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GPU, CPU And PSU Upgrade And Bottleneck Questions And Other Queries

^ +1 that's what I'd do if it were me.
6800 XT and new PSU for now, save up for the 1440p high refresh display (or 240hz / 1080p if that's his preference).
 
Double-Click said:
Don't get a 60hz 2k panel. If a 144hz/165hz 1440p panel is out of price range go with a higher refresh @ 1080p.
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I asked him he is open to hi refresh rate 1080p but checking some benchmarks 1440p hi refresh rate doesnt make sense for an rx 6800 xt nor his processor, even if its upgraded to a 5800x3d.
I checked with new games (all latest updates) TLoU, Crysis 3 Remastered, Hogwarts Legacy, Metro Exodus, Gollum, Layers Of Fear, Witcher 3 Remastered, Star Wars Survivor, Dead Island 2, Cyberpunk, Atomic Heart and the average is just 79.8 fps.
He says he will get the hi refresh rate 1080p before december (Stalker 2 Release).
claes said:
Or just don’t upgrade the monitor at all until you can afford a fast 1440p monitor and a GPU to support it
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1440p is a very demanding resolution for new games, dont you think?
Double-Click said:
^ +1 that's what I'd do if it were me.
6800 XT and new PSU for now, save up for the 1440p high refresh display (or 240hz / 1080p if that's his preference).
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I already did say about a new PSU, in my original post, I even allocated a budget for it. The upgrade is for GPU+CPU+PSU, I stated it before.
 
I think 1440p is the average enthusiast resolution now, with 4K being the halo.

I think what people are trying to say is that the CPU isn’t the bottleneck as much as the GPU.

Personally I’d put the cpu money towards a GPU and wouldn’t bother with >144hz, especially if they’re playing against bots. 1440p will be much more of an upgrade, especially if upgrading from a 1080p 27”.
 
8tyone said:
But can this handle the spikes 6800xt creates that Mr tabascosauz pointed out in his post here?
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Yes, the PSU I recommended will take care of that. The graph that @tabascosauz referenced shows that the 6800XT can momentarily consume 580 W. Your friend's stock 5600X will use about 75 W under load, and the rest of his PC should be about 50 W. A quality 850 W unit will still offer a ~150 W buffer in a worst case scenario.

EDIT: Just noticed your friend has 4 HDDs installed. In such case add another 40 W to the 50 W I mentioned. An 850 W PSU is more than enough power for his upgraded rig all the same.

8tyone said:
would you choose an 1080p 144hz monitor or 1440p 60hz nonitor for single player only gaming?
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Only your friend can answer that question, as every gamer's needs may be different. For single player titles I would say that higher resolution and more detail add more to the experience than 144+ frame rates with constant drops and reduced detail. Personally, I'm content with 60fps with similar 1% and 0.1% lows, i.e. consistent frame times. It's the percentile lows that make for a smooth, fluid gameplay, not the averages or maximums.

8tyone said:
checking some benchmarks 1440p hi refresh rate doesnt make sense for an rx 6800 xt
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The 6800XT is a solid performer at 1440p, it will hold 90 fps in most titles on ultra. It is even capable of 60 fps at 4K in many games.
 
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Lot of things that don't make sense here tbh.

Likes singleplayer and "ultra".
Prefers 1080p 75 Hz and no ray tracing.
Thinks a 6800xt or 4070 can't do 1440p high refresh.

Etc.
 
dgianstefani said:
Lot of things that don't make sense here tbh.

Likes singleplayer and "ultra".
Prefers 1080p 75 Hz and no ray tracing.
Thinks a 6800xt or 4070 can't do 1440p high refresh.

Etc.
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Its dlss, fsr and frame regen. that is not needed. RTX is just not preferred because its just so demanding.

He is coming to my house tomorrow. He is spending so much already I'll just tell him to get a new system with a better monitor. I will wait till tomorrow then. Thank you everyone for putting up with me.
 
8tyone said:
AMD R5 Ryzen 5600X + Deepcool AK400
Asrock B550 Pro4
MSI Mech RX 6600
2x 16GB 3600MHz C18 RAM
TeamGroup MP33 Pro 1TB SSD + 4x 7200rpm 4TB HDD's
CM Force 500 Cabinet
Acer Nitro QG271 Monitor
Silverstone 650 Watts PSU Antec Atom 650w
Cyberpower 2200VA UPS
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Agree with most of the comments that recommend a PSU+GPU upgrade on limited budget. If he can stretch his budget, go for the 6800XT it's a great 1440p card that will just slay @1080P.
 
Look for 6800XT on sale. When you pair that with any AM4 CPU you are Golden. The only thing the 6800XT can not do is support 4K at 144Hz. If you get a 5800X3d prepare to see the most VRAM and RAM usage to drive consistently smooth and high frames. When it comes to Frequency the 6800XT is rock solid. It would be a waste at 1080P but 1440P 165Hz (32QC) will be so smooth you will get that compelling smile that happens you get hardware that you can feel make a difference.
 
My 6700 XT is relaxing at 1080p in most games so buying a 6800 XT solves his 1080p problems for a LONG time as 6800 XT is way more capable. As peeps mentioned above, buying new PSU is a must, I don't trust his PSU. Go for something like Chieftec 750 W with 80+ silver shield on it, must be enough for a 6800 XT. But I truly recommend lowering GPU core clocks by 200 MHz so the card won't spike the PSU out in their entire lifetimes.

6800 XT will also allow for going 1440p monitors with 100ish refresh rates without a doubt. FSR doesn't look awful at 1440p, unlike its terrible performance at 1080p, so your mate will probably not notice 1080 to 1440p switch performance-wise but catches a little more beaut in the image quality if he stares from close enough (PPI * D >= 4000, where PPI is Pixels Per Inch in his display, and D is his eyes' distance from that display in inches).

Oh by the way, buying an "overkill" card is not a bad idea at all. Relaxing card will live longer than that performing at its max still not allowing for comfortable framerate. Lower noise and heat ratios will come in handy, too.

CPU-wise, my only answer is WAIT TILL 7800X3D-BASED PLATFORM BECOMES AFFORDABLE. Buying any higher tier AM4 CPU is a waste of effort.
 
I talked to my friend today. He is willing to wait for a month for RX7700/RX7800 (I highly doubt it) or get the RTX 4070. I would like to ask since RTX 4070 consumes so less power with respect to an RX6800XT, even lower than an RTX 3060Ti, which PSU to take (please look into pcpricetracker.in)? extreme.outervision.com states a PSU rating of 551W, would a 650W PSU be more than enough? If more wattage is needed how much more should he get? 750W? A high end PSU is not needed. RGB and modular wires are not his priorities, nor a very long warranty (he would probably sell it off in less than 2 yrs.). A max budget of 5500INR can be take as a reference.
Also, would upgrading to a Ryzen 5800X be worth it (please consider for only gaming)?
Thanks and please do reply.
 
5800X3D is the only CPU upgrade option worth considering for that platform.

Grab the 4070 now, I doubt 7800XT will be any better than the rest of RDNA3, pricing won't reflect reality either.
 
dgianstefani said:
5800X3D is the only CPU upgrade option worth considering for that platform.

Grab the 4070 now, I doubt 7800XT will be any better than the rest of RDNA3, pricing won't reflect reality either.
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5800X3d is really costly here, its 4000INR costlier than a 7700x! Going to a new system is cheaper than upgrading to 5800x3d.
What about the PSU?
 
dgianstefani said:
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How much wattage should I get?
Off the first page CX-M Corsair is out of stock. If I tick the "Great Value" award check box there is the Corsair VS which is out of stock too. There is the CX RGB available here but is extremely costly at 8500INR! There is the XPG Pylon 750w no frills "Highly Recommended" PSU which is just under my budget. Or get the Pylon 650w (sweetspot for the budget) can this be considered a good psu, there is no review for it though? Thats why asked you the wattage.
 
8tyone said:
How much wattage should I get?
Off the first page CX-M Corsair is out of stock. If I tick the "Great Value" award check box there is the Corsair VS which is out of stock too. There is the CX RGB available here but is extremely costly at 8500INR! There is the XPG Pylon 750w no frills "Highly Recommended" PSU which is just under my budget. Or get the Pylon 650w (sweetspot for the budget) can this be considered a good psu, there is no review for it though? Thats why asked you the wattage.
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If you have the Antec Atom B650w 80+bronze PSU you can just keep it since it has 2 x 8 pin PCIe connectors.
For the RTX 4070 you can see on Nvidia's page:
Required System Power: 650W
Supplementary Power Connectors: 2x PCIe 8-pin cables (adapter in box) OR 300 W or greater PCIe Gen 5 cable
 
Devon68 said:
If you have the Antec Atom B650w 80+bronze PSU you can just keep it since it has 2 x 8 pin PCIe connectors.
For the RTX 4070 you can see on Nvidia's page:
Required System Power: 650W
Supplementary Power Connectors: 2x PCIe 8-pin cables (adapter in box) OR 300 W or greater PCIe Gen 5 cable
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Atom B series is a terrible PSU.

It's supposed wattage number is irrelevant.
 
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Everything has been resolved, thank you everyone who helped.
 
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