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Hello guys,

I was thinking about upgrading my samsung monitor S22B350 (22'') to a new and bigger one.
I have identified already a few one, with 27'', 144hz, VA, 1440p, that's what I was aiming for, because based on some feedback, 1080p is not quite enough for a 27'' monitor, and it's also more future proofing

However, i don't have intentions of upgrading my CPU or GPU right at this moment.
I run:
i5-3570k
16gb RAM
GTX 1050ti

For gaming purpose, will I have troubles running at 1440p ? And even if I use settings for 1080p, will the image suffer any "stretching"?
I just don't want to make the decision of having a good monitor with high settings and worst than not making use of that good specs, it's having problems in using the monitor at all (without upgrading)

Thank you!
 

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The fact is, 1050ti barely even qualifies for a good 1080p card.

You can run the monitor at 1080p for gaming but to me that will always be something that looks weird. Either it will stretch the image to fit the screen or some games will have black borders around the edges like when youre watching a blu-ray rip but dont have the right screen aspect ratio.

Just remember to set the refresh rate to 60hz otherwise you might have even more headaches when it comes to gaming.
 
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With your current specs I wouldnt unless you don't mind droping settings a lot in AAA games.

I've upgraded from a Samsung SyncMaster BX2450 '1080P' to a lg-29WK600-W '2560x1080' UltraWide with a RX 570 and I can barely drive it in new games and often have to use medium settings or so just to reach ~45-50+ FPS. 'luckily freesync helps'
 

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Thank you guys for the fast reply.

That was what I was afraid of.

Forgot to say that my motherboard is a ASROCK Z77 Extreme4.

Do you think it's still worth to invest on a better GPU for this setup? or should I wait a little bit longer(to gather more money) to invest in a new desktop build?
 

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best for a complete new machine imo - but if you dont care to play at ultra settings, then the 3570k will still run a lot of games pretty well and will go even further if you decide to OC it.
 
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Don't buy a new monitor if you will not upgrade the PC first.
The 1050Ti is useless. I would know because my cousin has it. Paired with 16gb RAM and i5-9400f. I can play 1080p....kinda. As for double the resolution of a 2k it probably won't do anything.

You are right: 1080p is to low for a 27" monitor. There just isn't enough pixel density. Pixel density is super important.
I myself em looking at a 144hz 2k monitor. Not buying nothing now, cuz my graphics card can't hold 100+FPS in 2k.

Someone said OC the CPU. Horrible idea.

Without having to deal with major bottleneck, on that RAM and CPU you could get a second hand 1070Ti, or amd RX 590, or the new GTX 1650. However, none of these options will do 140+FPS in 2k. All of them would be excellent 1080p choices, but never 2k.
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You should also consider what i said above: pixel density is amazing!

I got a Samsung 4k tv. Most games will look better in 2k resolution with low settings, than 1080p with high settings. That's a fact that i tested in many games.
Still, you can wait until you get a new PC and then also the monitor.
 
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Don't buy a new monitor if you will not upgrade the PC first.
The 1050Ti is useless. I would know because my cousin has it. Paired with 16gb RAM and i5-9400f. I can play 1080p....kinda. As for double the resolution of a 2k it probably won't do anything.

You are right: 1080p is to low for a 27" monitor. There just isn't enough pixel density. Pixel density is super important.
I myself em looking at a 144hz 2k monitor. Not buying nothing now, cuz my graphics card can't hold 100+FPS in 2k.

Someone said OC the CPU. Horrible idea.

Without having to deal with major bottleneck, on that RAM and CPU you could get a second hand 1070Ti, or amd RX 590, or the new GTX 1650. However, none of these options will do 140+FPS in 2k. All of them would be excellent 1080p choices, but never 2k.
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You should also consider what i said above: pixel density is amazing!

I got a Samsung 4k tv. Most games will look better in 2k resolution with low settings, than 1080p with high settings. That's a fact that i tested in many games.
Still, you can wait until you get a new PC and then also the monitor.
Side note - 1440p is NOT "2k", that's straight up marketing bs.
 

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Someone said OC the CPU. Horrible idea.
How is OC'n a horrible idea?? 4.4-4.5Ghz should be within any good 3570k range. Couple that with a decent graphics card and you can hold off a major upgrade bug providing youre not a person that has to run everything on super ultra and does a lot of 3D rendering or media encoding.

Not everyone needs a 3950X or 9900K. Youre just trying to stretch out what you've got until you can afford bigger better upgrade.
 

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Hello guys,

I was thinking about upgrading my samsung monitor S22B350 (22'') to a new and bigger one.
I have identified already a few one, with 27'', 144hz, VA, 1440p, that's what I was aiming for, because based on some feedback, 1080p is not quite enough for a 27'' monitor, and it's also more future proofing

However, i don't have intentions of upgrading my CPU or GPU right at this moment.
I run:
i5-3570k
16gb RAM
GTX 1050ti

For gaming purpose, will I have troubles running at 1440p ? And even if I use settings for 1080p, will the image suffer any "stretching"?
I just don't want to make the decision of having a good monitor with high settings and worst than not making use of that good specs, it's having problems in using the monitor at all (without upgrading)

Thank you!
With a 1050 ti yes you will have problems, grab a rx5700
 
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Upgrading your current rig would be "throwing good money after bad", so no real point in investing in a better monitor unless you have a machine that can drive it at the resolution you want....and for gaming, 1080 aint that :)

As already stated above, 1050 is (and always was) a bottom-barrel crap card for mini-budget misers.... hell even the 1060/6GB would barely run most moderately recent games. I know this because my son was constantly complaining about his 1060 last summer, so I got him a 2080ti and now he is good for quite some time....

"If'n yaz wanna play, yaz gozta pay"
 
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the gtx1050ti can run new games somewhat decent, but u really need to drop down settings to get close to 60fps

this video shows most games over 30fps but far cry drops below it, less than ideal tbh
but yes if you want nicer settings and 1440p resolution get at least a 5700, 5700xt or 2060S, 2070, 2070s + the monitor

i have the 1070ti and it was made for 1440p resolution back in 2016 but in 2020 new games i play are at 1080p ultra,
 
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I ran 4770k with a Vega 56 until 2 months ago. Don't buy a monitor without a new gpu. Overclock and you'll be fine. Are you gonna leave some frames on the table, yeah.

Edit: I just realized you have 3570k. You may be able to find a cheap 3770k to give you the extra threads. But yeah, rolling with a true 4c will be tough.
 
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Come from experience, i went from 1080p 60hz monitor to 1440p 144hz monitor + gtx1080. Even a gtx1080 had hard time hitting 144 in games of the day without turning some settings down. I will add a link to a 1050ti review so you can see what FPS numbers are at 1440p granted i think ultra settings but you get idea of what you will have to dumb down settings wise to get decent fps. Unless you plan to upgrade your machine including cpu, I would hold off getting 1440p monitor unless you are using cause desktop space and running games at 1080p. That 1050ti is gonna chug in every game now days bad even my rig is starting to show real bad.

 
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Hello guys,

I was thinking about upgrading my samsung monitor S22B350 (22'') to a new and bigger one.
I have identified already a few one, with 27'', 144hz, VA, 1440p, that's what I was aiming for, because based on some feedback, 1080p is not quite enough for a 27'' monitor, and it's also more future proofing

However, i don't have intentions of upgrading my CPU or GPU right at this moment.
I run:
i5-3570k
16gb RAM
GTX 1050ti

For gaming purpose, will I have troubles running at 1440p ? And even if I use settings for 1080p, will the image suffer any "stretching"?
I just don't want to make the decision of having a good monitor with high settings and worst than not making use of that good specs, it's having problems in using the monitor at all (without upgrading)

Thank you!
What is your frame rate now with the current monitor?
If you go from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440 expect a 30~35% FPS reduction keeping same settings, according to that review. And could be up to 40~45% if the CPU cant keep up...
 
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I tweak stuff to be around least 70-90's which in new current games means lowering settings a bit compared to ultra settings that most those test suites use. 40-45% probably is better number to go by given your cpu is a 3570 since game are starting to push in that cpu space of requirements. Even my 4770k starting to show its age at being maxed out easy on them.

1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels.
2560 x 1440 = 3,686,400 pixels.
1440p may seem a small bump in rez but pixel's are a good 75% bump.
 

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I am not looking for playing in ultra settings. this might not be the best sequence of upgrading, but i will first start with the monitor, and then grab a GPU with my current setup. If even with settings like i have now i can't do nothing, then i will grab a new CPU and Moba.

I have "marked" 4 monitors:
ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD (27, IPS, 1440p, 144Hz, flat) - around 320€
AOC CQ27G2U/BK (27, VA, 1440P, 144Hz, curved) - around 350€

and
MSI Optix MAG271CQR (27, VA, 1440p, 144Hz) - around 410€
AOC AG273QCX (27, VA, 1440p, 144Hz) - 500€ atm but i have found at 450€ somewhere.

I really don't want to spend too much here, so i think the Viewsonic and CQ27G2 are on top 2.
Is the IPS the obvious decision?

I don't care with curved display. If it has, i think i can get used to it easily.
I will upgrade from a TN display and i never used IPS or VA on monitors before. Is the backlight bleed too bad on IPS and VA?
 
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Thank you guys for the fast reply.

That was what I was afraid of.

Forgot to say that my motherboard is a ASROCK Z77 Extreme4.

Do you think it's still worth to invest on a better GPU for this setup? or should I wait a little bit longer(to gather more money) to invest in a new desktop build?
It really depends on how far off you are budget wise for a new system. If budget is no object, or if you feel there is time to save for it; the 3570K is a stutter CPU when you couple it with a faster GPU. 4 cores are going to do that these days. So no, ideally its not a platform you want to keep investing in. An overclock also won't help you in that sense. I've had the very same CPU and went through a range of GPU upgrades on it; clocked at 4.4 Ghz in its prime; when I went from 780ti to 1080, it presented a major bottleneck. And it was already not optimal for the 780ti, in fact.

But. Something along the range of the 1080/2060S/5700~XT is still going to be a major improvement and also what you'd need to push a 1440p/144hz panel. You're not going to run ultra that way. But high and >70~100 FPS average in most recent games is very plausible. Your current CPU might limit that to 45-60 FPS. So there is still a gain that would enable you to 'use' 1440p. And then you can always follow up with the system upgrade later on to feel another big jump in smoothness and FPS.

Before that I really wouldn't invest in a bigger monitor, its going to be a hassle. However, if you are content playing at 720p for a while, at higher settings perhaps even than now, you can still get mileage out of it until you do other upgrades. 720p is nice because its good pixel scaling for 1440p (half res) so not very blurry, just bigger pixels. And its much lighter to push. Just place the monitor a bit further away and presto :)
 
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Don't buy a new monitor (> 1920x1080) if you will not upgrade the PC first. If you must replace current monitor then buy 24" with 1920x1080. Good 24" monitor with 1920x1080 is still good and will be good for gaming, for years. It is still gaming standard.
 

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since i got a 22' (it's working okay), upgrading to 24' doesn't look like a big deal, yeah ok i would get 144hz and a IPS instead of 60hz TN, but still doesn't feel like it :/ but maybe i'm wrong

My plan was to get first the monitor, then a GPU like RX590, GTX 1070TI, RX 5700XT if on sale.
Then i would wait a couple of months to buy 1 moba and 1 new CPU (and ram ofc). By that time i would have a decent GPU and a monitor to last for years.
 
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im afraid you need to upgrade whole pc to aiming 144hz, even for a fullhd gameplay, my advise just grab a rx 580 8gb, and you are good for 60hz fullhd, but might tune the setting a bit, todays gaming is so hard to keep 60fps, maybe a high preset isntead ultra would keep smooth 60fps, dont expect too much sry:)
anyway i vote for 5700 xt card:clap:
 
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Depends on what games you are playing but if you're wanting to play demanding modern AAA games then it's time to save up for a new build really.

I had a 27 inch 1080p monitor before this 27 inch 1440p monitor and I saw a big difference with the detail and sharpness of games on the 1440p monitor.

A 750 Ti isn't going to cut it for 1440p unless you are playing older games or light gaming. If you are going to stick with the 750 Ti then a 144 Hz monitor isn't necessary. If however you do plan to upgrade to a much faster GPU during the lifetime of the new monitor then I guess it makes sense.

I've got a Dell 1440p 144 Hz monitor and a 2070 Super card on the way. Should arrive tomorrow. My 980 Ti just isn't cutting it anymore with some demanding modern AAA games even on the 60 Hz monitor I have right now and I don't want to wait for the 3080 or 3080 Ti.

Anyway, from my research the 2070 Super should serve me well with the new monitor for around 2 years and that's all I need before the next GPU upgrade.
 

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At the moment i only play Apex Legends, PES2020, Overwatch. I also might play Battlefield1, Civ5, GTAV (who actually runs very well with my setup) and really nothing else (or some less demanding games).

What about the setup for a new desktop. I want AMD.

I was thinking about AMD Ryzen 7 3700X or Ryzen 5 3600. (130€ difference, worth the Ryzen 7?)

I really don't know what's important on a motherboard, can i go to the cheaper? B450 gaming X is the cheaper i have found. i will plug in 1 or 2 SSD + 1 hardisk probably, only single GPU and i will not overclock nothing.

For RAM 2x8gb DDR4 2400Mhz CL15. Should i improve the Mhz? (assuming the Moba accepts it)

As for GPU, I am thinking in RX5700 XT if i can find on sales.

With those 4 components i can build a new computer, using the components i have on my current desktop, so maybe i will go for it.
Looking forward for you tips :)
 
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Absolutely faster than 2400, Ryzen LOVES fast RAM.

Side note - 1440p is NOT "2k", that's straight up marketing bs.
Exactly. If 3840p is called as 4K, then 1080p should be 2K.
 

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At the moment i only play Apex Legends, PES2020, Overwatch. I also might play Battlefield1, Civ5, GTAV (who actually runs very well with my setup) and really nothing else (or some less demanding games).

What about the setup for a new desktop. I want AMD.

I was thinking about AMD Ryzen 7 3700X or Ryzen 5 3600. (130€ difference, worth the Ryzen 7?)

I really don't know what's important on a motherboard, can i go to the cheaper? B450 gaming X is the cheaper i have found. i will plug in 1 or 2 SSD + 1 hardisk probably, only single GPU and i will not overclock nothing.

For RAM 2x8gb DDR4 2400Mhz CL15. Should i improve the Mhz? (assuming the Moba accepts it)

As for GPU, I am thinking in RX5700 XT if i can find on sales.

With those 4 components i can build a new computer, using the components i have on my current desktop, so maybe i will go for it.
Looking forward for you tips :)
Grab a 5700 non xt, ram, Gskill, crucial, mushkin, patriot.
 
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