gpu heirarchy/performance/benchmarks- whos lying?

[Lew Zealand]

you got carried away. its not authrotative and I understand some may get different score but should be in the ballpark. all videos and all sites show the 1080ti on top. and I can see many other cards listed higher but they have a lower % score. but I already knew the answer of whos lying.

theres bias for sure with these things and upselling is the game so putting a newer card higher will help convince some its better. I worked in advertising for 2 years. small things make a larger perceived difference


link looks dodgy, I didnt click

Was supposed to be embedded pic but failed, changed it to link the webpage at Tom's.

 

[inquisitor1]

Yep, Pascal is screwy there, especially at 1080p. 1080 is about the same as 2060 and 5600 XT, not the 1080 Ti LOL. 1080 Ti is similar to 5700 XT. 1440p Ultra is closer to reality but Pascal still sits too low.

% scores are false on many cards

also they list cards that show lower scores higher on list. thats bs. its a bias upsell tactic. many who dont know will look at a card based on where it sits on the list and not compare scores and since the scores are false too, toms is full of shet. unreliable

 

[Visible Noise]

its a bias upsell tactic

Since when has Tom’s Hardware sold video cards, let alone four generation old video cards?

 

[inquisitor1]

Since when has Tom’s Hardware sold video cards, let alone four generation old video cards?

affiliate links. they put newer cards higher even when its not better. this gaming industry have many young folks who are easily convinced and impressionable who dont see the deception. they see higher ranked cards but dont see the lower scores to understand. add to the fact the scores are false. says everything about them

those numbers may be 4 gens old NOW but werent when new and released

 

[Dr. Dro]

affiliate links. they put newer cards higher even when its not better. this gaming industry have many young folks who are easily convinced and impressionable who dont see the deception. they see higher ranked cards but dont see the lower scores to understand. add to the fact the scores are false. says everything about them

those numbers may be 4 gens old NOW but werent when new and released

Sooo, what's your point? I have not understood what exactly is the purpose of this thread.

 

[inquisitor1]

Sooo, what's your point? I have not understood what exactly is the purpose of this thread.

wooosh

 

[boppingXQWB]

Maybe there should be a literacy test to sign up for TPU forums. So painful to read anything written by OP. Just incredible.

How hard is it to understand that cards perform differently depending on the games they are tested on. Jared has been testing forever and I assure you that he knows more about benchmarking GPUs than you at the very least.

 

[inquisitor1]

Maybe there should be a literacy test to sign up for TPU forums. So painful to read anything written by OP. Just incredible.
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How hard is it to understand that cards perform differently depending on the games they are tested on. Jared has been testing forever and I assure you that he knows more about benchmarking GPUs than you at the very least.

move along if it bothers you

in all games in all videos showing fps, 1080ti beats 2070. 12 post profile. maybe a toms fanboy who got insulted?

>Jared has been testing forever and I assure you that he knows more about benchmarking GPUs than you at the very least.

yea I was right toms fanboys reaching tpu. toms is low quality and a deceiver. not only ranking them falsely but % scores are biased

I said my bit. showed proof of deception and lies by tom vs everyone else including tpu who shows 1080ti better then 2070. bs the 2070 fps score. in EVERY game in every yt video shown, 1080ti wins. tomshardware is a deceptionist

 

[Endymio]

post isnt about if its ok to upgrade to that gpu and its rude to say that. you dont know what I need it for, if a person may not need anything more. your opinion isnt relevant on this card and what I should upgrade. keep it on OP

The rudeness in this thread derives almost entirely from yourself, directed against individuals attempting to help you. The tenor of your posts rather clearly expresses you're not looking for help or advice -- you're merely attempting to express your zealous views on the subject, and doing a rather poor job of it. Buy your 1080 and go away.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well 1080TI should be faster than 2070 in DX11 but also in DX12 not as much but still faster anyway I believe it's also much better OC card and have more memory....Anyway in 3DMark List Best Graphic Cards 2025 that currently is based on Steel Nomad(DX12) benchmark 1080TI is also faster but only just

 

[inquisitor1]

The rudeness in this thread derives almost entirely from yourself, directed against individuals attempting to help you. The tenor of your posts rather clearly expresses you're not looking for help or advice -- you're merely attempting to express your zealous views on the subject, and doing a rather poor job of it. Buy your 1080 and go away.

your not helping so dont push your delusional propoganda "youre helping"
. ive proven otherise they are deceptive scores and ranking and theres a few there actually who show cards higher then they should

you post your condescending remarks trying to dissmiss so im going to defend my stance with you threwing first nasty comments like " if you can't understand that 'performance' is a metric that varies wildly based on the medley of selected games, and the features enabled within those games, then you probably shouldn't read tech sites at all." ive seen the games 1080ti beats 2070 in 95% of them

and then you complain you get a counter? seriously? you get what you give. even dro(you knew my point. youre a smart guy and playing dumb is not a good look) was borderline rudeness. dont like the post , just move on.

if tpu shows 1080ti besting 2070 and all sites and all yt videos clearly show 1080ti beating 2070, toms site is a shill. and I get it and have proven it there are a lot who work in the industry defending their rep and market. I was in advertising for 2 years, I know how it works

admins maybe lock this post cause well go back and forth endlessly.

tpu is real and legit and tomshardware is a deceptive shill

 

[Princess Garnet]

Im going to stick by my point and that tom is full of shet as every site and video shows the 1080ti winning and even close to 3060 performance and I saw this with other cards they list is completely off and they are shown in a list where a card scoring % lower is higher on the list. tom is low quality to me and why i dont ever go there. visually the heirarchy list is better then anyones. its wide and not cramped to the left in a graph like tpu And it shows all the cards in one list. tpu u have to click endlessly to see specific scores maybe gn has one

Well I'm not necessarily saying particular sources are either great or terrible, since that's not a discussion I'm going to have. I personally think it's silly to look only at a single source. While I did give examples, I was mostly giving them to say that the ones that deal in synthetics or theoretical matters are ones you shouldn't give much thought to, and that ones dealing with aggregating real world software are going to give "real world results" and have more weight. If people have biases for or against certain sources for a given reason, that is their business and I'm not going to try and change their mind. Synthetics have their place and often they can be close to the average, but many times they are way off, and I never use them as a substitute for real world results.

I was mostly replying to say why different sources show different results, since that was one of the things you asked. That happens not necessarily because a source is "lying", but because there is no singular measure of performance. Sometimes a different methodology or a different suite of software produces those different results. Remember, it would be too time consuming to run tests on everything, and then to re-run them all the time to keep them updated, so test suites are often on the smaller side. That explains the variance. Often the variance isn't large, but sometimes it can be if a particular methodology or software suite has outliers.

As for the GTX 1080 Ti, to my understanding, it certainly loses to the RTX 3060 at times (sometimes pretty badly) and sometimes it wins. Similar story with the RTX 3050/GTX 1070.

 

[Dr. Dro]

"I don't like what I've read. Therefore it must be a lie because everyone should think like me, and if they don't they're untrustworthy charlatans" is quite literally everything I've deduced from this thread thus far

 

[inquisitor1]

As for the GTX 1080 Ti, to my understanding, it certainly loses to the RTX 3060 at times (sometimes pretty badly) and sometimes it wins. Similar story with the RTX 3050/GTX 1070.

yes, this is true. I saw the 1080 ti come close to 3060 levels b but toms is saying 1080ti loses to the2070 and thats bs.

"I don't like what I've read. Therefore it must be a lie because everyone should think like me, and if they don't they're untrustworthy charlatans" is quite literally everything I've deduced from this thread thus far

nope. nice try though. every single site, and every yt video shows the 1080ti beating the 2070 including tpu, (do you also dissmiss tpu's accuracy) and tom the shill shows the 2070 above the 1080ti so if 99% of sites show it and toms shows something else, then either their testing method is crap, or theyre shills with an agenda

but youve dissmissed yourself already. to me youre out and your pov is irrelevant. you looked bad with your play dumb comment above. had you just said "whats the point of your post" but the added comment after showed your true agenda.

the accurate comment is "I don't like what I've read. as 99% of all sites clearly show the 108ti ahead including tpu which we regard as accurate, Therefore tomshardware must be lying for bias purposes or bad testing and either way nulls them as reliable"

but nice way to try and manipulate the truth. dissmisses you a 3rd time. youre out

 

[AleXXX666]

I do like looking at toms heirarchy page to get a sense of performance but then websites and videos I see show one car run far beter then ranked

for instance saw a used 1080ti in mint condition for a good price. so comparing to a 2070 I also saw. I dont use that trash site many hate but technical city /gpu monkey or yt videos shows the 1080ti on top. so whos not telling the truth? I did notice the rankings not be accurate

this is for a backup pc to replace a 1070 which will replace an annoying rx590

does tpu have A good heirarchy list with performance levels?

2070 will prob last more than *annoying* 1080Ti hot BS.

 

[inquisitor1]

2070 will prob last more than *annoying* 1080Ti hot BS.

yes, what was nvidia thinking to make that 1080ti hot bs haha. horrible card haha, thank goodness for that non hot bs 2070

 

[_roman_]

I dont use that trash site many hate but technical city /gpu monkey or yt videos shows the 1080ti on top.

You mean those fake youtube videos where they have all videocards available and show "benchmarks"?

do you really think a youtuber has access to so many videocards and processors and mainboards? And all the time for such benchmarks?

-- I miss userbenchmark in your list of not reliable information source for benchmarks. +yt-videos +cpu-monkey


I wrote the comment for those who are new to this topic. Also consider how much you get for a youtube-video and what all the parts are costs. That business modell does not work.

-- i would consider that yt-channel / website more on the trustworthy side

I remember they compared it. You also see quite often in their videos -tehy have the hardware. It does not really matter that the article is 1 year old. You are into retro gaming anyway with a 1000 nvidia gpu.

The Greatest GPU of All Time: NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti & GTX 1080 2024 Revisit & History | GamersNexus

GPUs The Greatest GPU of All Time: NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti & GTX 1080 2024 Revisit & History May 6, 2024 Last Updated: 2024-05-06 We revisit the GTX 1080 Ti with modern gaming benchmarks and examine sensible upgrade options The Highlights The GTX 1080 Ti offered exceptional performance and value for...

gamersnexus.net

 

[Princess Garnet]

yes, this is true. I saw the 1080 ti come close to 3060 levels b but toms is saying 1080ti loses to the2070 and thats bs.

How come though? If you can accept one of the two (between the RTX 2070 and RTX 3060) can be similar, then you shouldn't have a hard time believing the other can be. The relative performance charts here on TPU have the RTX 3060 12 GB and RTX 2070 within 2% of one another. That's a difference so small that it's margin of error or basically run to run variance.

For clarity though, TPU has the GTX 1080 Ti ahead of both... but it's only by ~10%. When you're looking at differences that barely break single digit percentage, in my mind, that could be described as "the same performance". Measurable, but not noticeable. And it's small enough to where particular methodologies/certain software suites may swing things against its favor. That's probably what happened with Tom's Hardware results.

Anyway, if the majority of results on the wider web paint a particular picture, in this case that would mean having the GTX 1080 Ti slightly ahead, then that is what I would believe. And it's probably generally the case... but at the same time, newer examples of games or scenarios (stuff involving mesh shaders, ray tracing, or DLSS come to mind) may start to favor the RTX cards more and that slight advantage the GTX 1080 Ti had may shrink or even reverse.

 

[ir_cow]

Remind me, whats the point of this thread? 1080 Ti beats RTX 2070 and the RTX 2070 Super matches the Titan Xp.

Only thing missing here is the RTX can do DLSS and Raytracing, The GTX cannot.

 

[inquisitor1]

Remind me, whats the point of this thread?

its partly the point but not the main point. my "point" is said clearly, multiple times and part of the "point" which is the small part, doesnt have to be specific to those cards. my major point is said in topic of the post. whos lying.

its evident tpu is legit and trustworthy and is consistent with every other site. tomshardware either has shetty testing in games (shown above the games used) or what I believe is they have an agenda/bias to push newer cards even though they arent better then others EVERYONNE else show as better. shill untrustworthy and unreliable company. thats the major point

 

[ir_cow]

Do you have a link to this list you keep referring to? The only thing I can find on Toms is Best GPUs 2025 and the last review doesn't even have a 1080 Ti tested.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

Damn.......youtube, gpu-monkey, and technical city are authoritative sources now?

 

[inquisitor1]

Damn.......youtube, gpu-monkey, and technical city are authoritative sources now?

better then tomshardware. but lets just look at 1-TPU. ill take TPUs word anyday over toms

Do you have a link to this list you keep referring to? The only thing I can find on Toms is Best GPUs 2025 and the last review doesn't even have a 1080 Ti tested.

The GPU benchmarks hierarchy 2025: Ten years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy, with over 80 GPUs tested.

www.tomshardware.com

yea they just updated the list so only newer cards. its completely garbage to me now

Damn.......youtube, gpu-monkey, and technical city are authoritative sources now?

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition Review: Mid-Range Turing, High-End Price

www.anandtech.com

also shows 1080ti outperforming 2070.

and TPU also showing the same

and if you look closer, tom has a few cards he noted performing better then older cards when it simply isnt true

so there is 2 legit sites and all the other non "legit" sites and ALL say the same except tom

toms is a shill fake azs

 

[Endymio]

Do you have a link to this list you keep referring to? The only thing I can find on Toms is Best GPUs 2025 and the last review doesn't even have a 1080 Ti tested.

He fails to understand that, while the video cards themselves don't change once manufactured, their performance does indeed alter over time. Software released in 2016 is optimized for the cards available then, and quite differently than the software released in 2025. I rather doubt TPU retests every card in their database whenever a new one is released; quite obviously retesting old cards against modern software is going to result in disparities.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Damn.......youtube, gpu-monkey, and technical city are authoritative sources now?

As long as they appeal to one's personal biases, yes.

its partly the point but not the main point. my "point" is said clearly, multiple times and part of the "point" which is the small part, doesnt have to be specific to those cards. my major point is said in topic of the post. whos lying.

its evident tpu is legit and trustworthy and is consistent with every other site. tomshardware either has shetty testing in games (shown above the games used) or what I believe is they have an agenda/bias to push newer cards even though they arent better then others EVERYONNE else show as better. shill untrustworthy and unreliable company. thats the major point

You're only making things worse. They aren't even remotely on the same tier, there are some tasks where the 1080 Ti is faster, perhaps even sizably faster - there are many others, which are more prevalent today where the RTX 2070 will crap on the 1080 Ti from such a height, it'd think God himself took a dump on it. And that doesn't necessarily matter, given they are both equally obsolete.

better then tomshardware. but lets just look at 1-TPU. ill take TPUs word anyday over toms

I don't necessarily agree with the editorial behind Tom's nowadays, and I especially dislike the publisher that owns the website (I'll never forgive them for turning PC Gamer into the Party rag), but I don't think they're (the people working on Tom's Hardware) to be even remotely close to the realm of being "false" and "untrustworthy" just yet. Let it go. A recommendation on 2070 over 1080 Ti is understandable from many angles and generally, not incorrect.

Now I have to bring into question: why on God's green Earth are you so peeved about what's basically ancient history by now? You shouldn't buy a 1080 Ti and you shouldn't buy a 2070. I kind of understand a Titan RTX on the cheap? Since it's got 24 GB and all. Anything else, 2080 Ti included, there are far better options on the market today for your hard earned money.