I want to make a final decision on GPU replacement

[oxrufiioxo]

I would wait for Nvidia 7nm shrink. A 1070 is still a pretty capable card. My hope is that at some point AMD will be competitive in the high end again but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

On an alternative note - Could i interest you in another 1070 for SLi? you could have 2080Ti performance for twice the heat and twice the power consumption at 1/3 of the price of an actual 2080TI

 

[EntropyZ]

On an alternative note - Could i interest you in another 1070 for SLi? you could have 2080Ti performance for twice the heat and twice the power consumption at 1/3 of the price of an actual 2080TI

Thing is, the motherboard I am using for my main system has only 1 PCI-E slot. I traded multi-GPU for closer memory slots to get better stable timings when dialing them in for lower latency (Ryzen be like that sometimes), that and to be able to just pop it in a mini-ITX case whenever I needed to travel. The sister system that is very similar to the one I am using is in my summer home, if I ever need to game on holidays back in my home country, I honestly haven't used that one in a while so my brother is making partial use of it, I doubt he needs a better GPU as he is mostly using a smartphone for pretty much everything except for a few use cases.

At some point I really did want to SLI two 1070's. just for the system to look beastly and what-not, but with NVIDIA now putting the hammer down multi-GPU. It seems like now it is something for people using older cards to get the amazing performance of yesteryear which costed a lot previously, when the new cards overtake old ones completely and the old become increasingly obsolete for modern gaming.

I still take a look at some YT reviewers taking a peek at SLI performance, but it's very rare when someone does it and then again it's usually older gen cards, just to take a look back at what once was, but costed a lot. One day someone is going SLI two Pascal cards and say that those were some good cards for their time.

I would wait for Nvidia 7nm shrink. A 1070 is still a pretty capable card. My hope is that at some point AMD will be competitive in the high end again but I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, I've been watching the space... and since 7nm is doing quite well in the factories. In gaming, nVIDIA is most likely going to smash whatever AMD has, again!

Anyway, I missed a lot of games to play, while I am still returning to my classics for nostalgic purposes, Oblivion runs like ass if you mess with distant objects, but without them it looks like you are just looking at bare height-map with a texture on it, haha. I really wanted RE2 remake and DMC5 for a long time, but now that the games are here, I'm thinking I can wait, they're not going anywhere. The only other thing I was truly waiting for was Final Fantasy VII remake, but with mods the original still stands the test of time for me.

It's funny when I think about it, I upgraded the system just to go back and play something older instead, but the games been modded the snot out of it, and even then modern hardware features are completely under-utilized.

It's not those times anymore where your previous gen card makes newer games unplayable, GPUs tend to last a lot longer than they used to because there isn't a killer app or devs actually optimize their games by including as many rendering tricks as possible.

I think with RTX, nVidia tried to make Pascal obsolete with the "features" that looked like what hardware is capable through trickery and crippled performance even on Turing. Smart people didn't fall for that crap. The only thing worth upgrading to for 1080 Ti users was the obvious 2080 Ti, but at what cost... It seems like an Intel tax where they simply charge you for their defective dies to make on the losses.

 

[John Naylor]

Well here's the data, see what makes sense for you @ your 2560x1080 resolution

With your resolution, the reference 1080 Ti is about 7-9% faster then the 2070.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_RTX_2070_Gaming_Z/33.html

I'll pick MSI Gaming X as TPU has testes both for the comparison

In UK .... 1080 Ti is £966.40 / 2070 is £519.98 ... I don't like new cards unless from someone you know well.

The MSI Gaming 2070 OC test realized a 12.62% gain
The MSI Gaming1080 Ti OC test realized a 14.66% gain

Overall that stretched the performance edge from 7 - 9 % to 9 - 11%

The MSI Gaming 2070 sound levels are 0 at idle and 30 dbA at load
The MSI Gaming 1080 Ti sound levels are 0 at idle and 35 dba at load (41% louder)

The MSI Gaming 2070 temps @ Load +OC are 70C
The MSI Gaming 1080 Ti temps @ Load +OC are 72C

The MSI Gaming 2070 Power consumption @ peak gaming is 233 watts
The MSI Gaming 1080 Ti Power consumption @ peak gaming is 303 watts ... @ 30 hours per week that's $28 (21 GBP) a year based upon UK 2018 average pricing

With a 75 Hz Freesync monitor however, more than likely, your monitor is not one of the few that support G-Sync so no luck w/ either likely. You also can't use Motion Blur (ULMB) or Ray Tracing with either card. If you had support, Ray Tracing would come into play on any game where you could get say 100+ fps. With RT eating a third of that, would bring you down to say 66 fps .... if you could hit 112, then RT would bring you down to about the limit of your monitor.

I don't see RT as an attempt to make older cards obsolete .... its just an added "free feature" same as 3D Surround, PhysX, ULMB. Here's an analogy, I walk into a dealership to buy a new SUV, they have two models on the floor.... my wife likies the blue one, I like the the white one but really don't care about the color.

The salesman explains that they are both the same price, same gas mileage, same acceleration. The white one has air conditioning, (analogous to PhysX in this example) blue one doesn't. Wife pipes in, "well it's not like every day you are going to need AC", I'm thinking "well it's there if I want it and it's not costing me anything". The salesman adds, the white one also has 4 WD (RT in my example), wife pipes in, "well it's not like every day you are going to need4WD all the time and it costs gas mileage", I'm thinking "well it's there if I want it, I'm not required to use it so doesn't have to cost me on mileage, it does improve riding on muddy jobsites and snow, and it's not costing me anything". Salesman adds "the white one has a performance package (ULMB) .... and it does have Eco and performance modes, wider tires, along with better headlights and a GPS system.". I'm not listening to my wife anymore

So, no I don't think these new features make older cards or vehicles "obsolete" but I do think that new features do allow for an improved experience. And these experiences are in no way diminished just because I may not to get a chance to use them every day. On that 95 degree day that I am stuck in traffic... I am going to tun on the AC and if the game supports PhysX, I am going to use it. If I see 75-80 fps, I am going to turn off G-Sync and use ULMB.... If I am seeing 160 fps, I am going to use RT.

If keeping your Freesync monitor for the forseeable future, Id get the 1080 Ti .... if the monitor is the next upgrade, it's a tossup. Another option would be the 2070 Ti.... if ya willing to wait till late summer / early fall and perhaps gran a monitor at same time.

 

[Gasaraki]

Who knows when Navi is going to come out. There have been no news at all on that. If you're going to wait, you will always be waiting cause you can then wait for nVidia's response to Navi and then wait on AMD's response etc etc.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Who knows when Navi is going to come out. There have been no news at all on that. If you're going to wait, you will always be waiting cause you can then wait for nVidia's response to Navi and then wait on AMD's response etc etc.

I think a variant of Navi will launch in Zen 2 APUs mid-late this year. Discreet Navi won't be here until at least October if not later. If previous launches are anything to go buy, you'll have to sell your soul to get one in the first few months after launch anyway.

 

[overvolted]

Ok, I think I'll stay with a 1070. Unless I find a good deal, I won't be moving. It seems to be the right thing to do. I just gotta resist the teachings of the leather jacket man.

Sorry to cut it short, I didn't think I'd get the replies I did in a short time-span. So thanks a lot, without you TPU wouldn't be the same.

Maybe I should actually take a rest from playing games. I did mean to re-watch the "Evil Dead" movies for some time now. I have to find something to fill the void of boredom.

If you wanted to upgrade to something new, take a look at the rtx 2060. I play at 2560x1080 as well and it kicks ass.
Got mine as an open box for 320 bucks. Watch out for the deals.

 

[Valantar]

I think a variant of Navi will launch in Zen 2 APUs mid-late this year. Discreet Navi won't be here until at least October if not later. If previous launches are anything to go buy, you'll have to sell your soul to get one in the first few months after launch anyway.

There won't be any Zen 2 APUs this year, the 3000-series is confirmed to be based on Zen+, they're already launched for mobile. We'll likely have to wait until 2020 for Zen2 APUs, sadly.

If you wanted to upgrade to something new, take a look at the rtx 2060. I play at 2560x1080 as well and it kicks ass.
Got mine as an open box for 320 bucks. Watch out for the deals.

Wait, you're arguing for a $350-ish upgrade for... 15-ish percent more performance? That sounds like an even worse idea than getting a 2070.

 

[overvolted]

There won't be any Zen 2 APUs this year, the 3000-series is confirmed to be based on Zen+, they're already launched for mobile. We'll likely have to wait until 2020 for Zen2 APUs, sadly.


Wait, you're arguing for a $350-ish upgrade for... 15-ish percent more performance? That sounds like an even worse idea than getting a 2070.

I'm not arguing anything.
If you're compelled to spend money out of boredom, rather than necessity...what does it matter?

Maybe try thinking for yourself then...

 

[Valantar]

I'm not arguing anything.
If you're compelled to spend money out of boredom, rather than necessity...what does it matter?

Maybe try thinking for yourself then...

Which is exactly the point I made way before you came in here suggesting that the OP spend more than $300 on a card that barely outperforms their current one. How that's "not arguing anything" I'll leave up to you to explain. Same goes for the oddly aggressive tone.

 

[EntropyZ]

OK, I found someone that thought the RTX 2080 is a complete overkill of card. So I took it off his hands... I haven't had this much anticipation in me since I bought the GTX 1070.

I failed guys, forgive me for the gaming gains. And let's hope the deal was not too good to be true.

 

[Valantar]

OK, I found someone that thought the RTX 2080 is a complete overkill of card. So I took it off his hands... I haven't had this much anticipation in me since I bought the GTX 1070.

I failed guys, forgive me for the gaming gains. And let's hope the deal was not too good to be true.

Heh, I snickered a bit at this: someone bought a 2080, found it complete overkill, so you bought it off them despite knowing full well that it is complete overkill for you as well. That is the power of the upgrade itch! Some times I think this is the closest we humans get to that fungal infection that turns ants into spore-spreading zombies

I do hope you got a good deal, and that the card keeps you happy for years to come (or at least until it tempts you into a matching overkill monitor upgrade )

 

[EntropyZ]

I received the card today, it was in immaculate condition.

Well. I didn't have the proper time to review how the card is running in every scenario (work).

But Skyrim: SE framerates are more consistent and I still gained around 10 FPS in heavy areas with lots of NPC activity which was expected, due to the game not scaling that much in 1080p past a GTX 1070. ARMA 3 wasn't even trying to use more of the GPU, the card locked itself to a lower p-state for some reason and the game ran faster when v-sync was turned on (go figure).

Rise of The Tomb Raider. The card spits out framerates like it doesn't care, all on low usage and low temps.

Older poorly optimized games don't seem to like the card that much, probably have to put it on "prefer maximum performance" on the game profiles before I see anything.

Edit: Actually that did nothing for ARMA 3, still ran into 40 FPS without full utilization of CPU or GPU.

I'll be set for quite a while. I still want to keep the GTX 1070 for some reason, it served me so well I don't want to let go of it. Especially when it OC'ed really good while maintaining decent temps. Then again I want to break even for paying the RTX tax.

 

[AmioriK]

I feel ya, man. The itch

Gratz on the 2080, great card. It's not like AMD have anything better for the same price lol. even better since you got it cheaper?

Which is exactly the point I made way before you came in here suggesting that the OP spend more than $300 on a card that barely outperforms their current one. How that's "not arguing anything" I'll leave up to you to explain. Same goes for the oddly aggressive tone.

To be fair it'd give him the chance to play with RTX but.... yeah not sure that's worth the investment by itself lol. 2GB less VRAM and no perceivable difference in games. Ehm, hell, it might even perform worse since the 6GB.

 

[64K]

I received the card today, it was in immaculate condition.

Well. I didn't have the proper time to review how the card is running in every scenario (work).

But Skyrim: SE framerates are more consistent and I still gained around 10 FPS in heavy areas with lots of NPC activity which was expected, due to the game not scaling that much in 1080p past a GTX 1070. ARMA 3 wasn't even trying to use more of the GPU, the card locked itself to a lower p-state for some reason and the game ran faster when v-sync was turned on (go figure).

Rise of The Tomb Raider. The card spits out framerates like it doesn't care, all on low usage and low temps.

Older poorly optimized games don't seem to like the card that much, probably have to put it on "prefer maximum performance" on the game profiles before I see anything.

Edit: Actually that did nothing for ARMA 3, still ran into 40 FPS without full utilization of CPU or GPU.

I'll be set for quite a while. I still want to keep the GTX 1070 for some reason, it served me so well I don't want to let go of it. Especially when it OC'ed really good while maintaining decent temps. Then again I want to break even for paying the RTX tax.

The 2080 should be on average about 60% faster than your 1070. I would think that it's plenty for your 2560 X 1080 monitor.

It's always fun getting a new GPU. Enjoy.

 

[EntropyZ]

The 2080 should be on average about 60% faster than your 1070. I would think that it's plenty for your 2560 X 1080 monitor.

It's always fun getting a new GPU. Enjoy.

Yeah I'm still planning the overdue move to 3440x1440 @ 100-120hz, when most of the monitors become IPS, since only 2 exist that fit into having all 3. The biggest consideration was space. I think my speakers are going off the table as soon as I put a "34-35 panel anywhere near.