FYI on future ATI products

[Sonido]

Hey, long time no see. I've been busy, and I'm going to get even busier. Anywho, let's get on with it.

R800 A.K.A. Evergreen = Released

R900 = Specs are done; prototype being built by design engineers; slated for a Q2 2011 launch.

R1000 A.K.A. R1K (Rick) = Specs being finalized; no future plans released to employees without top level clearance.

5950 & 5990 Coming

 

[VulkanBros]

Interesting....you are an insider.....with an Intel proc......5990....what would that be...an overclocked 5970 with more mem??
A Hemlock on steroids ....

 

[cadaveca]

5990 should be 5870 clocks stock, and 4-phase VRM rather than the 3-phase of 5970. Will take excessive binning of Cypress chips to get this card within PCI-E TDP requirements.

But I'd like a source... otherwise it's very non-important.

 

[VulkanBros]

5990 should be 5870 clocks stock, and 4-phase VRM rather than the 3-phase of 5970. Will take excessive binning of Cypress chips to get this card within PCI-E TDP requirements.

But I'd like a source... otherwise it's very non-important.

Without hijacking this thread: cadaveca is your ASUS Crosshair III Formula worth the money?

 

[fullinfusion]

dam amd (ati) moving fast with there gpu's .....*faints*

 

[Zubasa]

5990 should be 5870 clocks stock, and 4-phase VRM rather than the 3-phase of 5970. Will take excessive binning of Cypress chips to get this card within PCI-E TDP requirements.

But I'd like a source... otherwise it's very non-important.

All they need to do is go crazy and make a dual 8-pin card.

 

[cadaveca]

Without hijacking this thread: cadaveca is your ASUS Crosshair III Formula worth the money?

When I got mine, other DDR3 790FX boards were the same cost. I bought it purely due to slot layout(2x VGAs, with 1 PCI and 1 PCI-E1x still open, slots not interfering ram changes).

So, yes, I am happy with my purchase.

I had some issues with the board at first, 720BE didn't unlock properly, Top pci-E slot caused stability issues, and still today, many 1.65v dimms do not work right, but when I sent in msgs to ASUS about issues, they had relable fixes within a couple of weeks.

I sent ASUS msg about PCI-E slot power settings, they pulled the option from bios.


But, it runs 300mhz HTT 24/7 stable, so also makes a good benching board. Haven't heard yet of anyone killing it sub-zero, but I have heard of that with other 790FX...

All that said, I would gladly change it to MSI GD70...just so I can put 4x4890's in here.

I want to eventually run 2x5970, or the mentioned "5990", in Crosshair...I will have to wait and see what happens though.

All they need to do is go crazy and make a dual 8-pin card.

I do not think that this is nessecary. If they want to release today, then yes, they could, but the TDP would make it a tough sell, I think.

 

[Zubasa]

I do not think that this is nessecary. If they want to release today, then yes, they could, but the TDP would make it a tough sell, I think.

Well, they really can do the HD2900 trick again, the last pci-e power pins can be optional.
Meaning they can make a card that will run fine on 8+6pin but dual 8-pin with OC. (basically the card is dual 8-pin but only 6+8 is required)
Power consumption isn't too much of a problem for those people who are looking for the overkill
This is what all those crazy 1000W power supplys are for.

 

[cadaveca]

Yeah, I got my first 1000W when I had 2900's. I don't think power consumption is that big of a deal...many people complaining about 5970 overheating/clocking problems are guys that have shown pics of cooling removed, and those silly white pads on the VRM are FUBAR'd when you pull the cooling. I truly think, had they not removed the cooling, they'd not have overheating issues.

But 5870 is like 190w TDP? I really need 2GB per gpu, and I do not see this possible given current GDDR5. Lots of ways they can pull it off...and I think they'd get more sales of 2GB 5870's than 1gb/gpu 5990's.

It's all about business/profit.

 

[Lionheart]

OMG!!!! more video card news, a HD5990 4gb sounds so tasty, I want so badly but me gettin a HD5970, can't complain about that

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Well if this is true thats a pretty interesting development, but any word on the magic $200 price point yet? Right now there is a about $50 price gap and even a larger performance between the 5770 and 5850, the only thing inbetween there is the old DX 10.1 4890. Can we expect a 'Radeon HD 5830' sometime in the future? The 4830 from ATI's last geb was one of their best sellers, it would make sense for then to try it again.

 

[cadaveca]

I tihnk that entirely depends on yields. And given what ATI have already said, yields are good, probably 85% of target, and that was with TSMC's minor issues thrown in.

Now, ATI must share fab time with nV, further constraining availability, and who knows how changes to the machinery may have affected their yields. This can affect the feasibility of down-binning fully functional chips...they will be pushing all chips into current SKUs that they can.

If the rumours are true, and it IS ATI that has raised cypress prices, and not TSMC or retailers who have caused the price increase, a 5830 seems unlikely, at least to me. Maybe in March...

 

[erocker]

Hey, long time no see. I've been busy, and I'm going to get even busier. Anywho, let's get on with it.

R800 A.K.A. Evergreen = Released

R900 = Specs are done; prototype being built by design engineers; slated for a Q2 2011 launch.

R1000 A.K.A. R1K (Rick) = Specs being finalized; no future plans released to employees without top level clearance.

5950 & 5990 Coming

Sorry bud. No source, no proof, you might as well be lying and telling us that you can turn my PC into a flying machine with a software update.

 

[wolf]

my thoughts exactly, and R900 slated for Q2 2010 just sounds a bit crazy, unless its just a minor tweak up, but even so... I'd have to guess Q3-Q4 with the current yield issues.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

@ erocker agreed...anyone with a keyboard can come on here and post stuff. We need a source or link or ur talking out ur ass.

 

[cadaveca]

Well, the R900 info is a given, as R800 is done. People still have to earn thier pay. The rest...all rumour.


Wolf...AFAIK, next ATI chip will be fabbed @ GloFo, so current fab issues are not a factor.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

I tihnk that entirely depends on yields. And given what ATI have already said, yields are good, probably 85% of target, and that was with TSMC's minor issues thrown in.

Now, ATI must share fab time with nV, further constraining availability, and who knows how changes to the machinery may have affected their yields. This can affect the feasibility of down-binning fully functional chips...they will be pushing all chips into current SKUs that they can.

If the rumours are true, and it IS ATI that has raised cypress prices, and not TSMC or retailers who have caused the price increase, a 5830 seems unlikely, at least to me. Maybe in March...

A '5830' does not necessarily have to come from a down-binned functional card but can also be made from functional but partially defective chips as well. An example of this is the Radeon HD 4730 or 4860 which are made from other, more powerful GPUs and were cut down, not to put them in a different price bracket, but to lock the non-functional, defective areas out (much like how early Phenom II X3 720s and X4 810s were created)

 

[cadaveca]

I believe the chip you are refering to, the locked one, to be 5850, hence 1440 SPs. This would be the "720BE". Mind you, my 720BE unlocked, and is running 3.75ghz, 4 cores...

4890 stock must run out first, and hence my suggestion they wil lwait until at least march. With few apps that support DX11, there's little need to fill the price/performance gap.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Speculation thread.......ACTIVATE!

 

[Zubasa]

I believe the chip you are refering to, the locked one, to be 5850, hence 1440 SPs. This would be the "720BE". Mind you, my 720BE unlocked, and is running 3.75ghz, 4 cores...

4890 stock must run out first, and hence my suggestion they wil lwait until at least march. With few apps that support DX11, there's little need to fill the price/performance gap.

Well AMD also made the 550BE out of Denebs
So a HD 5830 is certainly possible, and this might be a good way to get rid of some of the more defective chips.
May be some of the last 15% of the cypress chips?

 

[cadaveca]

Very possibly. But like I said, it makes more sense to me for them to hold on to these chips until they are really needed. For all we know, yield problems may only be clocks, and few chips from each wafer have non-functional parts.

It would be asinine for them to release yet another card, with limited availability.

Speculation thread.......ACTIVATE!

no doubt.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Very possibly. But like I said, it makes more sense to me for them to hold on to these chips until they are really needed. For all we know, yield problems may only be clocks, and few chips from each wafer have non-functional parts.

It would be asinine for them to release yet another card, with limited availability.

The yeld problems have been solved. After Xmas the market will be flooded. Newegg has had 5850 for 3 days now.

 

[cadaveca]

I can only hope. they said the release of 5970 coincided with availability issues solved, but I have yet to see the availability problem fixed...I can get 5970 and 5850 locally, but no 5870.

 

[Easo]

Where did the OP go? xD

 

[Semi-Lobster]

I believe the chip you are refering to, the locked one, to be 5850, hence 1440 SPs. This would be the "720BE". Mind you, my 720BE unlocked, and is running 3.75ghz, 4 cores...

4890 stock must run out first, and hence my suggestion they wil lwait until at least march. With few apps that support DX11, there's little need to fill the price/performance gap.

The 5850 was purposely cutdown from the 5870 to get to a lower price bracket, much like the 4850 of the last gen. I am suggesting making use of defective but functional GPUs that would never be able to be used for a 5850 but could still be useable like what ATI did with the China exclusive 4860. I just think with so many yield issues (which are being resolved and should be fine by January) TSMC must have quiet the stock of functional but partially defective chips and a 5830 would be a good way to end the 4000 series and finally replace the 4890 which from what I've read, was the last R700 GPU to eol.