Has everyone read: Reasons We Share Personal Data section in Windows 10 Microsoft Privacy Statement

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They all don't do "it" (particularly to the same degree), and they all don't monetize the data they do happen to collect via third parties, unless you believe some companies are lying to the SEC and their own investors. This everybody does "it" blanket statement is simply not true.

They all COLLECT data.

I really doubt anyone, even microsoft, is actually profiting from this data beyond trying to provide a service to you. They may get kickbacks for showing relevant ads to your "interests" but beyond that, nothing more. Anyone thinking they are just willy nilly giving out your secrets for pennies on the dollar is a retard.

But it wasn't, SP is SP and .1 update is .1 update. I bet that Microsoft will not release any SP in Windows 8 supposed service pack support perriod.

It's a terminology change, nothing more.

Besides, weren't you the one who was just calling 10 a service pack? Irony.

 

[Deelron]

They all COLLECT data.

I really doubt anyone, even microsoft, is actually profiting from this data beyond trying to provide a service to you. They may get kickbacks for showing relevant ads to your "interests" but beyond that, nothing more. Anyone thinking they are just willy nilly giving out your secrets for pennies on the dollar is a retard.

Google was on his list, I'm quite sure they make more then kickbacks from showing "relevant" ads, which is a very different use then say, Apple's or Microsofts use of similar data (at least so far).

 

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Google was on his list, I'm quite sure they make more then kickbacks from showing "relevant" ads.

I didn't say they were small kickbacks. My point is that they just aren't selling your genome to the Alliance for the Restoration of the Soviet Union for their latest monkey-man project. There are limits on what is collected, how this data can be used, and they usually aren't nefarious.

The big risk is when this data gets acquired via hacking by parties with less than good intentions. And it does happen.

 

[Deelron]

I didn't say they were small kickbacks. My point is that they just aren't selling your genome to the Soviet Union for their latest monkey-man project. There are limits on how this data can be used, and they usually aren't nefarious.

The big risk is when this data gets aquired via hacking by parties with less than good intentions. And it does happen.

Oh absolutely, just a decent amount of what can be done right now with some of the internal data mining can do things like track my child's rough age and frequently visited places by season through Google photos which in principle is sort of neat in one way but in the wrong hands it'd be similar to stalking.

I know it's pretty crazy sounding, and I'm not saying it's happening at all, but I do wonder sometimes what the safeguards are for an employee accessing such things if they decided to. Just saying there's a big difference between data collection on frequently visited websites and data mining/tracking places visited from analyzing things like photos, and the monetization and goals from different companies vary wildly.

 

[kn00tcn]

What is the point of Microsoft issuing service pack support period if they are not going to release any service pack?

And do not talk with me about WDDM because if you install it, it will replace your AMD drivers and then CCC will not start because it does not recognize any device. Windows 8.1 offers me WDDM but if I install them instead of just being installed in the background if AMD drivers malfunction or are deleted they replace them and then you have to uninstall drivers for AMD card drivers (which are WDDM) and install AMD's drivers again.

We all know that Windows 7 SP1 without integrated updates is a big security risk because you have to download over 200 updates and this is not exactly secure and practical especially since you will be doing a clean install.

The point is Microsoft is not exactly supporting its products since (before non-security bug support for Windows 7 ended there were still issues which Microsoft did not fix) releasing a new product. Sure, it provides security updates but is is important to also provide other updates for which it promised support. And if one man can integrate updates into .iso Windows file why the hell cannot Microsoft release monthly updated .iso files for its Windows products? They have the manpower and money.


But it wasn't, SP is SP and .1 update is .1 update. I bet that Microsoft will not release any SP in Windows 8 supposed service pack support perriod.

we havent had .# updates since before win95 & SPs existed, but the end result is identical, the OS is almost identical, OS being the kernel & low level architecture, it doesnt matter if explorer.exe has a start menu added in win8.1 or not

what exactly are you talking about WDDM? i'm talking about the capabilities of specific WDDM versions that have to be supported by both the OS & the driver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model#History

once again, it's irrelevant if amd makes a buggy driver or if you install from their site rather than windows update, WDDM is a low level part of the core OS so major changes to it are major changes to the OS

obviously microsoft is impractical & sloppy, they should release updated ISOs with the security updates at least, but the other updates are definitely going to be a problem, some of them break games & software, others are features users dont want like the get windows 10 tray icon

now since MS has a history of not being elegant, the support schedules have nothing to do with any guarantee, all they mean is they're not going to refuse new updates in some form, whatever they may be, it's not a schedule like firefox has where they have the exact date of each version before it comes out.... so when winXP support ended, they refused to make new updates (other than those paid or embedded ones)

so based on that, MS is exactly supporting all their products as planned & as have been for many years, nothing changed

 

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They all don't do "it" (particularly to the same degree), and they all don't monetize the data they do happen to collect via third parties, unless you believe some companies are lying to the SEC and their own investors. This everybody does "it" blanket statement is simply not true.

All the companies are collecting data and the users do not know what they are doing with the data. There should be SpiderOak-like solution for all the data where user has the key to the data and not the company.

It's a terminology change, nothing more.

Besides, weren't you the one who was just calling 10 a service pack? Irony.

I see the irony here. But the fact is Windows 8.1 users are now "abandoned" in favor of Windows 10.

once again, it's irrelevant if amd makes a buggy driver or if you install from their site rather than windows update, WDDM is a low level part of the core OS so major changes to it are major changes to the OS

what exactly are you talking about WDDM? i'm talking about the capabilities of specific WDDM versions that have to be supported by both the OS & the driver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model#History

I am talking if I install this, CCC will no longer recognize the AMD graphic card because it replaces/overrides AMD drives:

I see what you mean, new OS get's new features which are included in new WDDM version and you also need new WDDM version for DX12.

now since MS has a history of not being elegant, the support schedules have nothing to do with any guarantee, all they mean is they're not going to refuse new updates in some form, whatever they may be, it's not a schedule like firefox has where they have the exact date of each version before it comes out.... so when winXP support ended, they refused to make new updates (other than those paid or embedded ones)

so based on that, MS is exactly supporting all their products as planned & as have been for many years, nothing changed

No they are not, there is a bug which happens when you are formatting external USB HDD and the memory usage for explorer.exe goes through the roof, it keeps building up until it consumes all memory. It was known for years but Microsoft before support for Windows 7 non-security updates ended did not fix this bug.

There is still also a bug in Windows 7 when you have to right click desktop and refresh it before you right click shortcut on the desktop for network adapter and enable it, because if you do not refresh it and the adapter was disabled at shutdown when you right click it there will be only option for disabling it which it already is.

 

[tabascosauz]

So...

I'm guessing that the worry stems from 2 sources:

1. People who distribute child pornography. No reason why these people should have any privacy from law enforcement.

2. People who worry that personal / work communications could be leaked from someone at MS.

For the first, well, I can see why such perverts would be up in arms about protecting their "privacy". An illusion anyways. Did we forget about the existence of the NSA?

For the second, well, don't you face the same threat from any hacker? It doesn't matter if the person who's after your information works or doesn't work at MS. If they have their methods, they'll steal your information. Plus, the EULA doesn't make MS immune from litigation if something does happen to you.

Lastly, just get ShutUp10 and quit whining. What's with the threatening "this is the last time I use Windows"? Not like MS cares, lol. There are plenty of things that can only be done on Windows, and MS knows.

 

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So...

I'm guessing that the worry stems from 2 sources:

1. People who distribute child pornography. No reason why these people should have any privacy from law enforcement.

2. People who worry that personal / work communications could be leaked from someone at MS.

For the first, well, I can see why such perverts would be up in arms about protecting their "privacy". An illusion anyways. Did we forget about the existence of the NSA?

For the second, well, don't you face the same threat from any hacker? It doesn't matter if the person who's after your information works or doesn't work at MS. If they have their methods, they'll steal your information. Plus, the EULA doesn't make MS immune from litigation if something does happen to you.

Lastly, just get ShutUp10 and quit whining. What's with the threatening "this is the last time I use Windows"? Not like MS cares, lol. There are plenty of things that can only be done on Windows, and MS knows.

It's a lot more than just those two groups. Pretty much anyone in this day and age has data they don't want generally available.

For the second, well, don't you face the same threat from any hacker? It doesn't matter if the person who's after your information works or doesn't work at MS. If they have their methods, they'll steal your information.

Ok, so let's pretend you're a hacker. What do you target? Joe's laptop or a massive datacenter with thousands of customers information?

They aren't after YOUR information per say. Criminals are after ANY information. Time has shown this repeatedly to be true.

 

[Uplink10]

I'm guessing that the worry stems from 2 sources:

1. People who distribute child pornography. No reason why these people should have any privacy from law enforcement.

2. People who worry that personal / work communications could be leaked from someone at MS.

Your attempt at compartmentalization failed because there is a lot more compartments in which the person would store their data (pun intended).

It doesn't matter why the person wants privacy, no matter what the privacy should be guaranteed and there should be an option to guarantee it.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

This is the beginning of the end of using MS products for my desktop OS. I don't use my smart phone (data, apps) much due to privacy concerns, and I am certainly not letting this attitude onto my main workstation. Finally I will be forced into using Linux on the metal and booting Windows in VirtualBox instead. My data doesn't need to live remotely, and my information doesn't need to be data mined.

Better not use the internet all together if you are worried about privacy. Maybe go live in a cave as well. Got all the privacy you need.

 

[kn00tcn]

I am talking if I install this, CCC will no longer recognize the AMD graphic card because it replaces/overrides AMD drives:

why doesnt that say WDDM2, are you implying you leave your old CCC installed? it's expected to not work if the driver changes... this is why it's common practice to NOT use microsoft provided third party drivers for many years

as for the text itself, it's just a label of this particular driver, it means nothing (well apparently it's saying it's not a wddm2 driver which is what you want on win10)

No they are not, there is a bug which happens when you are formatting external USB HDD and the memory usage for explorer.exe goes through the roof, it keeps building up until it consumes all memory. It was known for years but Microsoft before support for Windows 7 non-security updates ended did not fix this bug.

There is still also a bug in Windows 7 when you have to right click desktop and refresh it before you right click shortcut on the desktop for network adapter and enable it, because if you do not refresh it and the adapter was disabled at shutdown when you right click it there will be only option for disabling it which it already is.

yes they are, they have a history of leaving bugs, microsoft is sloppy

the schedule says they MAY fix it, that is, they have at least one person working on making updates in some form, whether those are security or otherwise doesnt matter

when the schedule ends, it means they officially refuse to put someone to work, whether it's a bug or security hole, it's that simple

support never means perfection anywhere, especially if it's something as complex as an OS / as crazy as legacy code / as greedy as major corporations

does the usb formatting affect ANY tool or just microsoft's formatter? i can try this myself, i have empty 4TB drives, you want me to? (keep in mind, windows caches disk writes/reads into ram to make it appear faster, have you ever noticed copying a large file to a slow drive goes one speed, but then copying it back is instant? this specific cache usage isnt even listed under explorer.exe, you have to look at 'available' vs 'free' ram in taskmanager)

one of my hobbies is making solutions & workarounds, so the network adapter thing is fine by me (maybe you should make a .bat or .vbs that will be guaranteed to work without needing a refresh)

 

[Uplink10]

why doesnt that say WDDM2, are you implying you leave your old CCC installed? it's expected to not work if the driver changes... this is why it's common practice to NOT use microsoft provided third party drivers for many years

as for the text itself, it's just a label of this particular driver, it means nothing (well apparently it's saying it's not a wddm2 driver which is what you want on win10)

I just thought it would be a good idea to have latest WDDM version installed underneath just in case I uninstall AMD driver or if I am using Windows To Go installation (USB version) and I am booting it with different GPU. It would be nice if latest version already came with .iso like WDDM 2 comes with Windows 10. WDDM 2 is probably available only on Windows 10.

does the usb formatting affect ANY tool or just microsoft's formatter? i can try this myself, i have empty 4TB drives, you want me to?

You can try, do not use quick formatting and maybe the issue will pop up but it does not happen on any system configuration. It happened to me when I was still using Windows 7 SP1, switched to Windows 8.1 because Windows 7 still has some errors when installing from USB device and you have to put USB drive out at some point and then put it back in, it is a pain in the ass.

(keep in mind, windows caches disk writes/reads into ram to make it appear faster, have you ever noticed copying a large file to a slow drive goes one speed, but then copying it back is instant? this specific cache usage isnt even listed under explorer.exe, you have to look at 'available' vs 'free' ram in taskmanager)

That is "Standby" RAM which can become available if application needs it but otherwhise it is caching.

 

[R-T-B]

Better not use the internet all together if you are worried about privacy. Maybe go live in a cave as well. Got all the privacy you need.

Because only cavemen are entitled to privacy...

 

[Frick]

This invasion of privacy actually keeps me up at night, yet many of you gentlemen consider it a joke. I was happy to cut the cable cord, but I'm thinking of cutting the internet cord as well. "This" isn't what I envisioned when I first hopped on the 'net in '92 using command line. It's turned into a nightmare for privacy and frankly it seems like quite a few of you that understand what is going on here are quite ok with it. This concerns me greatly.

I'm in the wrong place, you won't see me here again.

Best Regards,

Liquid Cool

I absolutely understand you, but you're way, WAY too late. Society as a whole is foobar, only a proper global mind-revolution or an act of god would change anything. We're screaming down a fiber optic cable that ends in concrete. The privacy concerns is just a tip of many, many icebergs.

The only thing one can do is voting with your wallet and actually do what you think is right. In the end, if I sell my beliefs for the latest GTA (which accurately sums up how civilization works), what does that say about me as a person? Nothing special, just being human. There is no dignity.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Because only cavemen are entitled to privacy...

Privacy is an illusion.

 

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Privacy is an illusion.

Perhaps. But is is something to be fought for all the same.

 

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OOSU10
http://www.neowin.net/news/shutup10-...vacy-with-ease

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Perhaps. But is is something to be fought for all the same.

I have nothing to hide in terms of my system usage so I don't really care regardless.

 

[broken pixel]

I have nothing to hide in terms of my system usage so I don't really care regardless.

Yay! A true fighter for the unjust systems the consumers feed upon.

 

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I have nothing to hide in terms of my system usage so I don't really care regardless.

It's bad logic to not care about something that's a real issue simply because it does not effect you, but your call.