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How much can GeForce4-MX440-8X AGP expected to score in today standard ?
There is such a junkyard at home, but a little better than in the picture. Graphics score was around 2, I don't remember exactly, I was surprised Good if the system is working properly.
 

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There is such a junkyard at home, but a little better than in the picture. Graphics score was around 2, I don't remember exactly, I was surprised Good if the system is working properly.

No proper agp gart was released for Nforce chipsets, they scrapped it in vista
 

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The award is yours, if you can get a Pentium 3 1Ghz 1GB SDRAM running windows7
Vista "ran" on it when I tried it back in 2008. Though I had 1.5GB RAM so that helped a little.

I could try Win7 with a 1GHz Athlon though it's a DDR platform.
 
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First thing I do on each OS installation is disabling all but the essential services. It's kinda mandatory with each Windows starting from XP. Someone mentioned most of the well known ones. I've screwed many installations, but learned what are the essential ones. Hard way, but everything in life has a price. Apart from services (biggest threat), scheduled tasks tweaking (I disable all), hosts file tweaking and a few other things will make your system well secured without need for any kind of AV. The last time I had a malware on my machines is in the XP days, well over a decade.
 
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While I see the point you make, I disagree to a certain degree. Real-time scanners for expert and power users is not a necessity, having an AV installed for incidental use is still a requirement. In my case I have to be able to scan files I'm processing at one of the sites I'm staff at. No AV? Not a risk I'm willing to take. And before anyone mentions VirusTotal, it's more efficient to use a local scanner.
true enough; i had to scan something once every month tho and its mostly bc im not entirely certain about a torrents provenance or something
(just not downloading it would've been the smarter/safer choice but oh well :^)
 

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I Got Win7 running with GeForce4 MX440 @ 1366x768 finally

Before this Win7 keep saying video drivers are up to date, but in the resolution dropdown list no 16:9 formats available.

I Got Win7 running with GeForce4 MX440 @ 1366x768 finally

Before this Win7 keep saying video drivers are up to date, but in the resolution dropdown list no 16:9 formats available.
 

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Had an mx440 circa 2005 and output it to an HD 720p TV iirc. Terrible card but could play some games... Vintage.

Must have been on Xp.

Think it was upgraded to a 6800 Vanilla with unlocked pipes. Still have that card somewhere...
 
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true enough; i had to scan something once every month tho and its mostly bc im not entirely certain about a torrents provenance or something
(just not downloading it would've been the smarter/safer choice but oh well :^)
If you want to use a lighter and yet still effective AV, ClamWin is excellent. It doesn't have a realtime scanner, doesn't run anything behind the back and is perfect for those who want an actively updated lightweight AV.
 
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I know this post will come off as a bit inflammatory, but is hard to justify upgrading from windows 7 to windows 10 based on performance issues/improvements alone.

I have a very high end system (tetra cpu cluster running on aprox. 512tb of ram) which excels at computational tasks and run windows 10/11 at nominal speed, yet, I have a quad core (q9400 - 5gb ddr2) running windows 10 LTSC, and is actually snappier than windows vista ever was....

So whether you have no clue about OS optimizations, or the current PC market simply pushes you to upgrade into unnecessary hardware requirements which make business sense
and unless you can justify running compilers more efficiently on windows 7 vs windows 10 (MinGW, GNU, Intel C++ Borland or even Fortran), one is simply better than the other.

Yes,, windows 7 IS incredibly feasible (usable) in 2022
 
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Can people stop crapping in this thread? We Windows 7 fans don't care about your nay-saying, your uninformed conceptions and misguided opinions. Put bluntly, put a cork in your piehole and take your nonsense elsewhere!

I wasn't crapping the thread, though... I simply pointed an opportunity for Valve to grab some of those migrating from Windows 7 into their own operating system, since one of the chief complaints about newer versions of Windows is that they have a larger footprint which hurts gaming performance. You may not take it, but Valve might convince some people to do so - and that is probably for the greater good.

Steam is 'stupidly laggy' because of cr*p like social media integration, self-promotion, auto-playing videos, etc, than anything remotely related to the OS version. Reality check - Steam still uses the "old" Win32/64 API which is actually far less bloated than W10 exclusive UWP API. (The number of UWP apps I've seen for simple stuff like fan controllers or calculators that are 10x the size of what they're replacing whilst claiming to "do away with legacy bloat" is comical...) Lack of XP compatibility for Steam is due to compiling for newer VCRedist, etc, versions (Microsoft only support as far back as Vista for VC2022), not because Valve 'debloated' anything with a magic wand they day they dropped XP support. Even GOG Galaxy suffers the same thing for the same reason - social media integration, import plugins for every other store for that "Meta-Client" experience, etc. Conversely, GOG offline installers don't need any client at all at which point the same games on the same OS (inc W7) start up lightning fast, almost as if the problem is "bloated clients are trendy because muh cheevements and Facebook and Twitter and Discord and...", etc, rather than be anything remotely to do with the OS version (or the games)...

tl:dr - Blaming older lightweight OS's for modern social media centric software bloat is like arguing "wearing huge pants make you fat".

Almost all of the features you brought up are simply basic webpage functionality. Runtime isn't going to cause issues, as you've said yourself, Windows 7 is still compatible with the latest version of the Visual C++ runtime. In fact, you can run Steam without the browser functionality by appending -no-browser to the shortcut, that way it doesn't load CEF and it becomes very fast with only a ~ 30 MB RAM footprint, the downside is that almost nothing works other than the mini mode. Chat (social media integration as you've brought up) actually still works without CEF, it simply reverts to the older 2010 UI's chat window.

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Steam extensively relies on CEF. Once CEF stops working on Windows 7, so will Steam. Even the game library is, in fact, a web application:

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Valve extended the functionality of Steam to allow Windows XP to run it for a while longer by deliberately letting it get out of date back then. I recall they left it on Chromium 49 for quite a while back then... and eventually it just wasn't keeping up with most of the internet (and Steam's pages themselves), then they dropped it.

Anyhow, a lot of the pro-Steam arguments I see is that it's an easy-to-use, social gaming platform, and that Epic doesn't offer the same degree of integration. Which really makes it a contradicting argument, IMO.
 
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I wasn't crapping the thread, though...
You're missing the point..
I simply pointed an opportunity for Valve to grab some of those migrating from Windows 7 into their own operating system
..this is a thread about Windows 7 in 2022. We don't care about Steam OS. It's not what we're discussing or are interested in.

Anyhow, a lot of the pro-Steam arguments I see is that it's an easy-to-use, social gaming platform, and that Epic doesn't offer the same degree of integration. Which really makes it a contradicting argument, IMO.
Again, we don't care. This thread is about Windows 7! It's not about what you are blabbering on about.

I'm not saying what you're talking about isn't cool, because let's be fair, SteamOS has come a long way and is actually worthy of consideration. But it doesn't belong here.

So yes, you're doing some thread crapping. Not cool man.
 
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I don't know, I don't feel like I'm crapping the thread, even though I am not encouraging its use.

I don't mind anyone using it for legitimate personal reasons, but for gaming, it's just something that's not going to work. Bringing up valid points as to why someone who is gaming on PC should leave Windows 7 is also discussion surrounding - and concerning - it and its use in the current context. Even if it's not encouraging discourse. That's about it.
 
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even though I am not encouraging its use.
And there we have it.
I don't mind anyone using it for legitimate personal reasons
Gee, thanks. We appreciate your blessing...:rolleyes::slap:
but for gaming, it's just something that's not going to work.
Moose muffins! TONS of games still run well perfectly on 7. In fact, few don't.

Stop making excuses for your thread crapping and just stop.
 
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Agreed! We're Here to explore and learn each other's memories of the OS. Just now installing it on my 775 Build along side WIN10LTSC, WIN11 (just I know the feature updates break 7 to boot where I'm forced to create a OS image when I'm done with everything just in case it happens) so "Installing on the IDE Laptop HDD" just bc I like the experience of seeing that custom Fish boot Logo spin
 

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I Got Win7 running with GeForce4 MX440 @ 1366x768 finally

Before this Win7 keep saying video drivers are up to date, but in the resolution dropdown list no 16:9 formats available.

I Got Win7 running with GeForce4 MX440 @ 1366x768 finally

Before this Win7 keep saying video drivers are up to date, but in the resolution dropdown list no 16:9 formats available.
You are using longhorn
 
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Your Choice. Windows 7 is the legend of my adolescence. It's fine on an older equipped computer that is still supported, but I think it can cause problems on existing computers that are newly equipped. If you installed it on a computer with up-to-date hardware, how did you handle the Driver issue?

I remember in 1995 PC magazine published their annual PC comparison benchmarking 200+ desktops. In the mix it was about 60% Win 95 and 40% W4WGs. I was confused as to why the performanc etables were like 50 pages apart ... so you couldn't compare. many vendors submitted multiple versions of the same desktops, just with the different OS ... on the same hardware, W4WGs was 40% faster than Win95 on then current hardware. Now while that doesn't mean you can put on an old OS on new hardware, obviously because the old OS won't have the newer CPU instruction sets. But nothing has changed since with respect to "down grading" your system by sticking a new OS on an old box. Unless that hardware was close to new and was designed to run the new OS.

My current desktop was built in Nov 2013 w/ GTX cards and it runs AutoCAD faster than my company 2022 laptop with nVidia's pro GFX card.
 
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Hi,
Funny gpu incompatibility was brought up :laugh:
30 series has plenty of drivers for win-7 and is only just now coming down in price.

40... series who cares it will take a year before prices settle now that amd 79 series performance was over hyped
Never cared for amd gpu's anyway so don't care if it has 7 drivers or not I just like the pricing competition :cool:
 
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I'm actually working on comparing a 6800XT and 2080 Ti on Windows 7.
 
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I'm actually working on comparing a 6800XT and 2080 Ti on Windows 7.

I always use "driver only" for the display card with an external config program such as Afterbuner or Memory Tweak. The reason for this is less programs bouncing around in Task Manager, the better for my old computer.
 
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I do without. Overall it's faster because you have one less program eating up CPU time. ..."AMD Memory Tweak" is what I am currently using to set clocks/voltages/fan speed.
Oh come on, Install the control panel. Unless you're on a single-core and 1GB of RAM, neither the AMD nor the NVidia control panels will do anything to performance, even when left open.
 
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