I don't think Ryzen 9900x3d is just being announced next month, I think it's launching next month.

[Space Lynx]

Evidence:

Historically if we look at various motherboard BIOS updates: MSI X570 Tomahawk for one example of many, the 5800x3d launched less than 30 days after the BIOS update for its support. All motherboards already have the BIOS update for 9900x3d ready to go for awhile now, mine has had it for over two weeks, and computex everyone says 9900x3d will be announced, but not launched, I disagree, I think AMD is going to hit a home run with this one and come out the gates swinging to impress stockholders, and then later this summer AI will keep their stockholders happy, its a small punch then a big punch for AMD, as they are still working on the mass production of the AI Instinct.

Another piece of evidence is all the lightning sales, like I got my 7800x3d from Microcenter for $196, and Amazon is even got it for $329 shipped, they are all clearing inventory fast... gee I wonder why

What do you think lads and lasses?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

9000 series launched, 9000X3D announced.

 

[Space Lynx]

9000 series launched, 9000X3D announced.

yeah cause they know they will struggle to sell the other chips once the x3d ones launch... lol poor AMD shot itself in the own foot with the x3d. for most builders, the majority anyway, I think most builders that do new builds are probably gamers.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It depends on how much of a leap 9000 non 3D is, is my guess. It's not like intel will have anything till 2025 to compete

If vanilla 9000 is noticeably better in gaming/applications then they may hold it back to make a splash next year prior to Core ultra late edition coming out.

 

[Space Lynx]

It depends on how much of a leap 9000 non 3D is, is my guess. It's not like intel will have anything till 2025 to compete

If vanilla 9000 is noticeably better in gaming/applications then they may hold it back to make a splash next year prior to Core ultra late edition coming out.

I expect the Count von is correct in his statement, we will get non-x3d next month, and then they will hold back x3d to do exactly what you are saying.

If 9900x3d comes next month... lads... grab my arms and hold me back cause I don't know if I can resist.

 

[dirtyferret]

why risk cannibalizing sales of the top tier 9000 series. Intel isn't offering that much competition.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I suggest that because they have to get the vanilla chips working perfectly before they can start stacking cache on them, so it makes sense that they would release them first.

Also it allows them to build up a stock to bin for X3D chips. And if the performance upgrade isn't huge, then it can put off the bad news.

 

[Space Lynx]

I suggest that because they have to get the vanilla chips working perfectly before they can start stacking cache on them, so it makes sense that they would release them first.

Also it allows them to build up a stock to bin for X3D chips. And if the performance upgrade isn't huge, then it can put off the bad news.

your argument makes a lot of sense, only thing I would change is that I believe best bins go to 7950x x3d or non-x3d, it doesn't matter, the 12 and 16 core parts get the best bins regardless, I may be wrong on this though as chiplet design has changed things

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I think the chips that run cool up to the voltage the cache runs at but don't have a lot of headroom beyond would make the most sense for X3D chips.

 

[SomeOne99h]

If 9900x3d comes next month... lads... grab my arms and hold me back cause I don't know if I can resist.

Okay, done!

 

[datnoz]

honestly, if the r9 9900x is better (not intel's definition of better) than 7900x3d then my next upgrade is not gonna be 5900x but rather a 9600x

 

[Space Lynx]

honestly, if the r9 9900x is better (not intel's definition of better) than 7900x3d then my next upgrade is not gonna be 5900x but rather a 9600x

the love emoji is because of the doggo, I love dogs

 

[dirtyferret]

If 9900x3d comes next month... lads... grab my arms and hold me back cause I don't know if I can resist

only in PC gamer build land can go from a 7900x in 2022 to a 7900X3D in 2023 to 9900x in 2024 to a 9900x3d in 2025 and still tell people you buy these CPUs to "future proof"

 

[Space Lynx]

only in PC gamer build land can go from a 7900x in 2022 to a 7900X3D in 2023 to 9900x in 2024 to a 9900x3d in 2025 and still tell people you buy these CPUs to "future proof"

it's more I think it's a hobby and we are just bored.

same reason those car guys will constantly tinker with their car. (my retired uncles are this way)

or the headphones guy own 20+ cans at a time. (I know a lot of these types)

meh it is what it is

 

[Assimilator]

9000 series launched, 9000X3D announced.

And your evidence for this is...?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

And your evidence for this is...?

Scientific wild-ass guess.

Space Lynx asked for our thoughts, I provided mine.

It was mostly based on a staggered release schedule that AMD has done for the past couple of generations.

 

[Space Lynx]

Scientific wild-ass guess.

Space Lynx asked for our thoughts, I provided mine.

It was mostly based on a staggered release schedule that AMD has done for the past couple of generations.

yeah they did this in the past too, I just forgot, that's why I agreed with you so quickly, it makes since and they have done it before, I just forgot.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If AMD is wise, there will be no Ryzen 9 9900X3D or 9950X3D without two X3D CCDs.

But honestly, I don't see why the rush. At least not yet.

 

[Space Lynx]

If AMD is wise, there will be no Ryzen 9 9900X3D or 9950X3D without two X3D CCDs.

But honestly, I don't see why the rush. At least not yet.

only reason I can think of is their stocks have been hurting lately.

sometimes timing of product releases need to coincide with making your shareholders happy.

 

[neatfeatguy]

What do I think?

I think I'm still bummed out that they didn't produce any 5900X3D. I would have gotten one. But that's neither here nor there.

I like watching the advancement AMD has been doing and as much as I'd like to always get new hardware (who doesn't?) I'm content with the 5900X I'm running with. I don't know if they're launching anytime soon, but it'll be fun to see what kind of improvements they bring to the table with the 9xxx series.

 

[kapone32]

If AMD is wise, there will be no Ryzen 9 9900X3D or 9950X3D without two X3D CCDs.

But honestly, I don't see why the rush. At least not yet.

Are you still moaning about that?

 

[SL2]

All motherboards already have the BIOS update for 9900x3d ready to go for awhile now, mine has had it for over two weeks, and computex everyone says 9900x3d will be announced, but not launched, I disagree, I think AMD is going to hit a home run with this one and come out the gates swinging to impress stockholders, and then later this summer AI will keep their stockholders happy, its a small punch then a big punch for AMD, as they are still working on the mass production of the AI Instinct.

I think the time between -X and -3D models is to small this time around, there's simply no point in delaying the latter in updates. Tho I have no clue if said time is 4 months or 0 days.

 

[Dr. Dro]

only reason I can think of is their stocks have been hurting lately.

sometimes timing of product releases need to coincide with making your shareholders happy.

Investor focus is laser-pointed onto the AI endeavor. AMD hasn't announced anything groundbreaking in this vein yet, despite successful launches of products that were being developed by Xilinx and their Instinct accelerators, no doubt including this onto their server earnings report. AMD's server and client segment businesses have been strong and posted highly favorable results - not enough to stop the AI fever, though.

That's compounded by the perception that the Radeon business and the embedded segment are just about at the point that - where someone who's looking it objectively from an investment standpoint and doesn't really care about anything other than the company making money - are currently being a liability to the company. Earnings on these segments were bitterly disappointing and Radeon in particular was on the verge of losing money.

$INTC is cratering and it looks like they're about to have their Bulldozer era in the strictest sense of the word. Intel's now worth peanuts, stock is currently down and under $30, with a market cap of only $125B. I'm wondering how didn't Jensen make an offer to purchase the entire company wholesale yet. If $INTC goes as low as $AMD did back in the day, that is, $1.5-$2 realm, I think i'll be purchasing some shares and stowing them away. and I'm gonna buy TONS, because the chance that Intel eventually comes back from that as AMD did is super high indeed.

Other side, Nvidia's been making moves here, announcing their new Rubin microarchitecture as they're starting to field Blackwell hardware to major AI customers $NVDA is at 899 right now, still on the rise, 2.25T market capitalization.

Anyway, that's just my personal outlook on it, it's not really financial advice and more or less reflects my personal bias and what i'd personally do if I had a whole bunch of extra cash to invest.

Are you still moaning about that?

Well, you're clearly still upset about it!

 

[Space Lynx]

Investor focus is laser-pointed onto the AI endeavor. AMD hasn't announced anything groundbreaking in this vein yet, despite successful launches of products that were being developed by Xilinx and their Instinct accelerators, no doubt including this onto their server earnings report. AMD's server and client segment businesses have been strong and posted highly favorable results - not enough to stop the AI fever, though.

That's compounded by the perception that the Radeon business and the embedded segment are just about at the point that - where someone who's looking it objectively from an investment standpoint and doesn't really care about anything other than the company making money - are currently being a liability to the company. Earnings on these segments were bitterly disappointing and Radeon in particular was on the verge of losing money.

$INTC is cratering and it looks like they're about to have their Bulldozer era in the strictest sense of the word. Intel's now worth peanuts, I'm wondering how didn't Jensen make an offer to purchase the entire company wholesale yet. If $INTC goes as low as $AMD did back in the day, that is, $1.5-$2 realm,, I think i'll be purchasing some shares and stowing them away. and I'm gonna buy TONS, because the chance that Intel eventually comes back from that as AMD did is super high indeed.

Other side, Nvidia's been making moves here, announcing their new Rubin microarchitecture as they're starting to field Blackwell hardware to major AI customers $NVDA is at 899 right now, still on the rise, 2.25T market capitalization.

Anyway, that's just my personal outlook on it, it's not really financial advice and more or less reflects my personal bias and what i'd personally do if I had a whole bunch of extra cash to invest.



Well, you're clearly still upset about it!

there is market room for lots of player in AI. AMD just needs a little more time, which is why I said small punch for investors next month with 9000 series surprise launch, and AI will be optimized and ready to mass produce at a greater level later in the year, they are moving fast on it - its a brilliant move if this is indeed what they are doing, as it keeps stock price rising throughout the year. more investment = more AI

 

[SL2]

If AMD is wise, there will be no Ryzen 9 9900X3D or 9950X3D without two X3D CCDs.

As benchmarks have shown that not all games are struggling with the 7950X3D I guess we won't see it this time around, it's a software issue.

Maybe you should get an EPYC 4004 series then, or I guess its successor in the future. Most definitely slower clocks, tho.