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Garbage Asus Software

Even on my laptop I immediately uninstall Armoury Crate, user UI is ridiculously unintuitive and clutter mess, instead I'm using G-helper. Simple enough program that has simple and easy-to-use UI to control what you need in a single window
 
I just avoided it out of habit on my latest board. It's amazing their software is still so bad and going back like 20 years. At least they're consistent!
 
Here it goes again:


I called it windows malware. I give them credit for going a bit into details and therefore shut up those who instantly disagrees. e.g. armory crate can be turned off, etc....
Asus armory crate is an option which activates itself with every uefi update with e.g. asus prime x670-p mainboard. It'S an option which pops up with a windows 11 pro installation without user intervention. Pop up window and executed already installer with yes and no button, see the video.

It provides no extra functionality according to the video. I used that asus mainboard for 2 years without asus armory crate. No loss of functionality.
 
We get it, your Prime was not an ROG and therefore it was shit.
 
Here it goes again:
What goes again? You mean a poster posting yet another 28 minute video I refuse to watch because what needed to be said, could have been said in just a couple minutes? If so, then you are right.

For example,
It provides no extra functionality according to the video
That took about 2 second for me to read and understand. Message received. Thanks for summarizing.
 
Prime and TUF boards aren't shit, users shouldn't have to accept a malfunctioning garbage board for not spending $700 on a motherboard either.
As for the security issues, not surprised because people keep complaining about it but buy overpriced Asus products anyway.
 
Prime and TUF boards aren't shit, users shouldn't have to accept a malfunctioning garbage board for not spending $700 on a motherboard either.
As for the security issues, not surprised because people keep complaining about it but buy overpriced Asus products anyway.
Disable it in the bios and you never have to think about it again. Not sure what is so hard for you and others to understand about that?

And everything to you is overpriced. Maybe find a different hobby?
 
What goes again? You mean a poster posting yet another 28 minute video I refuse to watch because what needed to be said, could have been said in just a couple minutes? If so, then you are right.
You don't have time to skim though a video, but you have time to complain about it here, ok then lol. These complaints over anyone posting a video are annoying, there are several issues that need a video format to show what is going on and these vulnerabilities take some time to explain.
Disable it in the bios and you never have to think about it again.
See the post from @_roman_ as that was already explained. After the next UEFI update the setting to force malware into Windows is on again, things like this which Asus doesn't bother to fix should be OFF by default. The average gamer isn't going to be digging deep into UEFI settings to shut off that setting which is also why this is a very serious issue.
And everything to you is overpriced. Maybe find a different hobby?
You're missing the point, ROG boards are overpriced for what you get compared to other boards, and they're still subject to the same vulnerabilities as the cheaper boards are. The elitism with ROG boards won't give another 100fps to run games better. But Asus fans defending a megacorp for their BS doesn't cease to amaze me. Thanks to people not voting with their wallet is a reason why the hobby has become stupidly expensive.
 
Yes, never trusted it on day one.
I just thought it was stupid that it has the capability to access the internet, but if you don't let it, you still have to install a driver lol. So dumb. So ever since I made that discovery on my first AM4 board, I just turn it off in the bios and save it to my profile. I have the driver saved in my driver folder.
 
You don't have time to skim though a video, but you have time to complain about it here, ok then lol. These complaints over anyone posting a video are annoying, there are several issues that need a video format to show what is going on and these vulnerabilities take some time to explain.

See the post from @_roman_ as that was already explained. After the next UEFI update the setting to force malware into Windows is on again, things like this which Asus doesn't bother to fix should be OFF by default. The average gamer isn't going to be digging deep into UEFI settings to shut off that setting which is also why this is a very serious issue.

You're missing the point, ROG boards are overpriced for what you get compared to other boards, and they're still subject to the same vulnerabilities as the cheaper boards are. The elitism with ROG boards won't give another 100fps to run games better. But Asus fans defending a megacorp for their BS doesn't cease to amaze me. Thanks to people not voting with their wallet is a reason why the hobby has become stupidly expensive.
What do you mean my TUF board isn't shit? Ive Dry Iced this thing several times, and at 250 bucks its still kicking. I run 6800mhz CL28 A-Dies and it performs rather nicely. Its missing 8000mt/s memory support and some RGB lighting effects. But has BT, wifi, pci-e slots, and really decent power delivery system does just fine for its price point.

Wow Armory Crate. Next thread iCue software is shit. Whats new? Its aimed to the limited knowledge user for advertising purposes. Just like when your installing your display driver. Its a fucking ad. Nobody needs to see the shit, but there's a sucker born every day... That's why we get shit software. More ways to advert
 
Did anyone really bothered watching the video?

It's not necessary to explain it in detail again.

-- Yes I dislike my asus mainboard. -- There is a AM5 uefi list on the web. It's clear that certain asus mainboards are low values one when they barely get an uefi update. Or they get an ueif update after several weeks. E.g. my asus prime x670-p mainboard from may 2023 - ~may 2025. -- check that spreadsheet yourself please https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...Ug-uLlv-Asa8/edit?gid=937453961#gid=937453961
 
I just thought it was stupid that it has the capability to access the internet, but if you don't let it, you still have to install a driver lol. So dumb. So ever since I made that discovery on my first AM4 board, I just turn it off in the bios and save it to my profile. I have the driver saved in my driver folder.

I beg your pardon. I'll write it shorter as it seems some have issues grasping the contents.

The issue was.

TPM is broken.
Windows 11 pro demanded TPM.
Only Fix:
Update UEFI of ASUS prime mainboard.
Update windows 11 pro -> Version jump
OUCH: Malware downloaded - as windows 11 pro needs an active internet connection for that.


I told that story several times in this forum:
My asus prime mainboard when I loaded the settings from the usb stick could not activate TPM again. TPM only works when flashing new firmware and not touching any settings.
I tested it after the windows 11 pro version jump.
Once TPM is disabled - It will not be able to turn it on. Regardless if ASUS mainboard says TPM is active or disabled.
I did that after the windows 11 pro version jump to determine the corresponding option in uefi. I did not load my profile from usb stick. I just wanted to verify the bug for me personally. Is it a bug? Is this the option. Yes it was that single option i touched. Yes the option is broken. I did not touch any other options. First option i touched was the correct one. DRAM was running with 4800 mt/s and so on. I did not write in the text. Save UEFI. Reboot into windows. Check with windows software. Reboot into uefi. ... and so on ...

-- This is a long term bug. With that I had armory crate pop up box already on teh box.
 
Your experience is not the norm, more of an outlier.
 
If you install AC, to uninstall it you need to use the uninstall tool, a separate download. AC literally installs soo much shit, and runs it. Totally not needed.
This goes back to, adds to and enforces what I said in post #11 above where I said,
I will go to great efforts to avoid installing any software that comes with hardware.

If you install their suites, you likely will get a bunch of programs you don't need, but frankly, probably don't want. Some may even be considered spyware - adware at least.
This is also a big reason I always build my own computers - because of all the extra junk that is pre-installed on factory made computers we (1) don't need and (2) do nothing to improve performance or security.

The worst, IMO, are the "trial" versions of software, notably security software like Norton and McAfee. They not only are near impossible to completely remove, but use intimidation and scare tactics to convince less experienced users that they WILL become infected if they don't cough-up their credit card and other personal information for their expensive subscription plans. :mad::mad::(

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You don't have time to skim though a video, but you have time to complain about it here, ok then lol. These complaints over anyone posting a video are annoying
Well, misrepresenting what posters have said or done is not just annoying, it is deceitful and dishonest.

I do not complain about "anyone posting a video". Small, to the point videos are fine, often providing great information and guidance. In fact, short videos, when done correctly, often "illustrate" a procedure or process in a much more understandable way then just words. So you simply are wrong and misrepresenting the truth :( when you accuse me of complaining about "anyone posting a video".

You would know if you bothered to read through this thread before posting to lambast me that the issue is videos that take 15, 20, 25 minutes (or even longer! :() to say something that could have been said in a couple sentences.

You would have seen in post #2 above where I asked for a summary (without complaining, BTW), and no less than 15 people responded with "Likes" or "Loves" for my post! And even more posted comments in agreement.

You would have seen where the OP (@FreedomEclipse) nicely did just that by posting a concise "TLDR" summary in just 1 sentence!! :) And you have seen where the poster of this latest epic video even thanked him for that summary!

If you had bothered to read through this thread you would have seen where NO ONE disagreed with me - except you. So, I guess you're right and everyone else is wrong? Is that how it works? :kookoo: :rolleyes:

FTR, I have no problem with folks posting videos. I have posted a few myself. But pretty sure none of mine have been more than 5 minutes (in fact, 3 might be the longest). And even then, I point to the timestamp in the video where the key point is being made so they don't have to waste their time viewing the whole thing - unless they want to.

So to be clear, my problem is with the video, not the poster (my apologies to @_roman_ for not making that more clear) and I (and others) already explained why. They take 15, 18, 20, 25 plus minutes to say what could have been said in a couple sentences or 5 minutes or less.

Why? To get more sponsors? IDK - but most are a big waste of time.

And curious? How does one "skim" through a video anyway? Put it Fast-forward? That's rhetorical - not looking for an answer so please don't bother to post a reply. I don't want you to waste your time.

Have a good day.
 
Can you just give a quick, one or two sentence recap? I hate these videos and don't watch them typically because they take 15, 18, 20, 25 or more minutes to say what could be said in one or two sentences.

Edit comment: Fixed minor typo.
Essentially a service is installed for driver hub to do its thing.
This service makes silent background requests to asus web server.
The service has flawed sanity checks, so instead of a specific hostname it will also accept other domains providing they have a subdomain that matches a regex search parameter.
It is able to pull down binaries and install them in the background silently as admin. These are not run if not signed by ASUS, however unsigned files are not deleted, so remain on the local file system.
Likewise it is not limited to specific file types.

So the exploit downloads a untrusted binary from a 3rd party server that is authorised by appending asus hostname as a sub domain, it then downloads an ini file which points the authorised installer to untrusted binary that was previously downloaded. It then finally downloads a installer signed by asus, and this then silently runs the untrusted binary as instructed by the ini file, all done silently with admin privileges.

If I understand things right, admin escalation is not needed, as the service can be accessed from a web page as is demonstrated in the video clip the author made, it has an internal method of access achievable over RPC from a web browser.

The real source is here, the video author just basically narrated the web page. I agree with you I prefer to read a wall of text than watch a slow narrated video.

 
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Essentially a service is installed for driver hub to do its thing.
This service makes silent background requests to asus web server.
Ummm, thanks but I wasn't asking what a service does. I know that. And I wasn't asking for new recap - we already got that, and more over a month ago.
 
Your experience is not the norm, more of an outlier.
I had actually installed Armory Crate once. I mean it isn't the greatest program, many functions did work. Controll all of the RGB and many mainboard settings on the fly. Used a bit of system memory of course and some cpu cycles. It didn't effect really the operation of the system in a nut shell. But Ive read a few stories like we see here.

Simply uninstalled the program and it was gone. That is one time Ive done it. But its just not for me. I like as few cpu cycles as possible and lowest memory usage as possible. Some people want all the software. Lol. To each their own!
 
I had actually installed Armory Crate once. I mean it isn't the greatest program, many functions did work. Controll all of the RGB and many mainboard settings on the fly. Used a bit of system memory of course and some cpu cycles. It didn't effect really the operation of the system in a nut shell. But Ive read a few stories like we see here.

Simply uninstalled the program and it was gone. That is one time Ive done it. But its just not for me. I like as few cpu cycles as possible and lowest memory usage as possible. Some people want all the software. Lol. To each their own!
I agree,

On my system I don't run it, it is on my sons system though. But he has a 5800X3D so what cycles it does use he does not know any better :)
 
I agree,

On my system I don't run it, it is on my sons system though. But he has a 5800X3D so what cycles it does use he does not know any better :)
My kid cares less canr see the board in his case anyways. So isn't installed. I offered him a big upgrade in GPU and he said nauh. 6700 XT is more than enough I guess.
 
My kid is using my old Torrent Compact, and pretty much all of my old high end hardware lol.. he likes the rainbow lights :D
 
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