How do you feel about "Cloud Computing"?

[Bill_Bright]

There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer.

I would not call someone else's computer a viable "cloud" solution. That's just someone sharing access to their computer. A real cloud "service" has multiple data centers across the globe, each with racks and racks of computers working in concert. Big difference.

 

[trparky]

I would not call someone else's computer a viable "cloud" solution. That's just someone sharing access to their computer. A real cloud "service" has multiple data centers across the globe, each with racks and racks of computers working in concert. Big difference.

He's boiling it down to a simple statement. He's referring to the idea that the cloud is a computer (or groups of computers) that you, yourself, don't own and don't have control over. It stems from the idea that if you don't control it, don't trust it. However, we can't think like that anymore. If we go by that very strict kind of thinking the Internet itself wouldn't work. Your data passes through God knows how many systems as it travels the globe, you have to have some kind of trust or you wouldn't use the Internet.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Your data passes through God knows how many systems...

Passing through is a totally different concept than users purposely storing their data out there - as if it were another drive attached to their systems.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer. I have full control of my computer, and almost no control of theirs.

Very well said!

 

[Bill_Bright]

Cloud is just a marketing term. If you want to get literal, then sure, there is no cloud. But is that the point? No.

The point of "the cloud" is there is a "place" (regardless the fact it is "virtual") where data is stored that can be accessed from any device with Internet access.

Whether you trust the cloud to store your data or not is an individual decision. But many individuals and companies do - and without problems. Me? Again I do trust the cloud to not lose my data. I just don't trust it to keep it secure. So (partly due to my age) it is likely I will never in my lifetime store any personal or sensitive files out there I would not want the bad guys to get ahold of.

 

[AvrageGamr]

Love it. Storage, fantastic. Not every pic or vid I take with my cell I want to stick on a hd. Who doesn't use some sort of online storage nowadays? Not every piece of data is worth buying a hd to store it on. Audio, video streaming also takes less space on my hd.

 

[P4-630]

 

[Vayra86]

Love it. Storage, fantastic. Not every pic or vid I take with my cell I want to stick on a hd. Who doesn't use some sort of online storage nowadays? Not every piece of data is worth buying a hd to store it on. Audio, video streaming also takes less space on my hd.

I don't, except for e-mail, with a specific reason: you don't want it locally, because you want access to it everywhere. You can't store email offline and use it. This is a marked difference with entertainment/content, audio video or picture.

Every time I did use cloud storage, it would end up somehow changed by the time I wanted to re-use it. Google cloud is like that. Policies and processes change all the time, they rename or merge apps, etc. That was confirmation of gut feeling: you don't want to leave anything in another company's hands. That's not even considering the technical problem of privacy. If you put it on cloud, you just don't know if you have it anymore.

The real question is why would you keep saving all those crappy cell phone photo's of which the better half is probably meme material or just utterly horrible to look at or originated from a Whatsapp folder. Somehow we've gone from selecting every photo by hand (non digital photography) to mass collection of the most useless crap 'because why not'.

Well, that's why not. Its time to question and re-evaluate all those silly demands we've convinced ourselves of. They're utterly wasteful and they're a way to make you depend on services.

 

[kapone32]

Every Year I get an email from Asus to take advantage of 100GB of Cloud storage and I have never used it. Then there is One Drive that I wish I could turn off completely but Windows is just as guilty as the rest of them of trying to goad you into storing data outside of your own array. It is my opinion that MBs have PCIe lanes, SATA ports and M2 slots for exactly that reason. Of course the narrative has been such that people have been conditioned to having themselves exposed to the Internet like it is inert with no regard. When I think of the Cloud I think of MMO Games that you can no longer play.

 

[Vayra86]

Every Year I get an email from Asus to take advantage of 100GB of Cloud storage and I have never used it. Then there is One Drive that I wish I could turn off completely but Windows is just as guilty as the rest of them of trying to goad you into storing data outside of your own array. It is my opinion that MBs have PCIe lanes, SATA ports and M2 slots for exactly that reason. Of course the narrative has been such that people have been conditioned to having themselves exposed to the Internet like it is inert with no regard. When I think of the Cloud I think of MMO Games that you can no longer play.

You can kill Onedrive completely, just uninstall it.

 

[Frick]

I don't, except for e-mail.

Every time I did use cloud storage, it would end up somehow changed by the time I wanted to re-use it. Google cloud is like that. Policies and processes change all the time, they rename or merge apps, etc. That was confirmation of gut feeling: you don't want to leave anything in another company's hands. That's not even considering the technical problem of privacy. If you put it on cloud, you just don't know if you have it anymore.

The real question is why would you keep saving all those crappy cell phone photo's of which the better half is probably meme material or just utterly horrible to look at or originated from a Whatsapp folder. Somehow we've gone from selecting every photo by hand (non digital photography) to mass collection of the most useless crap 'because why not'.

Well, that's why not. Its time to question and re-evaluate all those silly demands we've convinced ourselves of. They're utterly wasteful and they're a way to make you depend on services.

There is a lot of stuff that annoys me in this post, but the only thing I will say is this: You may take tons of shitty lolmemes with your phone but some of us do not.

I will also say this: you are weak for not rolling your own email.

 

[Bomby569]

Every Year I get an email from Asus to take advantage of 100GB of Cloud storage and I have never used it. Then there is One Drive that I wish I could turn off completely but Windows is just as guilty as the rest of them of trying to goad you into storing data outside of your own array. It is my opinion that MBs have PCIe lanes, SATA ports and M2 slots for exactly that reason. Of course the narrative has been such that people have been conditioned to having themselves exposed to the Internet like it is inert with no regard. When I think of the Cloud I think of MMO Games that you can no longer play.

one email a year, lucky bastard. They got my email 10 years ago, and i've been receiving that stuff every couple of months ever since. Not once did i joined, not even for free. They are relentless

 

[P4-630]

I'm getting email spammed by Asus cloud services....

 

[kapone32]

You can kill Onedrive completely, just uninstall it.

Even when it says that it is uninstalled it seems that Windows 10/11 actually runs at least the drivers for that in the background and may be the top layer on your storage array. In Windows 7 there was no issue swapping drives but with 11 especially you have to use a program like Disk Wizard or Miray to get a drive that has Windows installed on it formatted to the point where it removes those 2 files that reside on Windows boot drives. Even RAID 0 drives have to use a program to format them properly if you separate the array in Windows 11. I may be wrong but something caused me not be able to play Forza Horizon after upgrading to Windows 11 without re-downloading it. One thing I do is only save files to this PC when installing Windows but it seems Onedrive is built into Windows OS and stores at least your Gamepass credentials as I can't even access the files and the folder is hidden.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Nice 2019 necro and the poll is still live

 

[P4-630]

You can kill Onedrive completely, just uninstall it.

Don't remember how I did it exactly but at least it's completely disabled on my systems....

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Updates tend to reinstall onedrive and now teams if you have office installed.

 

[Vayra86]

There is a lot of stuff that annoys me in this post, but the only thing I will say is this: You may take tons of shitty lolmemes with your phone but some of us do not.

I will also say this: you are weak for not rolling your own email.

So if you do take non shitty important pictures you want to save, why do you not want to have them stored locally? I'm genuinely interested now in that rationale.

Email, is more of an acquired taste. I'm still on the very same hotmail account I made when I was 13. I'll agree right away that this is cloud, too... At the same time, marked differences because functionally Hotmail has been identical, or near identical for the last two decades and then some; and remained free. Cloud storage is not quite so stable in general.

Feel free to point out everything else that annoys you, this is a 'how do you feel about' topic... I honestly don't mind and please do point out my hypocrisy in this too. I might learn a thing

Even when it says that it is uninstalled it seems that Windows 10/11 actually runs at least the drivers for that in the background and may be the top layer on your storage array. In Windows 7 there was no issue swapping drives but with 11 especially you have to use a program like Disk Wizard or Miray to get a drive that has Windows installed on it formatted to the point where it removes those 2 files that reside on Windows boot drives. Even RAID 0 drives have to use a program to format them properly if you separate the array in Windows 11. I may be wrong but something caused me not be able to play Forza Horizon after upgrading to Windows 11 without re-downloading it. One thing I do is only save files to this PC when installing Windows but it seems Onedrive is built into Windows OS and stores at least your Gamepass credentials as I can't even access the files and the folder is hidden.

On W10 I don't see this at all. I do know its a persistent motherfucker on 11.

I even checked services, and there's not a single one running.

Hi,
Updates tend to reinstall onedrive and now teams if you have office installed.

Office is another such item I would gladly omit from my Windows OS... its a commercial tool and like you say opts in on other services and before you know it, you're stuck with the whole shebang. There is OpenOffice...

Luckily I still have an Office XP Pro... Still works a charm, does everything it needs to... and stays identical. Also no ribbons. Aaahhhhh glorious. Although I gotta say the ribbons are something to get used to, and when you do, they're okay, ish.

Cloud is just a marketing term. If you want to get literal, then sure, there is no cloud. But is that the point? No.

The point of "the cloud" is there is a "place" (regardless the fact it is "virtual") where data is stored that can be accessed from any device with Internet access.

Whether you trust the cloud to store your data or not is an individual decision. But many individuals and companies do - and without problems. Me? Again I do trust the cloud to not lose my data. I just don't trust it to keep it secure. So (partly due to my age) it is likely I will never in my lifetime store any personal or sensitive files out there I would not want the bad guys to get ahold of.

Yep... technically I trust the cloud... But technical perspective isn't reality and certainly not security.

 

[claes]

Who’s to say you can’t do both? I keep important stuff locally, then backup to my NAS, and keep a final backup in the cloud (which is in and of itself redundant).

 

[ThrashZone]

Office is another such item I would gladly omit from my Windows OS... its a commercial tool and like you say opts in on other services and before you know it, you're stuck with the whole shebang. There is OpenOffice...

Luckily I still have an Office XP Pro... Still works a charm, does everything it needs to... and stays identical. Also no ribbons. Aaahhhhh glorious. Although I gotta say the ribbons are something to get used to, and when you do, they're okay, ish.


Yep... technically I trust the cloud... But technical perspective isn't reality and certainly not security.

Hi,
Yep got a couple cheap office 2016 pro licenses off godeals24 a while back for x299 and z490 rigs my other x99 machine has office 2007 small business I had it on x299 to but ms eat the license changing mother boards to much on x299
I think I went through 4 x299 boards before I found a decent one being the apex dirt cheap on ebay.

2007 office is the first version with the ribbon so I'm sort of used to it so 2016 isn't much different but seeing both copies were only about 30-40.us it's

 

[lexluthermiester]

Then there is One Drive that I wish I could turn off completely

You can, uninstall OneDrive. It's that simple.

 

[windwhirl]

You can, uninstall OneDrive. It's that simple.

And for a change of routine, compared to other Microsoft apps, nothing complicated to it, just go the app list and use the Uninstall option.

 

[Frick]

So if you do take non shitty important pictures you want to save, why do you not want to have them stored locally? I'm genuinely interested now in that rationale.

Onedrive = automatic sync between systems without hassle or any kind of admin on my part. Sync to cloud from phone, download to Onedrive locally on the desktop. And I meant i do not have a metric shitton of bad pics, I have a moderate amount of nice pics, so those 100GB will last a good long while.

 

[Vayra86]

Onedrive = automatic sync between systems without hassle or any kind of admin on my part. Sync to cloud from phone, download to Onedrive locally on the desktop. And I meant i do not have a metric shitton of bad pics, I have a moderate amount of nice pics, so those 100GB will last a good long while.

Understood and I also did experience Onedrive. Its not bad, among cloud storage on Windows certainly among the best. But 100GB... thats 10% space on a regular sized current SSD even. Thats what, 10-12 bucks worth of local space. Of course onedrives dont go bad. But still...

 

[Steevo]

There is no cloud, it’s just someone else’s computer.