do that when they were still using the sub-par GLOFO, not so much now on the crowded 7nm TSMC (and it will be worse for 5nm, that's for sure). They really should have used this last couple of years better, but looking at their net profit figures, they haven't and it won't get better from here. The future honestly isn't all that bright for team red...

The WSAs with TSMC were locked in long term and I don't see any indication of TSMC being reluctant to give AMD more capacity... Zen 2 was sold at lower prices per mm^2 when the node was less mature...

Also, the lowest cost per chiplet of zen 3 at current is the 5900X, cheaper per chiplet than even the 5600X. Not to mention supply of the Cezanne parts is plentiful while those have over 2x the die area of the single CCD parts (worse yields on top of 2x the raw silicon cost), yet costs less. Cezanne may not be selling gangbusters but I don't think there is any reason to believe AMD is at all limited by how much N7 they can get from TSMC or the prices it's being moved at...

 

[jbgtly]

I score this in the Cpu z benchmark. And we will need to see a full review with more than 1 app. ADL will most certainly have a ST lead as it should. However its abit soon to be writing off the 3d stacking chips based on a single leak benchmark.

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This is my 5800X Cpu-z bench. This is after about 30min with curve optimizer when I first got the processor. Its actually hit 700/7000 a few times in the past when ambient temp was a little cooler, usually when crybaby family was over that think 80deg F is hot.
I honestly think the only times ADL will beat the current AMD cpus is when its using Sh** Tons more power.