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refurb x270 thinkpads can be picked up quite cheaply on ebay.. i just sold one before buying the x370 yoga..

the x270 is the last one that has two batteries.. one built in and one removable.. nice little machines..

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refurb x270 thinkpads can be picked up quite cheaply on ebay.. i just sold one before buying the x370 yoga..

the x270 is the last one that has two batteries.. one built in and one removable.. nice little machines..

trog
I hate Lenovo for killing off the X200-series. It's a great travel laptop and nothing they have now comes even close to it.
That said, they'd already ruined it by removing the Ethernet port, I mean, wtf?
Talk about not understanding their customer base for that series.
 
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I didn't read the whole thread... Just thought I'd post the following laptops that I'm considering - hoping this is of some use to the OP.

These do not have touchscreens, which adds weight and shortens battery life. The Dell does not support NVMe M.2 drives. The HP has a "720P" display while the Dell has a 1080P IPS display. The HP has Costco's extended service while the Dell has a metal shell. Costco has been renewing the deal on the HP for a few months. The Dell was available for $360 on Labor Day weekend and I would not be surprised if it it's a Black Friday deal.
The HP is at Costco:



The Dell deal ends today at Newegg, and is on an early 2018 model:

Dell Inspiron 14" Laptop FHD Ryzen 5-3500U 8GB 256GB SSD Radeon Vega 8 Graphics - AMD Ryzen 5-3500U Processor - Radeon Vega 8 R5 Graphics - 1920 x 1080 Full HD Resolution - In-Plane Switching Tec
Also available through Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/5-3500U-...n-Plane-Tec-256GB-8-x-HD-Resolution/248446019
 
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I hate Lenovo for killing off the X200-series. It's a great travel laptop and nothing they have now comes even close to it.
That said, they'd already ruined it by removing the Ethernet port, I mean, wtf?
Talk about not understanding their customer base for that series.

i just sold a x200 and a x61 tablet on ebay.. i got less then fifty quid each for them.. i then bought the x270 and flipped that for the x370 yoga.. the x270 was better than the x200 the last in the series is the x280 that one only has the one built in battery.. the x270 still has the two batteries..

i only got rid of my x270 because i wanted an ips screen with better viewing angles.. they did make them but they are near impossible to find on ebay.. i paid £270 for the used x270 it was pretty much like new.. i sold it for £300..

i dont think a used x270 can be beaten for general usage.. 2017 vintage less than two years old they would have cost about £1000 or so when new..

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i just sold a x200 and a x61 tablet on ebay.. i got less then fifty quid each for them.. i then bought the x270 and flipped that for the x370 yoga.. the x270 was better than the x200 the last in the series is the x280 that one only has the one built in battery.. the x270 still has the two batteries..

i only got rid of my x270 because i wanted an ips screen with better viewing angles.. they did make them but they are near impossible to find on ebay.. i paid £270 for the used x270 it was pretty much like new.. i sold it for £300..

i dont think a used x270 can be beaten for general usage.. 2017 vintage less than two years old they would have cost about £1000 or so when new..

trog
I'm hanging on to my old X250, just ordered a new SSD for it, as the 250GB Samsung drive is getting too full and has started to slow down so much the entire notebook is becoming unusable.
I don't really need anything more powerful on the go and the battery life is still pretty good, as I have the extra large secondary battery.
 

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At this point it sounds like you need a netbook that you can charge with a big 27000mha power bank.
 
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Hi guys, so have learned a bit during this thread, also about my own needs for a laptop.
I'm actually a really creative person with a lot of passion for music, a bit of photography and making tutorials, and I should
really get a laptop that can pull off the below without running too hot: So my budget is set to $700-800

The laptop requirements
* run windows 10 smoth
* Light video editing in Camtasia (Just 1080P, not 4K)
* Recording music (doesn't require much more than a good I5 CPU, no GPU - most laptops can function for audio recording)
* Maybe some light photoshop at times (this needs no dedicated GPU, just a good CPU with built in GPU)
* Good for doing writin - a good keyboard
* Doesn't get too hot.
* Screen size "12-15"

I want to record me playing music (with a good smartphone) and record the audio into a laptop, also do on-screen recordings with something like camtasia. The laptop can just be plugged directly into AC/wall, so battery life is not the selling point for me.

So basically It's not meant for GPU demanding tasks such as Adobe Premiere Pro.

CPU: I Probably need an 8 Gen i5 (i7 are more power hungry and get warmer and i don't need it) and power effecient (perhaps U-models instead of H-models), I do think 4 Cores (quad core) is recommended over dual core for my purpose.

GPU: I read that you can turn off your GPU and let the computer rely on a CPU graphics, that could be smart since i could turn off the GPU 80% of the time when surfing the web. But is a dedicated GPU really nessecery for my needs?
 
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"GPU: I read that you can turn off your GPU and let the computer rely on a CPU graphics, that could be smart since i could turn off the GPU 80% of the time when surfing the web. But is a dedicated GPU really nessecery for my needs?"

if you do it changes the ball park somewhat.. he he

maybe a used Dell G5 and if its plugged into the mains turning off the gpu dosnt matter that much..

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"GPU: I read that you can turn off your GPU and let the computer rely on a CPU graphics, that could be smart since i could turn off the GPU 80% of the time when surfing the web. But is a dedicated GPU really nessecery for my needs?"

if you do it changes the ball park somewhat.. he he

maybe a used Dell G5 and if its plugged into the mains turning off the gpu dosnt matter that much..

trog

What do you mean by this "if its plugged into the mains turning off the gpu dosnt matter that much.."? I'm not sure i understand.
Is it not smart to turn off GPU doing light stuff and turn it on when using demanding programs?
The Dell G5 looks really good, a solid gaming laptop.

Do i really need a laptop with a dedicated GPU if i want to
* edit 1080P videos from a good smartphone
* do on screen recording for tutorias
* do a little photoshop
* some music production: recording piano

Would a good power effecient laptop with an intel i5 8th generation Intel and CPU UHD 620 or 630
Not be more than enough?
 
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the I5 8th generation is a good choice.. i am not sure exactly how much gpu power you need.. a G5 would make sure you have enough..

running off the integrated gpu is about conserving battery power if you are always plugged into the mains this dosnt really matter..

i have told you my choices.. ether a thinkpad x270 if the integrated gpu is enough or a used Dell G5 if it isnt.. in both instances look for a good used one..

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Hi guys,

I'm looking for a power effecient Laptop for writing (12-15Inches max) and making powerpoint presentations in windows 10:
I know from this article that the Intel U-series processors have TDP= 15Watt and that the 8th gen intel perform 50%-92% better than 7th gen processors. What would be a good laptop under $700 for all around use? I could get it used. At the moment i have a Lenovo X200, it's not that fast, and Probably will have problems when going to windows 10, but i like writing on it.

The Y-series offers TDP down to 4.5 Watt but I suspect they are quite slow or laggy because they often come fanless.

Any suggestions or expeirence with this?


Common Intel U Series CPUs (2 cores, 4 threads)
ModelBase ClockTurboCacheTDP (w)GPUvPro
Core i7-8650U1.9 GHz4.2 GHz8MB15Intel UHD 620No
Core i7-8550U1.8 GHz4.0 GHz8MB15Intel UHD 620No
Core i7-7600U2.8 GHz3.9 GHz4MB15Intel HD 620Yes
Core i7-8559U2.7 GHz4.5 GHz8MB28Iris Plus 655No
Core i5-8269U2.6 GHz4.2 GHz6MB28Iris Plus 655No
Core i5-8350U1.7 GHz3.6 GHz6MB15Intel UHD 620No
Core i5-8250U1.6 GHz3.4 GHz6MB15Intel UHD 620No
Core i7-7567U3.5 Ghz4 GHz4MB28Iris Plus 650No
Core i5-7200U2.5 GHz3.1 GHz3MB15Intel HD 620No
Core i5-7267U3.1 GHz3.5 GHz4MB28Iris Plus 650No
Core i3-7100U2.4 GHzN/A3MB15Intel HD 620No

If you have a bestbuy nearby look at their refurb area near the mac area
 
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the I5 8th generation is a good choice.. i am not sure exactly how much gpu power you need.. a G5 would make sure you have enough..

running off the integrated gpu is about conserving battery power if you are always plugged into the mains this dosnt really matter..

i have told you my choices.. ether a thinkpad x270 if the integrated gpu is enough or a used Dell G5 if it isnt.. in both instances look for a good used one..

trog

Ahh so "mains" means plugged into the wall :D (Scandinavian)
Yes but i do like the idea that the laptop is not using unnessevery power when i don't use it, so Even if it's plugged into the mains (not relying on Battery) I like that i can just disable the Dell G5 Dedicated GPU and rely on CPU for tasks that don't use GPU :)

Okay I am looking at the Lenovo X270 and the X280 (has a good Intel 8th as default)
Also considering the Dell G5 as the best option with GPU :)
 

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If you have a bestbuy nearby look at their refurb area near the mac area
The OP lives somewhere in Scandinavia, so that's a negative.
 

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Hi guys, so have learned a bit during this thread, also about my own needs for a laptop.
I'm actually a really creative person with a lot of passion for music, a bit of photography and making tutorials, and I should
really get a laptop that can pull off the below without running too hot: So my budget is set to $700-800

The laptop requirements
* run windows 10 smoth
* Light video editing in Camtasia (Just 1080P, not 4K)
* Recording music (doesn't require much more than a good I5 CPU, no GPU - most laptops can function for audio recording)
* Maybe some light photoshop at times (this needs no dedicated GPU, just a good CPU with built in GPU)
* Good for doing writin - a good keyboard
* Doesn't get too hot.
* Screen size "12-15"

I want to record me playing music (with a good smartphone) and record the audio into a laptop, also do on-screen recordings with something like camtasia. The laptop can just be plugged directly into AC/wall, so battery life is not the selling point for me.

So basically It's not meant for GPU demanding tasks such as Adobe Premiere Pro.

CPU: I Probably need an 8 Gen i5 (i7 are more power hungry and get warmer and i don't need it) and power effecient (perhaps U-models instead of H-models), I do think 4 Cores (quad core) is recommended over dual core for my purpose.

GPU: I read that you can turn off your GPU and let the computer rely on a CPU graphics, that could be smart since i could turn off the GPU 80% of the time when surfing the web. But is a dedicated GPU really nessecery for my needs?
I still say that Surface Pro + TypeCover bundle is exactly what you're looking for. Check Microsoft's European store for comparative bundles.
 
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Hi guys, so have learned a bit during this thread, also about my own needs for a laptop.
I'm actually a really creative person with a lot of passion for music, a bit of photography and making tutorials, and I should
really get a laptop that can pull off the below without running too hot: So my budget is set to $700-800

The laptop requirements
* run windows 10 smoth
* Light video editing in Camtasia (Just 1080P, not 4K)
* Recording music (doesn't require much more than a good I5 CPU, no GPU - most laptops can function for audio recording)
* Maybe some light photoshop at times (this needs no dedicated GPU, just a good CPU with built in GPU)
* Good for doing writin - a good keyboard
* Doesn't get too hot.
* Screen size "12-15"

I want to record me playing music (with a good smartphone) and record the audio into a laptop, also do on-screen recordings with something like camtasia. The laptop can just be plugged directly into AC/wall, so battery life is not the selling point for me.

So basically It's not meant for GPU demanding tasks such as Adobe Premiere Pro.

CPU: I Probably need an 8 Gen i5 (i7 are more power hungry and get warmer and i don't need it) and power effecient (perhaps U-models instead of H-models), I do think 4 Cores (quad core) is recommended over dual core for my purpose.

GPU: I read that you can turn off your GPU and let the computer rely on a CPU graphics, that could be smart since i could turn off the GPU 80% of the time when surfing the web. But is a dedicated GPU really nessecery for my needs?
First off: unless you need a dedicated GPU (say, for gaming or applications benefitting from serious hardware acceleration), do not buy a laptop with a dedicated GPU. You'll end up paying (often significantly) more for a hotter-running and louder laptop than you need, with zero real-world benefit for your use case. Buying a laptop with a dGPU and disabling it is - pardon my French - a really stupid idea. This might be down to different terminology though - what you call "CPU graphics" is the iGPU or integrated GPU, while speaking of "the GPU" in a laptop normally implies that the laptop has a dedicated/discrete GPU (aka. "dGPU"). Which you definitely don't need, or want to pay for.

Beyond that, you're right that you will benefit from a quad core - even web browsing benefits from that. I moved from an i7-7600u work laptop to one with an i7-8650u early this year, and even for just normal office use the difference was noticeable.

You're also right that buying an i7 generally isn't a good idea unless you really need maximum performance in your form factor - i7s run hotter, use more power, and cost more. i5s usually deliver ~90% of the performance with better thermals (and thus noise levels) for significantly less money.

On the AMD side, this is less clear-cut, as the difference between mobile Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7s is smaller on the CPU side - the biggest difference is the iGPU. Both will perform more than adequately for your needs (quad core i5 levels or slightly above), but have the benefit of a more powerful iGPU than anything Intel delivers, which is beneficial for anything that can use hardware acceleration. Power draw is roughly the same as Intel, but with lower peak draw in well-designed laptops. They're also usually relatively affordable.

Beyond that: as long as the basics are in place (suitable CPU, no dGPU, enough RAM (I'd say at least 16GB, which will likely make buying used difficult), sufficient SSD storage), physical design and ergonomics are actually what I consider the most important for a laptop. Does it have a good keyboard, trackpad and display? These three are what you'll be directly interacting with likely 100% of the time you're using the laptop, after all. Which is the most important, and what you prefer is of course entirely up to you, but you say you type a lot, so I would prioritize the keyboard - in which case nothing beats a ThinkPad. For typing, display resolutions below 1080p are also a no-go, as text rendering will be blocky, blurry or uncomfortable no matter your eyesight. And IPS display would also be better than anything TN, mainly due to TN's poor viewing angles being a significant hindrance on a laptop. You don't sound like you'll be doing very color-critical work, so you don't need to look for anything with a color-calibrated display.

As such, I stand by my recommendation of the Thinkpad T495 or T495s. The s is slimmer and lighter, but also more expensive, so for your seemingly mostly stationary use I'd go for the T495. Here in Norway, a T495 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD and 1080p IPS display is NOK 11737 (you'll need to select the RAM and SSD yourself, everything else is stock). This might be slightly beyond your budget, but again, Lenovo has frequent sales, and a 10% rebate if you're in any way connected to an educational institution. Also, the laptop has 8GB of soldered memory with a free SODIMM memory slot, so if you can live with 8GB for a while you can save quite a bit by upgrading the RAM yourself (this is a trivial thing to do even for someone who has never installed hardware in a laptop, btw). The SSD is also upgradeable, but this is a much more involved process, so I'd buy what you need there right away.

The E series Thinkpads are also a good option, of course, and significantly cheaper. An E495 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD is NOK 6811.50. Do note that the E-series (at least the Ryzen 5 config in Norway) comes with an old-school HDD instead of an SSD as stock, which will be absolutely terrible for the perceived performance of the laptop. Whatever you do, get an SSD. The price I quoted is with the "dummy HDD" and a 512GB m.2 SSD. You can add in the HDD if you need more storage cheaply, but you OS and software should always run off the SSD.

If you really want to buy used, look for any used ThinkPad with the required specs, but be wary that quite a few business laptops have terrible, low-grade TN 1366x768 panels. Avoid those at all costs. Finding a used business laptop with a quad core CPU might also be a challenge, as those are relatively new and laptops like these tend to be in service for a few years before being replaced. Also look for businesses selling refurbished laptops in your country, they might have some gems in stock.

I still say that Surface Pro + TypeCover bundle is exactly what you're looking for. Check Microsoft's European store for comparative bundles.
Not a bad idea, but those tend to be expensive, and their display size is quite small. Given that the OP doesn't seem to care about portability I'd go for something in the 14-15" range simply due to the ergonomic improvements, no matter how much I like the Surface lineup. The new 15" Surface Laptop might be an alternative, but I'm willing to bet that will cost far more than a ThinkPad T495.
 
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First off: unless you need a dedicated GPU (say, for gaming or applications benefitting from serious hardware acceleration), do not buy a laptop with a dedicated GPU. You'll end up paying (often significantly) more for a hotter-running and louder laptop than you need, with zero real-world benefit for your use case. Buying a laptop with a dGPU and disabling it is - pardon my French - a really stupid idea. This might be down to different terminology though - what you call "CPU graphics" is the iGPU or integrated GPU, while speaking of "the GPU" in a laptop normally implies that the laptop has a dedicated/discrete GPU (aka. "dGPU"). Which you definitely don't need, or want to pay for.

Beyond that, you're right that you will benefit from a quad core - even web browsing benefits from that. I moved from an i7-7600u work laptop to one with an i7-8650u early this year, and even for just normal office use the difference was noticeable.

You're also right that buying an i7 generally isn't a good idea unless you really need maximum performance in your form factor - i7s run hotter, use more power, and cost more. i5s usually deliver ~90% of the performance with better thermals (and thus noise levels) for significantly less money.

On the AMD side, this is less clear-cut, as the difference between mobile Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7s is smaller on the CPU side - the biggest difference is the iGPU. Both will perform more than adequately for your needs (quad core i5 levels or slightly above), but have the benefit of a more powerful iGPU than anything Intel delivers, which is beneficial for anything that can use hardware acceleration. Power draw is roughly the same as Intel, but with lower peak draw in well-designed laptops. They're also usually relatively affordable.

Beyond that: as long as the basics are in place (suitable CPU, no dGPU, enough RAM (I'd say at least 16GB, which will likely make buying used difficult), sufficient SSD storage), physical design and ergonomics are actually what I consider the most important for a laptop. Does it have a good keyboard, trackpad and display? These three are what you'll be directly interacting with likely 100% of the time you're using the laptop, after all. Which is the most important, and what you prefer is of course entirely up to you, but you say you type a lot, so I would prioritize the keyboard - in which case nothing beats a ThinkPad. For typing, display resolutions below 1080p are also a no-go, as text rendering will be blocky, blurry or uncomfortable no matter your eyesight. And IPS display would also be better than anything TN, mainly due to TN's poor viewing angles being a significant hindrance on a laptop. You don't sound like you'll be doing very color-critical work, so you don't need to look for anything with a color-calibrated display.

As such, I stand by my recommendation of the Thinkpad T495 or T495s. The s is slimmer and lighter, but also more expensive, so for your seemingly mostly stationary use I'd go for the T495. Here in Norway, a T495 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD and 1080p IPS display is NOK 11737 (you'll need to select the RAM and SSD yourself, everything else is stock). This might be slightly beyond your budget, but again, Lenovo has frequent sales, and a 10% rebate if you're in any way connected to an educational institution. Also, the laptop has 8GB of soldered memory with a free SODIMM memory slot, so if you can live with 8GB for a while you can save quite a bit by upgrading the RAM yourself (this is a trivial thing to do even for someone who has never installed hardware in a laptop, btw). The SSD is also upgradeable, but this is a much more involved process, so I'd buy what you need there right away.

The E series Thinkpads are also a good option, of course, and significantly cheaper. An E495 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD is NOK 6811.50. Do note that the E-series (at least the Ryzen 5 config in Norway) comes with an old-school HDD instead of an SSD as stock, which will be absolutely terrible for the perceived performance of the laptop. Whatever you do, get an SSD. The price I quoted is with the "dummy HDD" and a 512GB m.2 SSD. You can add in the HDD if you need more storage cheaply, but you OS and software should always run off the SSD.

If you really want to buy used, look for any used ThinkPad with the required specs, but be wary that quite a few business laptops have terrible, low-grade TN 1366x768 panels. Avoid those at all costs. Finding a used business laptop with a quad core CPU might also be a challenge, as those are relatively new and laptops like these tend to be in service for a few years before being replaced. Also look for businesses selling refurbished laptops in your country, they might have some gems in stock.


Not a bad idea, but those tend to be expensive, and their display size is quite small. Given that the OP doesn't seem to care about portability I'd go for something in the 14-15" range simply due to the ergonomic improvements, no matter how much I like the Surface lineup. The new 15" Surface Laptop might be an alternative, but I'm willing to bet that will cost far more than a ThinkPad T495.


I Like Norway and I Like your comment - Thank you for this In-depth comment, you really
covered the most important points regarding my needs: keyboard, power effeciency, ergonomics, heat and performance.
Your french is outstanding :D

I think you got me sold on the Thinkpad T495 or E495
I think i subconsciously tried to avoid Ryzen computers because I've heard
so much about bugs in Ryzen CPU's, but I'm looking into it right now.

I found a Thinkpad E495 (not sure if it matters if its E495 or T495)
14" - Ryzen 5 3500U - 16 GB RAM - 512 GB SSD
https://www.proshop.dk/Baerbar/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E495/2788562

I do notice that the Lenovo E495 With intel 8th generation are far more expensive
than the 495 thinkpads with ryzen 3500u which makes me wonder.


However the T495 with AMD is quite expensive compared to the E495
14" AMD Ryzen 5 Pro, 2.1 GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB


The T495 review looks really good!

UPDATE: Interesting the E495 actually outperforms the T495 and is cheaper for me. This is because the TDP configuration is set to 22W for the T495 and 25W for the E495: I left an abstract from the review below.


We are still a bit disappointed by the results, especially compared to the results of the ThinkPad E495 with the consumer version of the Ryzen 5 3500U. The lower score of the ThinkPad T495 has two reasons. First of all, it looks like the quality of the two chips differs. Without any additional comparison devices, we cannot say whether we have a good model of the Ryzen 5 or a bad model of the Ryzen 5 Pro. Both our samples are standard retail units though. This variation can happen to any customer, and this is also the case for Intel chips in general.

The Ryzen 5 3500U in the ThinkPad E495 runs at 4x 3.0-3.1 GHz at 25W, but the Ryzen 5 Pro 3500U in the T495 "only" at 4x ~2.8 GHz. There is also a difference in respect to the TDP configuration between the two systems. In addition to the limits for short-term and long-term power consumption, AMD uses another limit with the somewhat cryptic acronym STAPM, which stands for Skin Temperature Aware Power Management. This limit is supposed to make sure the surfaces do not get too warm. You can basically think of it as an empty glass, which slowly fills up under load. This value is set at 22W for the T495. This STAPM value is increasing until it reaches the limit of 22W (which is the case after the fourth iteration of CB R15 Multi here). Once the value reaches the 22W, it will limit the actual consumption of the CPU to 22W. The ThinkPad E495 also has the STAPM limit, but it is set to 25W and therefore identical to to the long-term TDP limit. This explains why there is no performance drop during the CB loop.

We will ask Lenovo why the limit is lower on the ThinkPad T495 compared to the less expensive ThinkPad E495, so stay tuned.

 
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Not a bad idea, but those tend to be expensive, and their display size is quite small. Given that the OP doesn't seem to care about portability I'd go for something in the 14-15" range simply due to the ergonomic improvements, no matter how much I like the Surface lineup. The new 15" Surface Laptop might be an alternative, but I'm willing to bet that will cost far more than a ThinkPad T495.
It's 12.3" display and the TypeCover I like better than a laptop keyboard because you can adjust the angle of it relative to the surface it is sitting on and it doesn't get hot to the touch because the computing hardware isn't underneath. Anyway...

Assuming Denmark/Norway, yeah, not an option:

They only have one deal that includes TypeCover by the looks of it and that translates to something like $1300 USD. Bummer.
 
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I Like Norway and I Like your comment - Thank you for this In-depth comment, you really
covered the most important points regarding my needs: keyboard, power effeciency, ergonomics, heat and performance.
Your french is outstanding :D

I think you got me sold on the Thinkpad T495 or E495
I think i subconsciously tried to avoid Ryzen computers because I've heard
so much about bugs in Ryzen CPU's, but I'm looking into it right now.

I found a Thinkpad E495 (not sure if it matters if its E495 or T495)
14" - Ryzen 5 3500U - 16 GB RAM - 512 GB SSD
https://www.proshop.dk/Baerbar/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E495/2788562

I do notice that the Lenovo E495 With intel 8th generation are far more expensive
than the 495 thinkpads with ryzen 3500u which makes me wonder.


However the T495 with AMD is quite expensive compared to the E495
14" AMD Ryzen 5 Pro, 2.1 GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB


The T495 review looks really good!
Sounds like you're coming close to a decision, that's good :) As far as I know the difference between E-series and T-series thinkpads is that T is higher end, and as such gets better chassis materials (but E should still be good, just not premium quality) and some higher end features (such as better displays with a wider color gamut), plus lower weight and smaller overlall dimensions. Ultimately it's up to you whether this is worth the premium price or not. T-series laptops are do-it-all, bring anywhere beaters that can survive quite a lot, while the E-series is more geared towards general office usage. I'm reasonably sure the T series uses magnesium/aluminum in their chassis, while the E might be plastic for the most part.

What I would do if I were you: read this review of the E495 from Notebookcheck (my go-to site for laptop reviews in recent years - nobody comes close to their level of detail) and compare to this review of the T495. The T495 review has a useful size comparison widget where you can enter the E495 to see direct comparisons of their size (spoiler: they're the same widht and thickness, but the E is deeper by 15mm and weighs about 400g more). The T has a much better display (~100% sRGB gamut, good contrast, far better color accuracy), and some creature comforts like a backlit keyboard. If the things that are better on the T don't matter much to you, get the E - it's that much cheaper, after all. If they do matter, get the T. Either way I think you'll be very happy - they're both excellent laptops.

Edit: I just saw that you had a Notebookcheck review linked yourself. Oh well, can't be too thorough I guess :)

While DKK-to-NOK conversions always mess with my head, that Proshop E495 looks like a good deal. Proshop is also one of my favourite online stores - at least in Norway they're fast, helpful and very competitively priced.
 
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if you want a nice ips display the lenovo 380 yoga fits the bill.. its what i ended up with after selling my x270..

i pick a like new used one up for £500 recently.. very nice machines..

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Valentar: Thank you very much for a nice rundown of the two and the two links!
I generally never use the battery (unless I'm out) I Just plug it out of my Laptop and set it up with a wire. So I will configer it in a way that it saves energy

Trog100: Yes the lenovo 380 yoga looks really nice too. I will have to make a choice soon, so I don't drown myself in options :D It's easy to get lost in all the choices. The E495 and T495 have IPS as well so I might stick to that unless i find the 380 Used by luck here in DK, then price also matters :)

Intels 8th gen I5 vs i7 and power consumption
Actually since this is a thread that includes the subject of "powerconsumption", for those interested in Laptops that at least have the option of consuming less I want to raise the question of I5 vs i7 and power consumption

According to this article: Intel Core i7-8550U vs Core i5-8250U were tested in performance and power consumption and battery life was close to the same even if the clock speed of i7 was 1.8-GHz (3.6-GHz with Max Turbo) was higher than i5 1.6-GHz (3.4-GHz with Max Turbo)

1.6-GHz (3.4-GHz with Max Turbo)

I'm not sure if the test is fair since the SKU number 550 for i7 differs from 250 for i5.

If i were to find a used lenovo intel 8th generation that had a i7, would it make a big difference in terms of heat and power? My assumption was yes, but i might be wrong or biased.

For content creation fx using adobe you want

* More cores for faster performance: For video editing 6 cores makes a differece over 4 cores but 4 cores is standard for intel 8 gen i5 and i7 cpu.
* hyper-threading: the ability for each core to handle more than one processing thread at the same time.
makes a significant differnece for video editing and rendering: but not so much photoshop.
"if your software relies heavily on multithreading, to choose a four-core chip with Hyper-Threading over an equivalent six-core without."

for laptops: cores and hyper threading
"you'll want to look more at whether Hyper-Threading is supported by a given chip and how many cores the chip has, as well as how a chip performs in independent testing in a given laptop configuration. How the laptop maker
implements a chip and cools it can be just as important as the CPU's spec traits."
 
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