Having occasional stuttering issues in games after possible memory leak?

[Magelawls]

Hey, this happend few days ago and I've tried search for answers, but didn't find answers or I'm just bad at searching, so I came here to seek help for my problem. I was playing minecraft fabric-loader 1.19.3 and one of the mods caused minecraft to freeze. I tried alt tabbing out since it was taking unusual amount of time to close and both screens went black for longer then they should. When I got to task manager it said I had low system memory and then both screen went black for few seconds, after that task manager was working fine, but all apps that I had open didn't respond so I just restarted the pc. Does this mean I experienced memory leak and why are my other games experiencing occasional stutters now? How should I proceed with this problem?

Bios and other drivers except os and gpu drivers which at the time were 21h2 and 526.98, now on latest and still experiencing it. Everything was playing buttery smooth before this, but now it's smooth with occasional stuttering. I have not done any overclocking either if that is something to note.

Here is my system:
os: win11 22h2 64
Asus rtx 3070 dual oc
i5 12600k
16GB ( 2x8 ) 3200mhz ram
msi z690-a pro ddr4
corsair rm750 psu
2x 2'5 samsung 860evo ssds ( os and games are separated )

Everything else is purchased this year except ram and storage drives. Ram sticks are only been in use for little over 2 years and I can't find the receipt for my drive that has games on, but os drive was from 2018 and I don't have any memories how far apart purchases were from each other.

 

[Vya Domus]

A memory leak would not have any kind of lasting effect, unless whatever caused it keeps happening all the time.

 

[Magelawls]

A memory leak would not have any kind of lasting effect, unless whatever caused it keeps happening all the time.

Thank you for the clarification. Any suggestions how I should approach this? This kind of problem has never happened before. I have afterburner running in the background and I don't understand much about it other then some of the temp numbers and none seem to be worried about.

 

[AusWolf]

I would start by running Windows Task Manager in the background, then alt-tabbing from the game (unless you have a secondary monitor), check what's using your RAM.

Also, can you check your page file settings? Running out of RAM shouldn't be such a serious issue unless your page file is too small, or disabled.

Welcome to TPU, by the way!

 

[eidairaman1]

Take the mod off

 

[Magelawls]

I would start by running Windows Task Manager in the background, then alt-tabbing from the game (unless you have a secondary monitor), check what's using your RAM.

Also, can you check your page file settings? Running out of RAM shouldn't be such a serious issue unless your page file is too small, or disabled.

Welcome to TPU, by the way!

Thank you for the suggestion and warm welcome. I've had task manager open on the second monitor after the freeze and not seen any problems with ram usage. Paged pool stays around 600-700MB and Non-paged pool stays under 500MB. That is normal, right?

Take the mod off

I think I found the one that caused it and it hasn't crashed / froze yet. Occasional stuttering remains in other games sadly.

 

[AusWolf]

Thank you for the suggestion and warm welcome. I've had task manager open on the second monitor after the freeze and not seen any problems with ram usage. Paged pool stays around 600-700MB and Non-paged pool stays under 500MB. That is normal, right?

How much RAM does the game consume with the mods? What is your max. page file size?

 

[Magelawls]

How much RAM does the game consume with the mods? What is your max. page file size?

I've allocated 4 gigs of ram for minecraft and it currently uses roughly 2,5 gigs. By max page file size do you mean total paging file size for all drives in virtual memory section in performance options? It's 6144 MB if you didn't mean that, I need help how to check it out and thank you for replying!

 

[AusWolf]

I've allocated 4 gigs of ram for minecraft and it currently uses roughly 2,5 gigs. By max page file size do you mean total paging file size for all drives in virtual memory section in performance options? It's 6144 MB if you didn't mean that, I need help how to check it out and thank you for replying!

You have RAM allocated specifically for Miecraft? Why? Maybe that's the problem, and you should let the game use as much as it needs.

Also, setting the page file size to Auto is recommended, imo. If it's a fixed value, and the system runs out of it for some reason, you'll see the aforementioned freezes and crashes.

 

[Magelawls]

You have RAM allocated specifically for Miecraft? Why? Maybe that's the problem, and you should let the game use as much as it needs.

Also, setting the page file size to Auto is recommended, imo. If it's a fixed value, and the system runs out of it for some reason, you'll see the aforementioned freezes and crashes.

I should have been more clear about it, I'm sorry. I allocated more ram via the minecraft launcher after the crash happend. I thought it crashed because of the default size being 2GB and didn't realize it could have been a mod that caused this. I have not yet played other games today besides minecraft and it hasn't crashed / freeze on me yet after deleting that mod so I can't comment how other games are running today.

Paging file is set to automatic and I don't really wanna touch it since I have no experience with it, haha.

 

[AusWolf]

I should have been more clear about it, I'm sorry. I allocated more ram via the minecraft launcher after the crash happend. I thought it crashed because of the default size being 2GB and didn't realize it could have been a mod that caused this. I have not yet played other games today besides minecraft and it hasn't crashed / freeze on me yet after deleting that mod so I can't comment how other games are running today.

Paging file is set to automatic and I don't really wanna touch it since I have no experience with it, haha.

Maybe it's really just the mod playing with you instead of you playing with it.

 

[Magelawls]

Update: I'm still having problems with occasional stuttering and now lower fps after win10 installation ( went back from 11 to 10 ). I installed drivers from motherboard manufactures site, tried other gpu driver with using ddu thinking it was the latest driver causing it. I've tried several tests testing out if it's ssds, but they show no errors. I don't know what to do anymore...

 

[AusWolf]

Update: I'm still having problems with occasional stuttering and now lower fps after win10 installation ( went back from 11 to 10 ). I installed drivers from motherboard manufactures site, tried other gpu driver with using ddu thinking it was the latest driver causing it. I've tried several tests testing out if it's ssds, but they show no errors. I don't know what to do anymore...

Do you still have the mod installed?

 

[Magelawls]

Do you still have the mod installed?

No. Haven't touched it ever since and it's confirmed by the dev/s of the mod that it has problems with latest drivers.

 

[AusWolf]

No. Haven't touched it ever since and it's confirmed by the dev/s of the mod that it has problems with latest drivers.

Do you see the same stuttering in other games? Maybe it's the game, or one of your game settings that causes it.

 

[Magelawls]

Do you see the same stuttering in other games? Maybe it's the game, or one of your game settings that causes it.

So far I've tried minecraft and bf2042 and they both stutter from time to time.

 

[AusWolf]

So far I've tried minecraft and bf2042 and they both stutter from time to time.

Is there a specific time when they stutter? For example, when you cross different areas, when moving the mouse, etc.

 

[Magelawls]

Is there a specific time when they stutter? For example, when you cross different areas, when moving the mouse, etc.

Loading areas/chunks and sometimes looking around causes it in minecraft and I've tried lowering the render distance between 8-16 and higher it goes, the worse it gets and it used to run so well and this wasn't a problem before freeze. In bf2042 i'm not that sure or I haven't seen any similarities in the stutters and cpu max usage is around 80-90%, don't know about the gpu usage cause it's bugged in task manager. I could ofc download afterburner and hwinfo to see if it's temp problem on cpu side. gpu has only gotten to 72c in task manager while playing bf.

I'm so confused and it's weird that it still continues after fresh install.

 

[AusWolf]

Loading areas/chunks and sometimes looking around causes it in minecraft and I've tried lowering the render distance between 8-16 and higher it goes, the worse it gets and it used to run so well and this wasn't a problem before freeze. In bf2042 i'm not that sure or I haven't seen any similarities in the stutters and cpu max usage is around 80-90%, don't know about the gpu usage cause it's bugged in task manager. I could ofc download afterburner and hwinfo to see if it's temp problem on cpu side. gpu has only gotten to 72c in task manager while playing bf.

I'm so confused and it's weird that it still continues after fresh install.

The CPU usage would have been my next question, thanks for answering. 80-90% on a 12600K while only gaming is a bit weird. Can you monitor running apps while you game? Possibly run the game in a window with Task Manager on the side.

Your temperature is fine, 72 °C isn't tragic for your CPU under near full usage.

In your first post, you mentioned that you have your games on a separate drive from your OS. You said you reinstalled Windows, but did you reinstall your games?

Can you download Crystal Disk Info and check your drives' condition? Also, how much free space do you have?

My guess at this point is that the games loading different areas might take a bit longer due to clutter on your drives, or any background app running, or the drives' condition - which you're experiencing as stutter.

 

[QuietBob]

I was playing minecraft fabric-loader 1.19.3 and one of the mods caused minecraft to freeze. ... Everything was playing buttery smooth before this, but now it's smooth with occasional stuttering.

I understand that you've re-installed Minecraft since then? How is your performance in vanilla (unmodded) Minecraft JE?

Loading areas/chunks and sometimes looking around causes it in minecraft and I've tried lowering the render distance between 8-16 and higher it goes, the worse it gets

Unfortunately, this is typical behavior of Java Edition. The underlying engine is inefficient even on powerful CPUs. There are performance mods which specifically address these shortcomings, though.

 

[Magelawls]

The CPU usage would have been my next question, thanks for answering. 80-90% on a 12600K while only gaming is a bit weird. Can you monitor running apps while you game? Possibly run the game in a window with Task Manager on the side.

Your temperature is fine, 72 °C isn't tragic for your CPU under near full usage.

In your first post, you mentioned that you have your games on a separate drive from your OS. You said you reinstalled Windows, but did you reinstall your games?

Can you download Crystal Disk Info and check your drives' condition? Also, how much free space do you have?

My guess at this point is that the games loading different areas might take a bit longer due to clutter on your drives, or any background app running, or the drives' condition - which you're experiencing as stutter.

That is the cpu usage for bf2042 and there is currently a bug that cause 100% usage so I had to make User.cfg file limit how many cores / threads the game uses so it doesn't spike to 100%. Without this modification, game would stutter more often.

72 °C is gpu temp, but I understand if it was a typo. I will give an update with images taken from hwinfo after a game session if that helps.

There is no problem with space cause of clean installation:

Here is what Crystaldiskinfo 8 shows:

Also Samsung's own '' Samsung magician '' doesn't show anything bad either after full scan.

I understand that you've re-installed Minecraft since then? How is your performance in vanilla (unmodded) Minecraft JE?


Unfortunately, this is typical behavior of Java Edition. The underlying engine is inefficient even on powerful CPUs. There are performance mods which specifically address these shortcomings, though.

Perhaps I should try more variety of games to see if it's happening in those too.

That is the cpu usage for bf2042 and there is currently a bug that cause 100% usage so I had to make User.cfg file limit how many cores / threads the game uses so it doesn't spike to 100%. Without this modification, game would stutter more often.

72 °C is gpu temp, but I understand if it was a typo. I will give an update with images taken from hwinfo after a game session if that helps.

There is no problem with space cause of clean installation:

Here is what Crystaldiskinfo 8 shows:

Also Samsung's own '' Samsung magician '' doesn't show anything bad either after full scan.


Perhaps I should try more variety of games to see if it's happening in those too.

Might have found the cause. Somehow I had resizable bar enabled after clean installation. Don't know how and why, but after disabling this, games are running smoother and and I'm getting only small few stutters in bf2042. Could be because I have not played some of the maps after driver installation.
I'm running driver version 522.25 and I've read that the minecraft takes a performance hit with these drivers, but for now I'm happy that the stutters are almost none existent.

I said I would give pictures of the hwinfo, but I don't see it necessary any more after this find, but I can say that the cpu core temps are staying around 60°C and max has been 64°C thanks to noctua's nh-d15 cooler. What comes to gpu temperatures, max was 67,5°C and hotspot reached 77,9°C

 

[AusWolf]

That is the cpu usage for bf2042 and there is currently a bug that cause 100% usage so I had to make User.cfg file limit how many cores / threads the game uses so it doesn't spike to 100%. Without this modification, game would stutter more often.

72 °C is gpu temp, but I understand if it was a typo. I will give an update with images taken from hwinfo after a game session if that helps.

There is no problem with space cause of clean installation:
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Here is what Crystaldiskinfo 8 shows:
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Also Samsung's own '' Samsung magician '' doesn't show anything bad either after full scan.


Perhaps I should try more variety of games to see if it's happening in those too.


Might have found the cause. Somehow I had resizable bar enabled after clean installation. Don't know how and why, but after disabling this, games are running smoother and and I'm getting only small few stutters in bf2042. Could be because I have not played some of the maps after driver installation.
I'm running driver version 522.25 and I've read that the minecraft takes a performance hit with these drivers, but for now I'm happy that the stutters are almost none existent.

I said I would give pictures of the hwinfo, but I don't see it necessary any more after this find, but I can say that the cpu core temps are staying around 60°C and max has been 64°C thanks to noctua's nh-d15 cooler. What comes to gpu temperatures, max was 67,5°C and hotspot reached 77,9°C

It's strange. ReBAR is supposed to give you better performance, not worse. But as long as you're happy...

 

[Magelawls]

It's strange. ReBAR is supposed to give you better performance, not worse. But as long as you're happy...

That's what I understood too, so I didn't pay any attention to it, but somehow the windows installation enabled it since gpu-z back then showed it wasn't in use. I might buy new ram kit since I'm in need of a new phone aswell. Will se if it really was the ram after all, haha.

Just a little random update: I went back to win11 and performance is better. I tried playing vanilla minecraft at first and it was running better on win11 then on win10. After that I got an idea to reinstall minecraft to os drive to see if it would perform better and it does perform better. Maybe my game drive is starting to give up. Have to try with other games to see if this is proving to be the problem.

That's what I understood too, so I didn't pay any attention to it, but somehow the windows installation enabled it since gpu-z back then showed it wasn't in use. I might buy new ram kit since I'm in need of a new phone aswell. Will se if it really was the ram after all, haha.

Just a little random update: I went back to win11 and performance is better. I tried playing vanilla minecraft at first and it was running better on win11 then on win10. After that I got an idea to reinstall minecraft to os drive to see if it would perform better and it does perform better. Maybe my game drive is starting to give up. Have to try with other games to see if this is proving to be the problem.

After further testing some of the games and minecraft with the original mods minus the mod that caused this headache. Now I'm running at expected frames and I'm planning to replace both drives for just incase it starts with this one too.