I am a newbie and need big help regarding cpu clock speed

[Adish]

Hello, I am really frustraed with this problem
I have an intel i7 10510u max turbo speed is 4.9ghz I want to play games at 3.3 ghz constant so I set turbo ratio limit to 33 but whenever I play GTA , the turbo clock dips down to 2.4ghz eventho I set it to run at 3.3ghz Why? does this happen I want it to run at 3.3ghz Pls help Im frustrated

I searched internet and they say something about power limits, Im a noob when it comes to this can someone help me resolve this issue?
I want it to stay 3.3ghz without any dip while gaming

 

[Mussels]

Because it's not magic, all hardware has limits.

The main limits you would be hitting are power limits, and thermal limits. @unclewebb can give the best advice on this one

 

[Adish]

is there anyway to get past the power limit? I get really less fps due to this clock speed

I searched internet and there seems to be options for disabling power limits, I dont know if itll work is it possible to disable power limit through throttlestop?
@unclewebb thank you for creating this program you are an amazing person

 

[Mussels]

is there anyway to get past the power limit? I get really less fps due to this clock speed

I searched internet and there seems to be options for disabling power limits, I dont know if itll work is it possible to disable power limit through throttlestop?
@unclewebb thank you for creating this program you are an amazing person

You need to know which limiter you are hitting.

If its thermal, fixing issues with the cooling will help.
If its power, tweaking values may help (disabling IGP if it has two GPUs, locking to a middle GHz value instead of right at the max)
You're on mains power, with a working battery, yes? Original charger?

Unclewebb can help tell you which of those it is, and go from there

 

[Adish]

You need to know which limiter you are hitting.

If its thermal, fixing issues with the cooling will help.
If its power, tweaking values may help (disabling IGP if it has two GPUs, locking to a middle GHz value instead of right at the max)
You're on mains power, with a working battery, yes? Original charger?

Unclewebb can help tell you which of those it is, and go from there

I dont think the issue is thermal

I have two gpus yes, and my max clock speed is 4.9ghz and I tried to lock mine to 3.2ghz but while gaming it dips to 2.4ghz
yes I use the original charger and stuff Im on a laptop cooling is fine even with 3.2ghz I should be able to stay under 90 degrees celsius easily

 

[Mussels]

You're the one with the laptop and the software - you'll have to monitor and tell me (and UW when he wakes up) what the software is showing.

Try locking to say, 2.8 and see what happens. Does it still tank to 2.4? You mention "should" be under 90C... but is it? you need to tell me.


Download and run HWinfo64, leave it running before and after one of these gaming sessions (without your clock changes!) and post a screenshot - it'll show us a lot of info

 

[pavle]

Indeed. Adish, you never informed us about your CPU temperatures. Two reasons your CPU does that - either it isn't used as much and doesn't need to hit higher clocks, or the second - it's hot or draws too much power. How much power is your mainboard set to give your CPU (max.)?

 

[Adish]

Alright guys, I will do some gaming but for now I did a TS Bench and I will show the complete results

here are my settings I set to 2.8ghz as requested by mussels

and I got bad news, during ts bench I took a notice and it still dips to exactly around 2.4ghz

The temps seem be to fine not going more than 80C
also for reference I will include the throttlestop screen before I started doing the TS Bench

 

[unclewebb]

The 10510U is a low power processor with a 15W TDP rating. It is designed to slow down so it does not exceed 15W. That is exactly what ThrottleStop shows. Power limit throttling at 14.9W. Your CPU is running exactly as intended.

Can it go higher than 15W? Maybe. Post a screenshot of the ThrottleStop TPL window.

 

[Adish]

I reverted the throttlestop settings for now cause I was getting massive stutters with 2.4ghz clock speed dip also @unclewebb here is the TPL window

 

[unclewebb]

Your TPL settings show that your CPU is set to throttle at 15W. That is the typical default setting.

Set PL1 to 30W and check the MMIO Lock box. Do another test and watch ThrottleStop to see if your CPU can maintain more than 15W. Some laptops are hard locked to 15W and there is nothing you can do about that. I have seen some 10510U go over 50W. It all depends on what a manufacturer has left unlocked. Set your turbo ratios back to at least 40 when testing.

 

[Adish]

Like this? are these settings fine about to do a TS Bench


Also, here is some TDP stuff about my cpu i7 10510U specified by Intel it says 25W I dont what this is but maybe helpful i guess @unclewebb

 

[unclewebb]

Like this?

Yes.

The first line of the Intel specifications is exactly what I told you. The 10510U has a 15W TDP rating. It can go up to 25W but long term, it is set to throttle so it does not exceed 15W.

What is the verdict? After you made those changes to ThrottleStop, can you run long term beyond 15W or does your computer still throttle down to 15W? Open Limit Reasons and watch for throttling. Run something simple like a Cinebench R20 or R23 test so you can watch CPU speed, power consumption and any reasons for throttling while Cinebench is running.

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[Mussels]

It's a 15W chip, but the laptop maker can choose to allow 25W - they can also choose not to.

Intel U chips are low power consumption models, NOT gaming models. See if UW's settings allow you to use that extra 10W

 

[Adish]

Bad news Its still throttling down to 15W, ahhh

 

[unclewebb]

The 10510U is a fantastic chip when the power limits are left unlocked.
The same CPU is not nearly as much fun when locked down to 15W.

 

[Adish]

I guess there is no way to permanently unlock it I guess
seeing the first few seconds showing 50W is amazing and then it dips to 15W

 

[unclewebb]

I guess there is no way to permanently unlock it

Your computer is likely using an embedded controller (EC) that is programmed to send a 15W power limit to the CPU. There is no known way to bypass this limit.

Next time you buy a laptop, now you know what features to look for. Good cooling and fully unlocked turbo power limits.

 

[Adish]

thanks a lot unclewebb, also one more question instead of disabling speedstep in bios, I use throttlestop to keep it disabled and run it while gaming
is it perfectly fine?
I run my games at 2.3ghz speedstep disabled with throttlestop

 

[unclewebb]

Your computer is using the newer Speed Shift Technology (SST). That means whether you decide to enable or disable SpeedStep makes zero difference. SpeedStep has no control over your CPU speed when Speed Shift is enabled.

When Speed Shift is enabled, try using the Speed Shift Min and Max values in the TPL window to control your CPU speed. Make sure you check the Speed Shift box.

 

[Adish]

yes but If I use speed shift and go over 2.4ghz it will still throttle back down due to 15W limit

guess sticking with 2.3ghz is only option now sadly