Freesync working on G-Sync monitors? Since when?

[FordGT90Concept]

It should be noted that AW3420DW is really new. G-Sync modules in the past relied on some kind of GeForce/G-Sync communication before the GeForce would start sending frames as they were produced (it wasn't a DisplayPort standard then). Maybe the latest version of the G-Sync module relies on the DisplayPort standard to unify G-Sync and G-Sync Compatible (and by extension, FreeSync) on the implementation side.

Best explanation I got even though Dell says the monitor is 1.2 when adaptive sync was introduced in 1.2a. FreeSync/G-Sync Compatible shouldn't technically work with it at all.

 

[HTC]

Best explanation I got even though Dell says the monitor is 1.2 when adaptive sync was introduced in 1.2a. FreeSync/G-Sync Compatible shouldn't technically work with it at all.

Like Jensen said: "It just works".

 

[Zach_01]

The good old... and typical nVidia...

Nvidia Kills FreeSync, Intel "Meets Competition"

 

[Voluman]

Care to elaborate?

link

 

[Totally]

link

This is not that. There are tiers of GSYNC

GSYNC Compatible(also freesync) <- what you linked
GSYNC (has module) <- my monitor
GSYNC Ultimate

 

[Voluman]

This is not that. There are tiers of GSYNC

GSYNC Compatible(also freesync) <- what you linked
GSYNC (has module) <- my monitor
GSYNC Ultimate

You asked about since when, thats the answer.
I have no clue what you want to point/say/ask with this post.

 

[Zach_01]

Totally Question: I gave up on freesync and planned to live with the monitor as the panel had every other spec I wanted and to my surprise here it is working literally out of the box. When did this happen?

Voluman Answer: Since nVidia started the program of "Compatible Monitors" and "asking" * the manufacturers to erase Free-sync from labeling in order to get the G-sync compatible approval.

*extort. And because nVidia has power and market share they fall... simple as that.
Its the same on that video I posted (#28)

Am I right with this misunderstanding?

 

[R-T-B]

g-sync module monitors have ulmb.this one doesn't.

Uh, mine doesn't and the module is certainly present (made before gsync compatible)

Am I right with this misunderstanding?

In the sense that the conspiracy is possible? Sure. Still not convinced without a single whistleblower here.

 

[Zach_01]

In the sense that the conspiracy is possible? Sure. Still not convinced without a single whistleblower here.

I ment with the misunderstanding of... Question(Totally) and point(Voluman) They seem that they lost one another at some point.

 

[Totally]

The point of this thread was my monitor is a supposedly a Gsync monitor is running Freesync. Up to this point it is common knowledge that Freesync cannot run on Gsync monitors. On the flip side, at the start of this year Nvidia enabled Gsync on Freesync monitors attaching "Gsync compatible" to them(Voluman doesn't seem to understand this). Fast forward today Nvidia is hellbent on removing "Freesync" branding entirely but that's a whole different story entirely. Gsync have a proprietary display driver module that makes the magic happen which Gsync Compatible/Freesync monitors lack and is incompatible with Freesync. To recap, "Gsync Compatible" and "Gsync" are different tech. Moving on, from what it looks like Voluman ran a google search and reported back the what ever was at the top of the page which was a Gsync Compatible announcement. I was already tired of using my words because reddit already had me going in circles explaining the same things. If this is Nvidia endgoal, kudos to them, mission accomplished.

Back to the topic what it boils down to are two, possibly 3 scenarios.

First, Monitor is actually a Gsync compatible monitor being falsely advertised as a Gsync monitor.

Second, Freesync was never incompatible with Gsync and was actively locked out, maybe Dell forgot to or just couldn't be bothered to this time around.

Third, Nvidia changed something about the implementation of Gysnc

 

[FordGT90Concept]

First, Monitor is actually a Gsync compatible monitor being falsely advertised as a Gsync monitor.

You could confirm/deny that by taking it apart and looking for the G-Sync module attached to the mainboard. I was specifically looking for a tear down of the Alienware 34" and I couldn't find one.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

You could confirm/deny that by taking it apart and looking for the G-Sync module attached to the mainboard. I was specifically looking for a tear down of the Alienware 34" and I couldn't find one.

Do this @Totally. I'll like your post so much you'll feel like losing your virginity again.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Third, Nvidia changed something about the implementation of Gysnc

Well, it's official, Nvidia supports Adaptive Sync and VRR on their new G-Sync module.

NVIDIA Open Up Support for Adaptive-sync/FreeSync for Future Native G-sync Module Screens – TFT Central

www.tftcentral.co.uk

 

[gx toast]

I want to buy the AW3418DW but the lack of official Adaptive Sync compatibility has been a deal-breaker. This thread introduces the possibility that later hardware revisions of this monitor might have an updated G-Sync module that is Adaptive Sync compatible. However, nothing conclusive has resulted from the great discussion going on in this thread and it would be good to resolve that.

What needs to be confirmed:
- that the AW3418DW has been updated to support Adaptive Sync
- what hardware revisions have received the update
- what level of Adaptive Sync is supported

I'll have a conversation with Dell Sales and Support to confirm compatibility and post back here. Hopefully confirmation is forthcoming from Dell.

 

[Totally]

I want to buy the AW3418DW but the lack of official Adaptive Sync compatibility has been a deal-breaker. This thread introduces the possibility that later hardware revisions of this monitor might have an updated G-Sync module that is Adaptive Sync compatible. However, nothing conclusive has resulted from the great discussion going on in this thread and it would be good to resolve that.

What needs to be confirmed:
- that the AW3418DW has been updated to support Adaptive Sync
- what hardware revisions have received the update
- what level of Adaptive Sync is supported

I'll have a conversation with Dell Sales and Support to confirm compatibility and post back here. Hopefully confirmation is forthcoming from Dell.

Nvidia changed G-Sync V2 (V2.5 now, I guess) to work with both around the time I made the thread and officially announced it 2 months later. In the announcement they made it clear that the change will not be retroactively applied to models existing prior to the announcement only new models.

 

[gx toast]

Nvidia changed G-Sync V2 (V2.5 now, I guess) to work with both around the time I made the thread and officially announced it 2 months later. In the announcement they made it clear that the change will not be retroactively applied to models existing prior to the announcement only new models.

I guess you got a revision with one of those new modules. I'm looking at buying a refurbished unit from the Outlet but will need to work out what hardware revision to get. Would you mind posting your manufactured date and hardware revision? If the refurbished units are the same I'll likely buy.

It's really going to come down to the age of these units. It's no longer possible to buy new, as the AW3420DW is the only option now.

BTW, did you confirm if Low Framerate Compensation works?

 

[John Naylor]

There's this imaginary mindset that G-Sync and Freesync a are the "same thing" ... this fits in a category which today is called "Alternative Facts". Both do active sync ..... Freesync has several performance limitations that nVidias hardware module avoids. Compatible means, the nvidia monitor can perform active sync w/ a AMD card. You will NOT get any of the benefits provided by the nVidia hardware module ... (higher refresh rates, 0 input lag, motion blur reduction technology, etc.). of course every user might not consider these features worth the extra cost ... but you should be aware that advice "pretending" they are the same doesn't serve anyone's interest. And, to be fair, it must be mentioned that another cost associated G-Sync besides the cost of the module is you can't do PnP for TV viewing and some connectivity options ( DP and HDMI only) are not available.

For an unbiased comparison, read the following article.

Variable Refresh Rates - G-sync and FreeSync - TFTCentral

A detailed look at variable refresh rates (VRR) including NVIDIA G-sync, AMD FreeSync and all the various versions and certifications that exist

www.tftcentral.co.uk

 

[gx toast]

There's this imaginary mindset that G-Sync and Freesync a are the "same thing" ... this fits in a category which today is called "Alternative Facts". Both do active sync ..... Freesync has several performance limitations that nVidias hardware module avoids. Compatible means, the nvidia monitor can perform active sync w/ a AMD card. You will NOT get any of the benefits provided by the nVidia hardware module ... (higher refresh rates, 0 input lag, motion blur reduction technology, etc.). of course every user might not consider these features worth the extra cost ... but you should be aware that advice "pretending" they are the same doesn't serve anyone's interest. And, to be fair, it must be mentioned that another cost associated G-Sync besides the cost of the module is you can't do PnP for TV viewing and some connectivity options ( DP and HDMI only) are not available.

For an unbiased comparison, read the following article.

Variable Refresh Rates - G-sync and FreeSync - TFTCentral

A detailed look at variable refresh rates (VRR) including NVIDIA G-sync, AMD FreeSync and all the various versions and certifications that exist

www.tftcentral.co.uk

I think this response brings us closer to asking the right questions:

1. If AMD FreeSync and NVIDIA G-Sync (F-Sync and G-Sync) aim to achieve the same goal, what is that goal?
2. If F-Sync and G-Sync aim for the same goal do they both define the same level of technical standard in their specification?
3. If they don't, which standard is more precise and exacting, and will ensure greater guarantees of material compliance?
4. How did each standard guarantee that the specified level of technology is implemented in the display?
5. If, over time, manufacturers have improved their own implementations of the less precise standard to match the more precise standard, how can incompatibilities be resolved?
6. If the maturity of technologies implemented outside the dominant standard reaches the level where they are compatible with the dominant standard, can the dominant standard adjust technologies in its specification to inter-operate with the other standard?
7. Would the dominant standard then adjust its own specification to allow the other standard to inter-operate with its own technologies?
8. If yes, to what degree?

John, you raised a good point about F-Sync and G-Sync not being the same and drew attention to the question of what level of functionality can an AMD F-Sync card achieve when talking to a G-Sync monitor.

This is the reason why I asked if Low Framerate Compensation was working. However, I didn't think that the 120hz overclock might not be available and didn't ask about that. What else might potentially not work with Totally's AMD F-Sync card?

 

[Vaalbeast]

I'd like to bump this thread because I think there is some interesting and relevant discussion here.

When I purchased this monitor (AW3420DW), I was fully expecting to go Nvidia due to AMD's mediocre showings last few generations of GPUs. However, with AMD's new 6000 series coming up and unexpectedly looking mighty attractive - is the AW3420DW still working well with FreeSync, even if not advertised or official supported? What about other newer G-Sync monitors that have released since?

It seems like there's some interesting potential here for those that may be "stuck" with native G-Sync monitors and eyeing AMD's new gen.

Edit: Additional reading material

 

[Totally]

I'd like to bump this thread because I think there is some interesting and relevant discussion here.

When I purchased this monitor (AW3420DW), I was fully expecting to go Nvidia due to AMD's mediocre showings last few generations of GPUs. However, with AMD's new 6000 series coming up and unexpectedly looking mighty attractive - is the AW3420DW still working well with FreeSync, even if not advertised or official supported? What about other newer G-Sync monitors that have released since?

It seems like there's some interesting potential here for those that may be "stuck" with native G-Sync monitors and eyeing AMD's new gen.

Edit: Additional reading material

About a month after I made this post Nvidia made a formal announcement that new monitors with the v.2 module would be compatible with both versions of adaptive sync but older. older v.1 module are stuck g-sync only. I posted the link somewhere in this thread.

 

[iluvtech]

G-Sync monitors have been the go-to choice for gamers and content creators for years. Now, with the introduction of FreeSync, they can enjoy the same immersive gaming experience without breaking the bank. The FreeSync technology also works on portable screens.