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Graphical card : performance and longevity

I guess its to late but i wonder how many of the people saying 5700xt actually have one :) i see Loads of people with issues with the card. ;(
 
killster1 said:
I guess its to late but i wonder how many of the people saying 5700xt actually have one :) i see Loads of people with issues with the card. ;(
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Did you miss all the Turing woes then? Its not uncommon for any new gen of cards. Drivers have been and still are problematic for Turing and people frequently report stutter problems too. Its not a fantastic gen whichever way you go.
 
Vayra86 said:
Did you miss all the Turing woes then? Its not uncommon for any new gen of cards. Drivers have been and still are problematic for Turing and people frequently report stutter problems too. Its not a fantastic gen whichever way you go.
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yea i missed it, if i bought a 2080 i would have issues?
 
There really isn't a lot of mystery here. But the best card you can afford. You system is 7 years old; so if your budget is high enough it doesn't really matter that your other components might bottle neck it. What's the point of "buying down" ? Let's say you are buying a house, would you buy a 1 bedroom now because you don't have any kids ? and then sell / rebuy s house with 1 extra bedroom as your family grows. No of course not/ But the best card you can afford ... then when it comes time to upgrade your other components, you can still enjoy the card.

Arguments against Ray Tracing and PhysX, to my eyes, are misguided.

You walk into a car dealership to buy an SUV and they have two models for the exact same price.

Whoopdedoo 2020 - with all the standard features, 18/26 mpg.
Whoopdedoo 2020XR - with all the standard features, 18/26 mpg plus optional 4WD and AC

"No, don't buy the XR, it only gets hot enough around here for about 15% of the days and not worth it for just 61 days in the year".
"No, don't buy the XR, it only snows 5 or 6 times a year so what's the point ?"

The point is on those 61 days when ya stuck in rush hour or beach traffic and its a sweltering 90+F, you you're driving experience is greatly improved. When you a stuck on the side if the road or afraid yo go out and get groceries cause you car doesn't do well in snow, then life is much better when you have real 4WD. Do you play games liek Witcher 3, Batman Anything, Fallout 4, Lords of the Fallen, Borderlands, Call of Duty, Metro, Mafia II ... if uou have a PhysX card, you certainly are not gpoing to play them w/ PhysX off.

It's not like either of those features cost ya money.

AIB 7950s were selling for $330 around the time of your build. Accounting for inflation (14%), your looking at $375. If that's a fit for what you have in mind then you're kinda between

2060 / 5700 and 2070 / 5700 XT. Prices are fot he better performing AIB models

The 2060 overclocked is faster than the 5700 overclocked according to TPU test results. Here I like the MSI Gaming Z ($359)
The 2070 overclocked is faster than the 5700 XT overclocked according to TPU test results. Here I like the MSI Gaming Z ($429)

The 2060 Super is on par with the 5700 XT and 2070 but all of the AIBs are running at about $29

If that's a stretch the 1660 Ti ($279 - 299) is a great card and the 1660 ($219 - $249) is a bit of a drop in performance below that.
 
John Naylor said:
There really isn't a lot of mystery here. But the best card you can afford. You system is 7 years old; so if your budget is high enough it doesn't really matter that your other components might bottle neck it. What's the point of "buying down" ? Let's say you are buying a house, would you buy a 1 bedroom now because you don't have any kids ? and then sell / rebuy s house with 1 extra bedroom as your family grows. No of course not/ But the best card you can afford ... then when it comes time to upgrade your other components, you can still enjoy the card.

Arguments against Ray Tracing and PhysX, to my eyes, are misguided.

You walk into a car dealership to buy an SUV and they have two models for the exact same price.

Whoopdedoo 2020 - with all the standard features, 18/26 mpg.
Whoopdedoo 2020XR - with all the standard features, 18/26 mpg plus optional 4WD and AC

"No, don't buy the XR, it only gets hot enough around here for about 15% of the days and not worth it for just 61 days in the year".
"No, don't buy the XR, it only snows 5 or 6 times a year so what's the point ?"

The point is on those 61 days when ya stuck in rush hour or beach traffic and its a sweltering 90+F, you you're driving experience is greatly improved. When you a stuck on the side if the road or afraid yo go out and get groceries cause you car doesn't do well in snow, then life is much better when you have real 4WD. Do you play games liek Witcher 3, Batman Anything, Fallout 4, Lords of the Fallen, Borderlands, Call of Duty, Metro, Mafia II ... if uou have a PhysX card, you certainly are not gpoing to play them w/ PhysX off.

It's not like either of those features cost ya money.

AIB 7950s were selling for $330 around the time of your build. Accounting for inflation (14%), your looking at $375. If that's a fit for what you have in mind then you're kinda between

2060 / 5700 and 2070 / 5700 XT. Prices are fot he better performing AIB models

The 2060 overclocked is faster than the 5700 overclocked according to TPU test results. Here I like the MSI Gaming Z ($359)
The 2070 overclocked is faster than the 5700 XT overclocked according to TPU test results. Here I like the MSI Gaming Z ($429)

The 2060 Super is on par with the 5700 XT and 2070 but all of the AIBs are running at about $29

If that's a stretch the 1660 Ti ($279 - 299) is a great card and the 1660 ($219 - $249) is a bit of a drop in performance below that.
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Sorry John, but buying the best you can afford is complete and utter bullshit advice. If you don't need the performance there is absolutely no benefit in buying into it, because perf/dollar doesn't get better higher up the product stack no matter how you twist it. The 2070 Super isn't bad in that regard, but its still a sizeable gap between it and Navi.

This was never about PhysX or RT. Its just that those features should not be a factor in the purchase. Because in this specific comparison, those features DO cost money. Even the 2060 Super is lower perf/dollar, albeit 4%, and the 2070S is much worse.

And then there is the argument on top of that, that any midrange card today won't be truly RT capable anyway so its much better to make your next upgrade cycle a bit earlier rather than later, so you can jump on the next gen more readily. Keeping money in the bank for that, especially with the current gen, is a very good idea and you won't capture that in a nice chart or comparison today.

And I also disagree that 'bottlenecking it today is fine'. Its not. Because you're still paying 100% of the cash up front and (again) the perf/dollar doesn't improve up the stack. You can also pay 90% up front, and have the performance suit your rig better, AND get a nicer perf/dollar. Time is a factor in GPU purchases because we tend to keep upgrading. You're overlooking that completely.

In a general sense though, I do agree its best to have the best GPU you can afford, but that really stops once you get to midrange and higher end GPUs.

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I'm comforted that even some passionates like you still debating what's the better choice is because until I really click and bought the card, I will doubt.
It's clearly demonstrating that it's not an easy choice to make.
 
torriep said:
I'm comforted that even some passionates like you still debating what's the better choice is because until I really click and bought the card, I will doubt.
It's clearly demonstrating that it's not an easy choice to make.
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Yeah we tend to go into that :P Sorry.
 
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