Fury+Freesync

[xfia]

speculation
i think calling vram that is a killer to the understanding of what it does.
frame buffer* could you call it the frame cache if you had a better understanding of how a cpu worked?
cpu's have been able to use less cache over time because they are faster and programming methods have evolved to use systems resources more efficiently.
the 970 is a very driver dependent gpu because it relies on compression and really the complete efficiency of the whole driver itself to be able to offload the vram(framebuffer) fast enough before it hits 3.5gb or around 3.7gb from early reports.
4gb furyx comparable to 12gb titanx?

 

[GeorgeZoo]

It's not just benches, most customer testimonials and video proof say otherwise. Just because you yourself claim Ultra isn't doable in those games on that card, doesn't prove it to be universally true, or the card, or it's VRAM config. There are a myriad of things that affect PC gaming, from every piece of hardware, to game and system file condition to other programs on the sys.


Far Cry 4 on Ultra with 970 and lesser CPU at 1080p60.

Far Cry 4 on Ultra with 970 and same CPU

CoD AW on Ultra with 970 and same CPU at 1080p60

It's like this, it's easy to see that when the vast majority of people say and show otherwise, the few complaining are an anomaly and have yet to prove any claimed performance issues are actually caused by the 3.5+512 VRAM.

You'd be calling credible bench testers like W1zzard a liar to say their benches are misleading. You need to look at what's causing it on your end, IF there really IS such a problem. I've seen a guy on a forum claim certain games were unplayable, and all it was was a bit of connection related lag in MP, which only resulted in barely perceptible hitching as he spawned into the map.

Dude i had the card, i know how it was performing. I didnt say that it was unplayable but it had some serious dropdowns in certain points where the vram got at 3.5mb. I didnt say that reviewers arent credible BUT we dont have the same hardware. And when i was playing these games the drivers werent optimized fot 970 to use 3.5mb, something that happened after ramgate happened. And i could see that it struggled enough, i didnt say it wasnt worth its money, but i would like something more futureproof(with more vram)

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Dude i had the card, i know how it was performing. I didnt say that it was unplayable but it had some serious dropdowns in certain points where the vram got at 3.5mb. I didnt say that reviewers arent credible BUT we dont have the same hardware. And when i was playing these games the drivers werent optimized fot 970 to use 3.5mb, something that happened after ramgate happened. And i could see that it struggled enough, i didnt say it wasnt worth its money, but i would like something more futureproof(with more vram)

Again, you are ONE person, MANY have stated otherwise, and I just showed you videos PROVING otherwise.

The only thing that has a shred of credibility here regarding 970 issues has more to do with drivers than hardware. Nvidia ARE indeed waffling a bit on driver performance lately, but the issues on the VRAM itself are overblown, esp at 1080p.

If you're paranoid about it though, go AMD. They're the ones using high capacity and extreme bandwidth VRAM, both of which have shown to be quite effective in recent benches. Keep in mind though, those are only syn benches so far, which are typically more frame demanding than actual games.

We won't really know how the 980 Ti compares to the 300 series until game benches roll in. Which is why I asked W1zzard if he'll be testing the 300 series or Furys soon. Last I checked he's still yet to respond.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

Again, you are ONE person, MANY have stated otherwise, and I just showed you videos PROVING otherwise.

The only thing that has a shred of credibility here regarding 970 issues has more to do with drivers than hardware. Nvidia ARE indeed waffling a bit on driver performance lately, but the issues on the VRAM itself are overblown, esp at 1080p.

If you're paranoid about it though, go AMD. They're the ones using high capacity and extreme bandwidth VRAM, both of which have shown to be quite effective in recent benches. Keep in mind though, those are only syn benches so far, which are typically more frame demanding than actual games.

We won't really know how the 980 Ti compares to the 300 series until game benches roll in. Which is why I asked W1zzard if he'll be testing the 300 series or Furys soon. Last I checked he's still yet to respond.

Dude, first of all i am not ONE person and surely not the only, there are more. Secondly, the drivers back in November-December when i ve played those games werent optomized, cause the ram issue wasnt discovered! Thirdly, i have already sold my 970. Lastly, he wont respond, he ll post the review when its time.

 

[xXxDieselxXx]

I'm in the same boat. I really want that monitor and GPU. I will probably order both as soon as I see the Fury X reviews

 

[GeorgeZoo]

I'm in the same boat. I really want that monitor and GPU. I will probably order both as soon as I see the Fury X reviews

I am waiting since mid April! it feels forever!
I might go with Fury non X, cause its cheaper!

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Dude, first of all i am not ONE person...

Really? You starting to have a split personality over this? I mean after all, you ARE waffling a bit. It almost sounds like you wish you'd not overreacted and waited for better drivers, which is often the case with ANY new GPU gen.

Anyways, don't care, just hope you make a choice you're happy with next time, because it seems silly to try and convince everyone it's a design flaw, when it's really more a driver that needed fixing.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

Really? You starting to have a split personality over this? I mean after all, you ARE waffling a bit. It almost sounds like you wish you'd not overreacted and waited for better drivers, which is often the case with ANY new GPU gen.

Anyways, don't care, just hope you make a choice you're happy with next time, because it seems silly to try and convince everyone it's a design flaw, when it's really more a driver that needed fixing.

Dont get me wrong. I just didnt want to be fooled. As a customer i want to buy what is advertised correctly, and not different specs. I dont care if there are actually 4GB of total vram, when they dont give me the same performance.
Furthermore, nvidia knew that from the beginning and they didnt tell anything about it! And dont tell me that, there was a communication error between the engineering team and the marketing team cause i will assume that you are mentally retard and you believe whatever excuses companies make to cover up their mistakes.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

And dont tell me that, there was a communication error between the engineering team and the marketing team cause i will assume that you are mentally retard and you believe whatever excuses companies make to cover up their mistakes.

Actually I was only going to say it's still 4GB VRAM total, it's just that no one's partitioned it before. So before you go implying they fooled people, research the product well. But you can go on ASSuming me to be hostile and in the process using childish insults degrading the mentally ill, as long as the staff here allows it anyway.

IMO, public flames toward other groups, be it regarding race, sexual orientation, or the mentally retarded, should be treated with equal enforcement. No reason to drag them into this, and it only further shows you're reacting on this issue more emotionally than rationally. Which some might perceive to be a mental stability problem.

Careful what you wish for bud, you need to leave well enough alone and just learn from it, but my guess is we'll see more posts focused on disgruntled purchases from you.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

Actually I was only going to say it's still 4GB VRAM total, it's just that no one's partitioned it before. So before you go implying they fooled people, research the product well. But you can go on ASSuming me to be hostile and in the process using childish insults degrading the mentally ill, as long as the staff here allows it anyway.

IMO, public flames toward other groups, be it regarding racial, sexual orientation, or the mentally retarded, should be treated with equal enforcement. No reason to drag them into this, and it only further shows you're reacting on this issue more emotionally than rationally. Which some might perceive to be a mental stability problem of itself.

ok

 

[newconroer]

come on now dont under rate freesync and gsync.. i got half the cash set aside for one myself. they come well suited for gaming in every aspect on top of having smoother frame rates not only for sli and crossfire but single gpu's down to around 40fps on some but some can do lower. gsync is like 35 and freesync is like 9.. around there.

Actually the area that Gysnc and Freesync could be helpful is in the 60-120hz range, where most people play their games now. Sometimes you can't hold 120 or 96fps, and you drop down to say 70. THAT is the place I'd like the smoothing to happen.

If my frames are consistently under 45, then I'll buy a better GPU setup. Why spend a bunch on a monitor, only to use it with a bad GPU?

 

[xfia]

Actually the area that Gysnc and Freesync could be helpful is in the 60-120hz range, where most people play their games now. Sometimes you can't hold 120 or 96fps, and you drop down to say 70. THAT is the place I'd like the smoothing to happen.

If my frames are consistently under 45, then I'll buy a better GPU setup. Why spend a bunch on a monitor, only to use it with a bad GPU?

yeah good point and i def understand what your talking about and it can feel rough. not the case for 4k tho since your limited to 60.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

Actually the area that Gysnc and Freesync could be helpful is in the 60-120hz range, where most people play their games now. Sometimes you can't hold 120 or 96fps, and you drop down to say 70. THAT is the place I'd like the smoothing to happen.

If my frames are consistently under 45, then I'll buy a better GPU setup. Why spend a bunch on a monitor, only to use it with a bad GPU?

Yeah you ve got a point there, but in some games you can drop below 60 and it could not be your gpu fault (unoptimised drivers or unpatched game) so you can use the minimum freesync window as well.

 

[GhostRyder]

Yeah you ve got a point there, but in some games you can drop below 60 and it could not be your gpu fault (unoptimised drivers or unpatched game) so you can use the minimum freesync window as well.

Yea that is true but I think what he meant (Which is what my opinion is on the subject) the range beyond 75hz is where these monitors truly shine (Hence why most are 144hz monitors of either 1440p or 1080p). This is normally due to game engineers focusing all optimizations on the 60hz range on top of the sheer amount of power needs to push the FPS that high. When playing at those ranges, your FPS is changing radically especially in AAA titles which is why you get things like tearing or lag depending on what setting you have.

Personally speaking, I have a 4K monitor for my trio of GPU's in which even in AAA games I rarely see any lag or tearing due to the choice in aftermarket programs to control my FPS (Still not perfect of course). However I would say get a Freesync 4k (Or Gsync) monitor if that is your goal as it would be helpful and at this point the cost is not much more for it (except when sales are factored in or the Gsync variants). I probably will grab a 4k Freesync monitor in the near future as well depending on what I decide to do.

 

[newconroer]

Yeah you ve got a point there, but in some games you can drop below 60 and it could not be your gpu fault (unoptimised drivers or unpatched game) so you can use the minimum freesync window as well.

Or just own a monitor that's capable of underclocking to low frequencies, then make a custom hz profile to use on those specific games.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

I wont buy neither a fury nor a freesync, pretty dissapointed!

 

[GhostRyder]

I wont buy neither a fury nor a freesync, pretty dissapointed!

Just out of curiosity what are you disappointed about it most? Bear in mind it matches the GTX 980ti and Freesync is cheaper which would in the long run save you money. I am more curious for you than wanting to sway because I feel people think the card is worthless now.

Personally its not for me but I never was buying a card this round anyways.

 

[GeorgeZoo]

i was actually gonna wait for fury non x. I have waited for months, and it is 9% below 980 ti at 1440p and 14% at 1080p. Plus the oc isnt as i thought it would be, so as the consumption, and it is watercooled! i had higher expectations about this card.
I guess it could improve with drivers but it costs 950 in Greece right now! Damn!