Google Teases Upcoming Custom Tensor Processor in Pixel 6

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Prices are just dumb...

 

[lemoncarbonate]

In regards to the Pixels, monthly security updates as well as prompt OS updates are the major factors for me. Great cameras and a "pure" Android experience would be the other important factors. The skins most companies slap onto Android are ugly as all hell as far as I'm concerned (I really don't like Samsung's). And before anyone says to just install my own ROM or whatever, no. Just, no. I used to do that in the past, but I'm old now and I don't care enough. I just want something that works and I still prefer Android over iOS.

My Pixel 3 officially loses support in October so I'll be looking to do a trade-in soon. Whether or not that's to the Pixel 5 or 6 remains to be seen. The 5a might also be an option but they haven't said much about it other than it's launching at the same time the 4a launched, which was in October if I remember right.

Pure android visual UI is very boring for me personally. I much prefer Samsung One UI to pure android, it also has lots of free theme to apply. Idk but I change my wallpaper and theme regularly, I get bored easily.
But I must agree that the Samsung's android before One was ugly and so bad.

I also got 3 years of update on my 2017 A series (ended in Q4 2020). My Note 10+ will surely get 3 or 4 years as well. Same as Pixel. I will be keeping my Note 10+ until it lags as hell or dies.

Well. in the end it depends on our own preferences , moreover, it's cheaper to get Note series than Pixel in my country.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

But Android Pure UI looks so unfinished when compared to certain other UIs on the market.

Half of the features of Samsung UI, as bloated as it is, arrive on pure Android years later...

Plus, it is Google - data mining company, not software company. It would be best if we could get phones with AOSP and everything else optional...

 

[medi01]

I'm hoping for more than 3 years

Which major vendor doesn't support own devices for at least 3 years???

It's one of the best ways to get a pure android OS without any unwanted bloatware

I've heard that many times.
Then looked at devices,
phones:
Galaxy S2, S5, S10, could not figure what is "bloatware" besides that stupid piece of crap that I would see if I swipe right (no swipe no crap though)
tablets:
Galaxy Tab, Tab S2, Tab S5e
Besides S5E not having audio jack and being artificially crippled into not showing HDR content, and that notorious "don't swipe right" thing, what else is "bloat" pretty please? (I'd also prefer software buttons to follow the "phone" logic of always being on the same side, but oh well, hiding them altogether and using gestures also works pretty well)

Tried non Samsung devices and most of the time it felt like combination of boring, bland and worse overall experience (outright ugly buttons, perhaps it also had to do with stuff not being OLED).

Other than that, what is there, DEX? It's not active unless you want it to.
Screen split and multi apps? Not active unless you use them either.

By any reasonable standard, what is that "bloat"? Icon's not looking ugly? It's such a minimalistic piece of user experience, it hurts.

My Pixel 3 officially loses support in October

So, it war released after S9, but is losing support before S9. Those "quick updates" seem to have hidden price to them.

 

[moob]

Pure android visual UI is very boring for me personally. I much prefer Samsung One UI to pure android, it also has lots of free theme to apply. Idk but I change my wallpaper and theme regularly, I get bored easily.
But I must agree that the Samsung's android before One was ugly and so bad.

I was talking about One UI when I said I really hated it. lol But I never change my background. I set it once and it hasn't changed since. I bought Nova Launcher thinking I'd want to customize things but I uninstalled it a while ago since I never used it. Pure Android is perfect for me as it's super clean. You're right though, it is about personal preference. Plus I can usually get a pretty good deal on Pixels through Fi here.

But Android Pure UI looks so unfinished when compared to certain other UIs on the market.

Half of the features of Samsung UI, as bloated as it is, arrive on pure Android years later...

Plus, it is Google - data mining company, not software company. It would be best if we could get phones with AOSP and everything else optional...

Do you think Samsung isn't collecting and selling your data as well? Because, spoiler alert, they are, or at least were. I haven't seen anything to suggest that they've stopped though.

I've heard that many times.
Then looked at devices,
phones:
Galaxy S2, S5, S10, could not figure what is "bloatware" besides that stupid piece of crap that I would see if I swipe right (no swipe no crap though)
tablets:
Galaxy Tab, Tab S2, Tab S5e
Besides S5E not having audio jack and being artificially crippled into not showing HDR content, and that notorious "don't swipe right" thing, what else is "bloat" pretty please? (I'd also prefer software buttons to follow the "phone" logic of always being on the same side, but oh well, hiding them altogether and using gestures also works pretty well)

Tried non Samsung devices and most of the time it felt like combination of boring, bland and worse overall experience (outright ugly buttons, perhaps it also had to do with stuff not being OLED).

Other than that, what is there, DEX? It's not active unless you want it to.
Screen split and multi apps? Not active unless you use them either.

By any reasonable standard, what is that "bloat"? Icon's not looking ugly? It's such a minimalistic piece of user experience, it hurts.


So, it war released after S9, but is losing support before S9. Those "quick updates" seem to have hidden price to them.

My Pixel 3 will be getting Android 12 day one. The S9 won't be getting Android 12 at all. My Pixel 3 still gets monthly updates whereas the S9 moved to quarterly updates earlier this year. If the trade-off is a few less months of security updates for Android 12, I'll take that. I'll give Samsung credit where credit is due though as they've been mostly great on keeping their newer devices updated.

And I can't help you on not being able to tell what's bloatware on Samsung devices vs a purer Android UI. The differences are obvious. Samsung quite literally replaces many Google apps with their own (and in my opinion, far inferior versions). And I've gotten used to not having buttons on Android 11 so that's not really an issue.

 

[medi01]

My Pixel 3 will be getting Android 12 day one. The S9 won't be getting Android 12 at all

I am planning to roll back from Android 11 to Android 10 on my Tab S5E, so, hell yeah, day one, oh wait, no thanks, doh.

And I can't help you on not being able to tell what's bloatware on Samsung devices vs a purer Android UI. The differences are obvious.

Had differences been obvious (bar "icons are uglier") I'd had noticed them, eh?

Samsung quite literally replaces many Google apps with their own

Oh, so it's not UI, but apps (something that you can install to suit your liking) oh, ok.
Good to know.

The only samsung apps I use conciously are clock (timer-shmimers), folder browser and calc.
All work just fine (I'd rather stick to older style icons, without dumbf*ck rounded rectangles, but that's a different story)

Exactly which app is causing "issues", dear "I install new android day 1"?

 

[Chrispy_]

Which major vendor doesn't support own devices for at least 3 years???


I've heard that many times.
Then looked at devices,
phones:
Galaxy S2, S5, S10, could not figure what is "bloatware" besides that stupid piece of crap that I would see if I swipe right (no swipe no crap though)
tablets:
Galaxy Tab, Tab S2, Tab S5e
Besides S5E not having audio jack and being artificially crippled into not showing HDR content, and that notorious "don't swipe right" thing, what else is "bloat" pretty please? (I'd also prefer software buttons to follow the "phone" logic of always being on the same side, but oh well, hiding them altogether and using gestures also works pretty well)

Tried non Samsung devices and most of the time it felt like combination of boring, bland and worse overall experience (outright ugly buttons, perhaps it also had to do with stuff not being OLED).

Other than that, what is there, DEX? It's not active unless you want it to.
Screen split and multi apps? Not active unless you use them either.

By any reasonable standard, what is that "bloat"? Icon's not looking ugly? It's such a minimalistic piece of user experience, it hurts.


So, it war released after S9, but is losing support before S9. Those "quick updates" seem to have hidden price to them.

If you don't like pure android then that's fine, Pixel is not for you.

If you need to see what bloatware comes with Samsung phones, just head over to XDA Develepors forums and look at the distros based on Samsung kernels because most of them list how much of the Samsung crap has been stripped out in the first post by the distro creator.

 

[medi01]

If you don't like pure android then that's fine, Pixel is not for you.

The talk about BLOATWARE needs to have something other than "icons do not look ugly" to it.

just head over to XDA Develepors forums and look at the distros based on Samsung kernels

So, to realize, that my phone (with which I'm DAYUM HAPPY) is loaded with "bloatware" I need to go to XDA forum, and deep dive into "other distros".
That's quite an effort, don't you think?

 

[Aleksandar_038]

If you don't like pure android then that's fine, Pixel is not for you.

If you need to see what bloatware comes with Samsung phones, just head over to XDA Develepors forums and look at the distros based on Samsung kernels because most of them list how much of the Samsung crap has been stripped out in the first post by the distro creator.

Well, if you judge it that way, you can compare AOSP to Google Android and discover huge amount of bloat Google added, no?

 

[Chrispy_]

Well, if you judge it that way, you can compare AOSP to Google Android and discover huge amount of bloat Google added, no?

Irrelevant to the discussion as the Google stuff is present on both Pixel and Samsung.

So, to realize, that my phone (with which I'm DAYUM HAPPY) is loaded with "bloatware" I need to go to XDA forum, and deep dive into "other distros".
That's quite an effort, don't you think?

You are making shit up because that's not what I said.

XDA Developers is the first place to go if you want an alternative distro on your phone and almost every distro posted will list that in the first post. Deep dive? Puh-lease..... I'm literally answering your query with what I presumed was common knowledge to anyone with half a clue about Android.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Irrelevant to the discussion as the Google stuff is present on both Pixel and Samsung.

Fair enough

 

[medi01]

I'm literally answering your query with what I presumed was common knowledge to anyone with half a clue about Android.

Ok, let me start with the fact that I've not only used Android for many years, but also developed apps for it.

I was chasing the FUD about "bloated UI" on Samsung phones, specifically.

I was telling you that I've tried numerous devices, and the major difference (pretty much the only difference) that I've spotted was ugly as hell icon set.

Now, if people who keep repeating "bloat" have nothing better to make their point, than "go to a random dude's distro, see he cut out major parts of it", that's pretty telling.

Now, there are indeed apps that are shipped with the devices that I cannot uninstall, but oh well, don't touch it and it won't stink.
That doesn't apply only to Samsung's crap, but also to Google's (that user experience crippler called "Chrome" for instance)
It is not something that is affecting one's user experience in any meaningful way. It is just too small compared to how much space you have on modern devices, on top of most of them supporting SD cards.

 

[Octopuss]

It's not like Google phones don't come with bloatware either, but the definition of bloatware varies person to person.

 

[Chrispy_]

Now, there are indeed apps that are shipped with the devices that I cannot uninstall

That's my definition of bloat. Samsung phones have uninstallable Samsung apps and modified UI that cannot be reverted to the default Android UI.
That is it. That's all there is to it.

You're getting way off topic and trying to swing the argument away from the initial point you decided to pick up on - you asked about the appeal of "google hardware" and I said "for a pure Google experience".

I'm not arguing that Google installs stuff you don't want or don't like, I'm simply pointing out that some people actively choose to buy into the Google ecosystem the same way that some people actively choose to buy into the Apple ecosystem or Samsung ecosystem. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it, but it's fact that cannot be argued because that is the preferred choice of those people.

 

[Octopuss]

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[medi01]

That's my definition of bloat. Samsung phones have uninstallable Samsung apps and modified UI that cannot be reverted to the default Android UI.
That is it. That's all there is to it.

You're getting way off topic and trying to swing the argument away from the initial point you decided to pick up on - you asked about the appeal of "google hardware" and I said "for a pure Google experience".

I'm not arguing that Google installs stuff you don't want or don't like, I'm simply pointing out that some people actively choose to buy into the Google ecosystem the same way that some people actively choose to buy into the Apple ecosystem or Samsung ecosystem. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it, but it's fact that cannot be argued because that is the preferred choice of those people.

Ok, to be clear here: "bloated UI" is what I hear, and nothing in UI looks as such to me, rather than that, I see "better looking icons/colors/fonts". (and that doesn't need more resources, doh)

But I guess you like the "pure google" UI better, welp, ok.

All in all, I hope you agree that a few MBs of uninstallable crap in the distribution barely affects user experience (understandably, UI being different does)

 

[Chrispy_]

Ok, to be clear here: "bloated UI" is what I hear, and nothing in UI looks as such to me, rather than that, I see "better looking icons/colors/fonts". (and that doesn't need more resources, doh)

But I guess you like the "pure google" UI better, welp, ok.

All in all, I hope you agree that a few MBs of uninstallable crap in the distribution barely affects user experience (understandably, UI being different does)

As per my original comment, Samsung bloat is much better than it used to be. I'm almost okay with the UI as of the S10, but in the S2, S5, and S7 days the UI was unpleasant and inconsistent - the Samsung fonts and styles conflicted with all other android fonts and stlyes, the Samsung bloatware was bad on both system resources and battery life, and in those days carrier crap was baked into the OTA updates in addition to the uninstallable trialware/content delivery (datamining) that Samsung themselves were pushing on you.

My S2+ more than doubled its battery life and responsiveness when I moved away from the official Samsung ROM/kernel. It was a tangible night/day difference. The S7E gains were smaller but they never released an unlocked kernel for that so all of the shitty, pointless Samsung services for apps I didn't even have in my LineageOS ROM were still sitting there, crunching CPU cycles and RAM.