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If cost was the main obstacle, then you can bet Nvidia would put it on their prohibitively expensive 2080Ti not to mention Titan RTX, yet they only use it on TItan V an one or two Quadro models
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That may be but aren't all new things going to have break in periods? Also, Crypto mining was decent on the FuryX given the initial cost and the VRAM wasn't a limitation early on.
@ HenrySomeone They still use it. Instinct cards use it and will continue to use it.
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Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
I guess that they're simply not bandwith limited so they do fine with GDDR and a 352/384-bit busIf cost was the main obstacle, then you can bet Nvidia would put it on their prohibitively expensive 2080Ti not to mention Titan RTX, yet they only use it on TItan V an one or two Quadro models
System Name | 4K-gaming |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X w/Eisblock XPX |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF w/Vector TUF |
Storage | ~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Acer XV273K 4K120 + Lenovo L32p-30 4K60 |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
I'd see the best thing in HBM to have cards with a smaller PCB, just like R9 Nano. But then, AIB's totally missed this possibility when they made a "normal size" Fury and Vega cards instead of their possible "Nano" cards.That's the point - HBM may be "the king of bandwith", but with gddr5x before and now gddr6 you still get enough of it for most use cases with much less hassle and cost...
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Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
That would be Nvidia's Delta Color Compression at work. AMD has the feature as well but the implementation wasn't as efficient as Nivida's. I think it was Vega but it might be Navi that AMD had the efficiency matching Nvidia.I guess that they're simply not bandwith limited so they do fine with GDDR and a 352/384-bit bus
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Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
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Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
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Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
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Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Nvidia took one memory chip off a 2080ti to make the 11Gb 2080 ,just to save a few quid and it still cost /700£ and you think they could have gone Hbm.If cost was the main obstacle, then you can bet Nvidia would put it on their prohibitively expensive 2080Ti not to mention Titan RTX, yet they only use it on TItan V an one or two Quadro models
System Name | 4K-gaming |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X w/Eisblock XPX |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF w/Vector TUF |
Storage | ~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Acer XV273K 4K120 + Lenovo L32p-30 4K60 |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
What? I guess you mean that they knocked one memory chip off from Titan to make it a 2080 Ti, just like they did with 1080 Ti.Nvidia took one memory chip off a 2080ti to make the 11Gb 2080
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Case | Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS) |
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Keyboard | Logitech G G413 Silver |
Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
You left out the additional PCB spaced occupied for GDDR5/GDDR6 unlike HBM on the same package as the GPU die.but with gddr5x before and now gddr6 you still get enough of it for most use cases with much less hassle and cost...
System Name | 4K-gaming |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X w/Eisblock XPX |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF w/Vector TUF |
Storage | ~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Acer XV273K 4K120 + Lenovo L32p-30 4K60 |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
Exactly, that's what I meant that they could make a R9 Nano type of a small powerhorse with HBM.You left out the additional PCB spaced occupied for GDDR5/GDDR6 unlike HBM on the same package as the GPU die.
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Motherboard | MSI B450 Tomahawk ATX |
Cooling | Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition |
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Keyboard | Logitech G G413 Silver |
Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
Except the AIBs want or need to slap on a 3 slot heatsink so the PCB might as well be humongous.Exactly, that's what I meant that they could make a R9 Nano type of a small powerhorse with HBM.
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The memory controller on the chip has to be built to use HBM. The Titan RTX used GDDR6 as well, so there's no way a derivative is going to use HBM.Nvidia took one memory chip off a 2080ti to make the 11Gb 2080 ,just to save a few quid and it still cost /700£ and you think they could have gone Hbm.
They could sure but Huang isn't passing up a chance to slap consumer asses is he, no.
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X w/Eisblock XPX |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF w/Vector TUF |
Storage | ~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Acer XV273K 4K120 + Lenovo L32p-30 4K60 |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
Or the heatsink is twice the size of the PCB in length.. About just what Sapphire's R9 Fury was:Except the AIBs want or need to slap on a 3 slot heatsink so the PCB might as well be humongous.
Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X |
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Motherboard | MSI B450 Tomahawk ATX |
Cooling | Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition |
Memory | VENGEANCE LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4-3600 C18 OCed 3800 |
Video Card(s) | XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming |
Storage | 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500 GB, 870 QVO 1 TB |
Display(s) | Samsung 28” 4K monitor |
Case | Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS) |
Audio Device(s) | EVGA NU Audio |
Power Supply | EVGA 850 BQ |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 310 |
Keyboard | Logitech G G413 Silver |
Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
Well then, I wasn't aware but I'm also not surprised.Now I remembered when AMD said 4GB HBM is better than 8GB or even 12GB GDDR5.
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
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Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
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Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
Yep dump a controversial topic, sit back, and watch fanboys argue over it.Anyway, this is pretty neat troll thread. The OP, a well known avid fanboy which I had the pleasure to argue with on several occasions is nowhere to be seen.
I must say the quality of most threads on here as of late really went downhill.
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Case | Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS) |
Audio Device(s) | EVGA NU Audio |
Power Supply | EVGA 850 BQ |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 310 |
Keyboard | Logitech G G413 Silver |
Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
At this point I would be calling the 1080 Ti the monster. The 980 Ti had that moment but it's long past now.Isn't the 980ti still a monster?
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At this point I would be calling the 1080 Ti the monster. The 980 Ti had that moment but it's long past now.
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Motherboard | Gigabyte B550M Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Custom loop, Corsair ML/LL fans |
Memory | 48GB Kingston Fury DDR4-3200 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF w/Vector TUF |
Storage | ~4TB SSD + 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Acer XV273K 4K120 + Lenovo L32p-30 4K60 |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis remastered at 4K |
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Motherboard | AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370 |
Cooling | beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 |
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Case | Fractal Design Define R5 |
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Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W10 x64 |
That's the point - HBM may be "the king of bandwith", but with gddr5x before and now gddr6 you still get enough of it for most use cases with much less hassle and cost...
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Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
You're missing a key point here: Nvidia's advantage with Maxwell (and what has kept them ahead since) isn't just DCC, but a generally better balanced architecture that allows for (far) better utilization of available resources. That's also why they're so damn efficient. AMD is finally gaining on Nvidia in this regard - with Navi more or less matching Turing in perf/W - but the process node advantage AMD has definitely shows that they're still quite a bit behind. Still, HBM doesn't matter much in this regard - while GCN has indeed pretty much always been bandwidth starved, the general lack of utilization of resources is a far bigger issue as performance increases. That's why a 40-CU Navi card (admittedly at higher clocks, but still) can beat a 64-CU Vega card even though it has slightly lower memory bandwidth. AMD's VRAM compression is also improving, but that's just one part of the puzzle. Still, unless you're specifically talking about the Radeon VII and ignoring the RX 5700 series, your 'moar coars' analogy misses the mark. The architectural efficiency improvements of RDNA are definitely not insignificant.That was the main argument surrounding HBM at the time. A year prior to Fury's launch every nerd yelled their next card 'had to have HBM' and Nvidia was 'cheaping out with shitty GDDR and bandwidth limited cards'... and then 980ti came out and smoked the HBM offering using GDDR5 - and even kept up at 4K most of the time.
The other hope and dream for Fury X was its 'tremendous overclocking potential' as referenced on an AMD slide. And then Fury X came out.
The reality is, Fury X was bare necessity because AMD didn't get the brilliant idea of delta compression yet, nor did they ever get their boost technology in order. Nvidia rode Maxwell doing that alone and made do with old tech - and started running away from AMD's performance cap. Meanwhile, AMD got stuck with HBM-equipped technology trying to push ancient GCN forward that really wasn't able to cope anymore regardless - HBM was AMD"s good old 'moar cores/hardware' approach to fix an architecture lacking efficiency - and was even not balanced quite right for Fiji either.
And note: they still haven't fixed it really. They're now using new technology (again) to keep it viable. This time its called 7nm.