gpu heirarchy/performance/benchmarks- whos lying?

[inquisitor1]

I do like looking at toms heirarchy page to get a sense of performance but then websites and videos I see show one car run far beter then ranked

for instance saw a used 1080ti in mint condition for a good price. so comparing to a 2070 I also saw. I dont use that trash site many hate but technical city /gpu monkey or yt videos shows the 1080ti on top. so whos not telling the truth? I did notice the rankings not be accurate

this is for a backup pc to replace a 1070 which will replace an annoying rx590

does tpu have A good heirarchy list with performance levels?

 

[Frick]

So someone ranked the 2070 above the 1080ti? Do note that some sites take features into account, like RT amd DLSS. As usual reviews are the best, and if the cards are close enough in time they're usually in the same tables.

 

[inquisitor1]

So someone ranked the 2070 above the 1080ti?

toms site shows % of performance so thats what its based on in ranking. not "other" features. dont assume either. im talking about toms specifically. gpu monkey and tecnhicalcity dont rank "features". only performance

I pulled back from toms years ago. now the heirarchy list is seperated which makes his site worthless. I only prefer all gpu in one list comparison then for each gpu as that page is for the 2070 and I prefer a full list heirarchy. ive not seen one done well enough for me

 

[DaemonForce]

So someone ranked the 2070 above the 1080ti? Do note that some sites take features into account, like RT amd DLSS. As usual reviews are the best, and if the cards are close enough in time they're usually in the same tables.

This. Feature tables exist for a reason. When making your own comparison, do the same.
Benchmark sites will value a general/total mix of features and tie them in against performance.
You are going to do something completely different, especially types that bought in to the RX590.
Maybe you're a desktop gamer and value raw raster. Maybe you're a dev that needs high core clock, memory, etc.
Maybe you're just picking up a general purpose replacement that can do specialty work like high FPS video encode.
The benchmark sites don't know which camp you're in and neither do we. Gotta decide on what you value up front.

 

[inquisitor1]

ok, note to self, toms heirarchy chart is shet and not relevant to me. especially now with seperating the gpu list

 

[Bomby569]

those things are just a average, not all games will follow that hierarchy, it depends on a lot of variables: some cards perform better in 1080p or 1440p, drivers also play a large role in this, within the same gpu there is also variations in the AIB models, etc...
It's just to have an idea, not to take as an absolute truth.

 

[inquisitor1]

not to take as an absolute truth.

its not even close 1080ti destroys 2070 in every test yet they show the 2070 as better..margibally

The GPU benchmarks hierarchy 2025: Ten years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy, with over 80 GPUs tested.

www.tomshardware.com

now I remember why I dont frequent the site. its just I really hate graphs with lines instead of just stats like tpu show and its missing gpu in the lists. like that linked above so now I goto gpu monkey initially then yt videos.

many innacuracies with their list I have caught. they show x gpu performing higher then y when everywere shown Y destroys X significantly, like the 2 cards I mention. 1080ti destroys the 2070 in all websites I see and all yt videos

reminds me why psu calculators from newegg and mfr are lying ,worthless and innaccurate as they want to upsell u. I found 2-3 accurate ones

 

[Bomby569]

its not even close 1080ti destroys 2070 in every test yet they show the 2070 as better..margibally

The GPU benchmarks hierarchy 2025: Ten years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy, with over 80 GPUs tested.

www.tomshardware.com

now I remember why I dont frequent the site. its just I really hate graphs with lines instead of just stats like tpu show and its missing gpu in the lists. like that linked above so now I goto gpu monkey initially then yt videos.

many innacuracies with their list I have caught. they show x gpu performing higher then y when everywere shown Y destroys X significantly, like the 2 cards I mention. 1080ti destroys the 2070 in all websites I see and all yt videos

reminds me why psu calculators from newegg and mfr are lying ,worthless and innaccurate as they want to upsell u. I found 2-3 accurate ones

from here it's about 7% faster at 1080p ultra to be a fair comparison, and it's not a destruction, it's at best a marginal difference.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition Review

GeForce RTX 2070 is NVIDIA's most affordable RTX-capable graphics card today. We ran it through 23 games at three resolutions, and the performance results are encouraging. The card sits right between the GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti, with pricing lower than for the GTX 1080 Ti, and you get all the...

www.techpowerup.com

I see that chart has them kind of on par

maybe the issue is doing those nvidia style charts that are very hard to make and to read. But they do have better charts below, so maybe ignore those.

 

[inquisitor1]

from here it's about 7% faster at 1080p ultra to be a fair comparison, and it's not a destruction, it's at best a marginal difference.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition Review

GeForce RTX 2070 is NVIDIA's most affordable RTX-capable graphics card today. We ran it through 23 games at three resolutions, and the performance results are encouraging. The card sits right between the GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti, with pricing lower than for the GTX 1080 Ti, and you get all the...

www.techpowerup.com

I see that chart has them kind of on par

maybe the issue is doing those nvidia style charts that are very hard to make and to read. But they do have better charts below, so maybe ignore those.

sorry but yt videos show fps far more the 7% . no disrespect to you but well disagree and not relevant. my point is toms site lying but now I can confirm it

tpus charts is lacking gpus in the graphs so not relevant either. toms percentage list is easier to go back and forth quickly to compare. go from 980ti to2080ti to 4080 as compaison. with all due respect to tpu. too much clicking for fast comparisons but toms site is innacurate and is now out. gpumonkey technicalcity and yt videos now. I wish tpu would have a list like tom did but just % is enough

 

[Carillon]

everybody benches different games at different settings in different parts of the game. But the biggest differentiation is if ray tracing is part of the average, if the 1080ti runs it in software, the 2070 will be vastly superior, if the 1080ti does not run RT at all, the 2070 will be infinite times faster.

 

[inquisitor1]

everybody benches different games at different settings in different parts of the game. But the biggest differentiation is if ray tracing is part of the average, if the 1080ti runs it in software, the 2070 will be vastly superior, if the 1080ti does not run RT at all, the 2070 will be infinite times faster.

cool, all yt videos show 1080ti win in 1440 in everthing so not relevant. and 11gb is a plus and I dont worry about rt or fake framing. theyve gaslit people with that scam

 

[Endymio]

...now I remember why I dont frequent the site. its just I really hate graphs with lines instead of just stats....reminds me why psu calculators from newegg and mfr are lying ,worthless and innaccurate as they want to upsell u. I found 2-3 accurate ones

Sites like Newegg that sell components must provide for a higher safety margin in any calculators and other tools they provide, or potentially face liability issue. The extra $5 in profit they make off a larger PSU isn't a consideration.

As for the video card rankings, if you can't understand that 'performance' is a metric that varies wildly based on the medley of selected games, and the features enabled within those games, then you probably shouldn't read tech sites at all.

 

[inquisitor1]

then you probably shouldn't read tech sites at all.

thanks mom

Sites like Newegg that sell components must provide for a higher safety margin in any calculators and other tools they provide

haha cool story. just an upsell tactic. with gamers nexus video on newegg scamming, havent bought from them

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

everybody benches different games at different settings in different parts of the game. But the biggest differentiation is if ray tracing is part of the average, if the 1080ti runs it in software, the 2070 will be vastly superior, if the 1080ti does not run RT at all, the 2070 will be infinite times faster.

The entire point of benchmark is to be able to compare to others using the same hardware. Running a gaming then calling it benchmark isn't a benchmark, it's just average game play.
That is why there is horrible amount of inconsistencies in benchmarking now among reviewers. Canned or built in benchmarks are the only thing that remove those variables other than quality settings.

 

[Princess Garnet]

Different sources will use...

1. A different methodology

2. Different applications (read as, games and software)

...So results will vary. It's not (usually) that one is "lying", it's simply that using a different collective of software will naturally give a different average. That's how this stuff works.

Synthetics like Technical City, CPU-Z's "benchmark", and even Passmark can be thrown into the "ballpark at best, terrible at worst" group. I ignore those most of the time. Results that are arrived at using a collection of real world software (TPU, Tom's Hardware, Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, etc.) will be closer to reality, but you won't be able to compare those results from one source to another source and expect them to match. The reason is the variables/methodology used to arrive at the results will differ. Keep in mind that a larger sample suite will make it accurate, but will also hide the effect of edge cases, which do exist. This stuff is simply too much time to test (and retest for new BIOS, drivers, etc.) so it's not worth it.

As a user, generally, you want to be looking at multiple sources (ignoring the synthetics) and it will paint a picture of where things fall on average. Then be aware that edge cases will exist and any results done with a small sample of games/software may reflect that.

 

[Visible Noise]

gpu heirarchy/performance/benchmarks- whos lying?​

Nobody. Follow the money. Stop watching techtubers to begin with.

 

[ir_cow]

TPU is telling the truth. Always.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

So we are aiming to replace a 1070 with a 1080ti "for a good price" on a backup PC

What sort of money are we talking about? What is available in more modern (think 3070/6700XT/7700XT)?


I dont see much of a point in "upgrading" a card from nearly 10 years ago with something release 6 months later.

 

[Lew Zealand]

In general, the 1080 Ti's performance is:

as fast as a 2080 in DX11
as fast as a 2070 in DX12

Obviously there will be outliers but this is a decent rule of thumb. Of course once you factor in DLSS with Transformer Model, I might even take the 2060 Super over the 1080 Ti unless I really needed those extra 3GB VRAM. Which the 2070, Super, 2080, Super don't have either.

 

[dgianstefani]

RTX feature set worth more than even a 20% performance difference, let alone 10%.

 

[inquisitor1]

So we are aiming to replace a 1070 with a 1080ti "for a good price" on a backup PC

What sort of money are we talking about? What is available in more modern (think 3070/6700XT/7700XT)?


I dont see much of a point in "upgrading" a card from nearly 10 years ago with something release 6 months later.

post isnt about if its ok to upgrade to that gpu and its rude to say that. you dont know what I need it for, if a person may not need anything more. your opinion isnt relevant on this card and what I should upgrade. keep it on OP

RTX feature set worth more than even a 20% performance difference, let alone 10%.

thanks but have 0 interest in rt . those benches doesnt corrolate to any video against the 2070 and in fact 3060. in every single video 1080ti is better so who are you trying to convince?

 

[LabRat 891]

does tpu have A good heirarchy list with performance levels?

In the GPU Db, there's VERY rough and loose comparisons between all the cards. IIRC, that's mostly scraped from TPU's and TPU's Review Db's reviews, so it's largely old data, from systems built w/ CPUs, etc. of that era. If not, it's probably derived from raw compute specs.

"Take it with a grain of salt" is an understatement.
-Still, probably the best 'at a glance' source for basic performance expectations (relative to other cards listed)

TPU is telling the truth. Always.

TPU tries, very hard, to be as accurate as possible. The GPU Db and vBIOS Db are not infallible, however.

I do like looking at toms heirarchy page to get a sense of performance but then websites and videos I see show one car run far beter then ranked

for instance saw a used 1080ti in mint condition for a good price. so comparing to a 2070 I also saw. I dont use that trash site many hate but technical city /gpu monkey or yt videos shows the 1080ti on top. so whos not telling the truth? I did notice the rankings not be accurate

this is for a backup pc to replace a 1070 which will replace an annoying rx590

[*brushes off flamesuit, dons*]
Ask Grok, use "deepsearch" (for the first or most-detailed prompt), provide it as much detail as you're already aware of, and where you got that info.
From there, you should be able to ask it more-specific-to-your-needs/expectations queries about a given card's performance.

As-always with LLMs, ask/verify its sources, and work 'alongside' it, never treat it as authoritative or knowing more than you do.
If it starts quoting or using 'bad' sources, tell it to exclude them.

 

[inquisitor1]

Different sources will use...

1. A different methodology

2. Different applications (read as, games and software)

...So results will vary. It's not (usually) that one is "lying", it's simply that using a different collective of software will naturally give a different average. That's how this stuff works.

Synthetics like Technical City, CPU-Z's "benchmark", and even Passmark can be thrown into the "ballpark at best, terrible at worst" group. I ignore those most of the time. Results that are arrived at using a collection of real world software (TPU, Tom's Hardware, Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, etc.) will be closer to reality, but you won't be able to compare those results from one source to another source and expect them to match. The reason is the variables/methodology used to arrive at the results will differ. Keep in mind that a larger sample suite will make it accurate, but will also hide the effect of edge cases, which do exist. This stuff is simply too much time to test (and retest for new BIOS, drivers, etc.) so it's not worth it.

As a user, generally, you want to be looking at multiple sources (ignoring the synthetics) and it will paint a picture of where things fall on average. Then be aware that edge cases will exist and any results done with a small sample of games/software may reflect that.

Im going to stick by my point and that tom is full of shet as every site and video shows the 1080ti winning and even close to 3060 performance and I saw this with other cards they list is completely off and they are shown in a list where a card scoring % lower is higher on the list. tom is low quality to me and why i dont ever go there. visually the heirarchy list is better then anyones. its wide and not cramped to the left in a graph like tpu And it shows all the cards in one list. tpu u have to click endlessly to see specific scores maybe gn has one

 

[Lew Zealand]

those benches doesnt corrolate to any video against the 2070 and in fact 3060. in every single video 1080ti is better so who are you trying to convince?

What games?
What locations?
What settings?
What videos?

Rankings change significantly as these are varied.

The pics from here?

The GPU benchmarks hierarchy 2025: Ten years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy, with over 80 GPUs tested.

www.tomshardware.com

Yep, Pascal is screwy there, especially at 1080p. 1080 is about the same as 2060 and 5600 XT, not the 1080 Ti LOL. 1080 Ti is similar to 5700 XT. 1440p Ultra is closer to reality but Pascal still sits too low.

 

[inquisitor1]

As-always with LLMs, ask/verify its sources, and work 'alongside' it, never treat it as authoritative or knowing more than you do.
If it starts quoting or using 'bad' sources, tell it to exclude them.

you got carried away. its not authrotative and I understand some may get different score but should be in the ballpark. all videos and all sites show the 1080ti on top. and I can see many other cards listed higher but they have a lower % score. but I already knew the answer of whos lying.

theres bias for sure with these things and upselling is the game so putting a newer card higher will help convince some its better. I worked in advertising for 2 years. small things make a larger perceived difference

What games?
What locations?
What settings?
What videos?

Rankings change significantly as these are varied.

This pic?:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/qiWnVboCCfkk2JgVern39L-970-80.png.webp

Yep, Pascal is screwy there. 1080 is about the same as 2060 and 5600 XT, not the 1080 Ti LOL. 1080 Ti is similar to 5700 XT.

Calls into question everything else on the chart.

link looks dodgy, I didnt click