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Idea what to do with old & functional PC

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System Name Dirt Sheep | Silent Sheep
Processor i5-2400 | 13900K (-0.02mV offset)
Motherboard Asus P8H67-M LE | Gigabyte AERO Z690-G, bios F29 Intel baseline
Cooling Scythe Katana Type 1 | Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black
Memory G-skill 2*8GB DDR3 | Corsair Vengeance 4*32GB DDR5 5200Mhz C40 @4000MHz
Video Card(s) iGPU | NV 1080TI FE
Storage Micron 256GB SSD | 2*SN850 1TB, 230S 4TB, 840EVO 128GB, IronWolf 6TB, 2*HC550 18TB in RAID1
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Power Supply Enermax Pro82+ 525W | Corsair RM650x (2021)
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Keyboard Roccat Isku FX
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Software WIN 10 | WIN 11
Benchmark Scores CB23 SC: i5-2400=641 | i9-13900k=2281 MC: i5-2400=i9 13900k SC | i9-13900k=35500
Don't sure if it's the right category but anyway:

The components are describe at the system spec. It is i5-2400, 16GB DDR3 based with 256 ssd.

It is unused now, I wonder what to do with it except throw away for recycling.
Creative ideas are welcome :)
 
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Use it? Donate it? It's plenty powerful for everyday use.
 
NAS, Firewall, Router or just learn a thing or two about Linux on it.

Have fun!
 
Install Win7 or older for retrocomputing. Add a cheap video card and enjoy classic games maxed out.

I use a similarly specced machine on an everyday basis. It's perfectly capable of handling typical home/office tasks.
 
I dislike trying to figure out usage cases for unused computer hardware or gadgets (even kitchen tools).

These old systems generally draw too much power for what they can offer (poor performance-per-watt metric) so using one as a file server or router makes less and less sense these days when you look at electricity consumption. Even duty as a home theater PC is not so great since these old systems don't handle modern video codecs gracefully. I think my Intel N95 draws 1.5-2W when it plays back HEVC and AV1 files.

My inclination would be to recycle or freecycle or donate. It's harder to donate these sort of things to schools these days (compared to 20 years ago) since district IT staffers prefer standardized systems. However there might be a church who would be interested, the best thing to do would be to contact the church's administration office and ask to speak to the IT person directly.

Otherwise you might try listing it locally (e.g. Craigslist) for a modest price ($10-20 OBO) saying that it would be a good project or learning system for hobbyists.
 
Don't sure if it's the right category but anyway:

The components are describe at the system spec. It is i5-2400, 16GB DDR3 based with 256 ssd.

It is unused now, I wonder what to do with it except throw away for recycling.
Creative ideas are welcome :)



This is a bit like a child asking the parents what he can do because he is bored. We don't have to think of that, do we? You can also just give it away or throw it away
 
Its so old that id see if i could max out it out on whatever platform its on for cheap. Maybe slip a 4770 or Xeon equivalent if supported. 16-32GB ram. More hard drives and have it set up as a NAS/Back up PC.
 
If you don't mind the electrical bill, start crunching with team TPU for the good cause (research on horrible deseases, climate change research and so on)

Even if it is an old pc and computes less than modern ones, the results are welcome. Like they say: a little bit goes a long way ;) .
 
Install Win7 or older for retrocomputing. Add a cheap video card and enjoy classic games maxed out.

I use a similarly specced machine on an everyday basis. It's perfectly capable of handling typical home/office tasks.
I enjoy max out classic games on my current build :)
NAS, Firewall, Router or just learn a thing or two about Linux on it.

Have fun!
NAS actually might be it. I have and allways get more 4K+ video files of aerial drone fotage.

What hardware (if any) do I need more, except the HDD`s?
What operating system is recommended as NAS server?
 
I use an old pc for online. all other 3 strong pc are offline and for work/gaming. online you dont need much

you should run linux in a virtual machine. then move online pc to linux. minimal tracking.
 
I enjoy max out classic games on my current build :)

NAS actually might be it. I have and allways get more 4K+ video files of aerial drone fotage.

What hardware (if any) do I need more, except the HDD`s?
What operating system is recommended as NAS server?
If you are into learning then TrueNAS/FreeNAS should be a great place to start.
Here some alternatives: https://alternativeto.net/software/freenas/?p=2

Also Windows 7,8 and 10 can be used and since NTFS is used you can recover data faster than from any ZFS or LVM.

Up to you and your skills.

I'm using an old Dell SFF with a Core i3 4130 with windows 10 as a NAS (it came with an Win7 license and i need Chrome Remote on it since no OOB or any peripherals are used).

It draws 10-20W from the wall with 8GB ram and 4TB HDD drive.
 
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Its so old that id see if i could max out it out on whatever platform its on for cheap. Maybe slip a 4770 or Xeon equivalent if supported. 16-32GB ram. More hard drives and have it set up as a NAS/Back up PC.
Best they can do is a 3770k. Bit old but still capable.
 
Throw it on ebay or sell it locally for a small price and make someone happy who needs it.
 
While building a NAS could be considered, you're better off with newer gen parts, say Pentium G5420T. They are far more efficient and better at HW transcoding.

It's a decent machine if you wish to try clustering or high availability setups.
 
Also Windows 7,8 and 10 can be used and since NTFS is used you can recover data faster than from any ZFS or LVM.

Why should LVM should be an issue.

I use lvm for ages for my desktop box.

  1. MBR before - now GPT
  2. LVM2 - i think the user meant lvm2. LVM 1 was hardly a topic ~8 years ago
  3. optional: Later I added luks
  4. previous ext4 with i7-3610qm / now btrfs
lvm is nearly transparent but it adds a lot of extra features.

ZFS - heard about it. Well the file system choice and how you deal with issues is a common topic.

I think the poster mix up zfs = a file system, with the extra "block layer" below it which lvm2 does. In my own words. Note: check redhat docs for lvm2.

my synology nas uses btrfs. That was also the reason why i moved my filesystem to btrfs. But i keep my backup on the more stable ext4.

I would highly not recommend a new user, unstable - not mature file systems like BTRFS or ZFS. It's clear the topic poster is a tech starter. Tehrefore only recommend ext4 or XFS as a file system of choice.
 
Let's say I want this PC to be a big, cold storage, solution much like G-RAID SHUTTLE 4 from western digital. Once in a while I will add new stuff to it
I don't really need NAS, so efficiency is a non issue.
All I want is to add the HDD's i choose to that PC. Will it replayabily work?
 
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When you use another computer as a network storage than it is in my point of view a nas. Regardless of every feature or not.

I assume you may use SAMBA to get network access for those files on the old computer. In the past I was lazy and I hard coded the network addresses / mac addresses to make my life easier.

Storage is Storage. Same issues locally as remote. Backup or not backup, duplicate files or not duplicate files, encryption or not encryption, file compression or not file compression.
Reliable file system vs newer not so long in use file system.
 
If you don't mind the electrical bill, start crunching with team TPU for the good cause (research on horrible deseases, climate change research and so on)

Even if it is an old pc and computes less than modern ones, the results are welcome. Like they say: a little bit goes a long way ;) .
It runs automatically or you have to do something more than just donate computing power?
 
Let's say I want this PC to be a big, cold storage, solution much like G-RAID SHUTTLE 4 from western digital. Once in a while I will add new stuff to it
I don't really need NAS, so efficiency is a non issue.
All I want is to add the HDD's i choose to that PC. Will it replayabily work?
I've got an old 775 system running a Windows Storage Space (plus a mirror) as a network storage device for... three years now? The only reliability issue has been auto restarts with Windows Update which merely means I have to traipse downstairs and log in or, on occasion, power up. I will admit it doesn't perform super well: It's just spinners with no SSD caching or other accelerator, so first access from idle can take a few seconds. But as a place to store backups, software installers and old drivers, it does what it needs to do.
 
I would highly not recommend a new user, unstable - not mature file systems like BTRFS or ZFS.
I'm inclined to agree that ZFS systems can be tricky to set up for a newbie, but according to this Wiki, ZFS started out in 2005, so that makes it 20 years old and it's reasonably mature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS

It took me a while to sort out things out on my first FreeNAS server (since upgraded to TrueNAS Core). As far as I can remember, you can't just add more drives to TrueNAS without breaking the Vdev and defining a new array, which means backing up your data elsewhere.

With TrueNAS, it's best to plan carefully and decide how much storage you need from the outset, then buy the appropriate number of drives. Remember you lose drive space if you pick a ZFS RAID option that includes parity to guard against hard disk failure. In RAID-Z1 you lose one whole drive's worth of capacity from the array. I run RAID-Z2, so I lose two discs out of the array to parity.

While building a NAS could be considered, you're better off with newer gen parts, say Pentium G5420T. They are far more efficient and better at HW transcoding.
One of my TrueNAS systems is built round an old AMD FM2 APU, but of course I don't do any transcoding on it. TrueNAS will work with virtually any dual-core CPU from the last 15 years, if all you need is basic storage functions.

What hardware (if any) do I need more, except the HDD`s?
What operating system is recommended as NAS server?
If you're brave enough to try TrueNAS Core and can follow YouTube video guides for setting up Vdevs and network sharing, the main requirement is plenty of RAM. The absolute minimum is 8GB, but you're better off with 16GB. Install TrueNAS on a small SSD, even 64GB will be fine. I boot TRueNAS in my HP servers from 32GB mSATA SSDs in SATA-to-USB converters. It saves wasting a valuable SATA port on the OS, leaving all ports free for hard disks in the storage array.
https://www.truenas.com/docs/core/13.0/gettingstarted/corehardwareguide/

ProcessorMemoryBoot DeviceStorage
2-Core Intel 64-Bit or AMD x86_64 processor8 GB Memory16 GB SSD boot deviceTwo identically-sized devices for a single storage pool


Let's say I want this PC to be a big, cold storage, solution much like G-RAID SHUTTLE 4 from western digital. Once in a while I will add new stuff to it
That's exactly how I use my four TrueNAS systems, They don't get switched on very often, but act as large repositories of photos and videos taken on vacation. Apart from 16GB RAM, all you need is enough space for a bunch of hard disks in the PC case. If you run out of SATA ports on the mobo, fit a cheap second hand LSI SAS HBA card. They work equally well with SATA drives.
https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...and-hba-complete-listing-plus-oem-models.599/

If you do buy an LSI card, make sure it comes with IT (Initiator Target) firmware and not IR (RAID) firmware. TrueNAS needs full visibility of the drives in the array and IR firmware gets in the way. You'll also need some SFF8087 "forward breakout" cables to connect the HBA to the drives (one cable per 4 drives).
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-SFF-8087-Breakout/dp/B012BPLYJC?th=1

I've long since abandoned my large collection of WD and Samsung USB3 desktop drives for backups. They get hot during long file transfers and can become very slow, because most the drives are probably SMR (Shingle Magnetic Recording). I'm much happier running CMR/PMR SAS and SATA hard disks in tower systems with adequate cooling for the drives.
https://www.howtogeek.com/803276/cmr-vs.-smr-hard-drives-whats-the-difference/
 
That's exactly how I use my four TrueNAS systems, They don't get switched on very often, but act as large repositories of photos and videos taken on vacation. Apart from 16GB RAM, all you need is enough space for a bunch of hard disks in the PC case. If you run out of SATA ports on the mobo, fit a cheap second hand LSI SAS HBA card. They work equally well with SATA drives.
https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...and-hba-complete-listing-plus-oem-models.599/
Many thanks for the very informative answer :toast:

This True NAS sounds interesting, will do some research to see how hard it is to learn from scratch.
But first, how is it different and in what way better than just go with win 10, set up raid1 with 2 20-30TB HDD from the bios (like I have in my current build) and keep it simple.
Than, when I want to add stuff for backup I turn this PC on and move, by external HDD via usb3, all data to the raid setup. Any major downside to this procedure?
 
Yes, it does not include an incremental back up so if a file gets corrupted, so also is that which is copied across.

I like to keep an old machine around as a backup; if the main machine fails, say the power supply goes, one can still keep up with email and order a replacement. Better still, one can use the 'spare' power supply to see if that is really the issue.
 
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But first, how is it different and in what way better than just go with win 10, set up raid1 with 2 20-30TB HDD from the bios (like I have in my current build) and keep it simple.
If you pose this question on Tom's Harware forums, you'll immediately be asked why you think RAID1 is a good idea. If you say it's to keep your data safe, you'll be told RAID1 (mirroring) does not guarantee file integrity and should not be regarded as a backup solution. I can attest to this fact because many years ago, I set up a twin 1TB hard disk bootable RAID1 Windows system. After several years, both drives started to develop bad blocks and different files on each disk were corrupted or missing. I had backups elsewhere, so nothing was lost, but it put me off RAID1 for general use.

Consider what happens if your computer is hit with a Ransomware attack. Since you're running a mirrored array, the files on both drives could end up encrypted. If you accidentally delete an important file on a mirrored array, both copies will be deleted. If your mirrored array depends on hardware and your motherboard dies, you may need to buy a similar mobo with the same RAID chipset, to restore the array (this happened to me with a 4-drive array).

Software RAID is a different matter, but trusting your data to two enormous 20 or 30TB drives in RAID1 is just asking for trouble. It's much better to keep the your 20/30TB drives in two different systems. That way, if one PC gets hit by ransomware, fire, flood, etc., with luck (and careful planning) you've still got a second copy of your data. Leaving a USB "backup" drive permanently attached to a PC will not save it from ransomware.

This True NAS sounds interesting, will do some research to see how hard it is to learn from scratch.
TrueNAS (formerly FreeNAS) is just one of many NAS/Server operating systems, many of which are free, but some cost money. There's a bewildering array of solutions and you'll go crazy trying to decide which one is "best" for you.
https://alternativeto.net/software/freenas/?license=opensource

Since you're considering 20 to 30TB disks, I assume you'll eventually end up storing 20TB to 30TB of data. As I've already said, if you stick with this capacity, keep the drives in separate systems.
https://datahoarder.io/what-is-datahoarding/

If you're determined to use RAID, consider a bunch of smaller drives set up RAID5 or RAID6 (in TrueNAS these levels are called RAID-Z1 and RAID-Z2). Very high capacity hard disks can be expensive and if a big drive fails, you'll be faced with buying a similarly priced drive if your failed drive is outside warranty. With RAID5 (RAID-Z1), you could buy five 6TB drives (total capacity 30TB) and still have 24TB usable capacity (you lose one drive's worth of capacity due to parity). In RAID6 (RAID-Z2) you'd lose two drive's capacity and end up with only 18TB for storage for five 6TB drives.

The idea behind RAID5/6 (RAID-Z1/Z2) is you can afford to lose one (or two) drives and still retain all your data. If a 6TB drive dies, it's much cheaper to replace a low capacity drive in a 30TB array, than a single 30TB drive. With (a lot of) luck, you won't lose any data due to striped parity across all five 6TB disks in the 30TB array. In practice, if a drive goes bad (corrupted files, bad blocks, dead drive) there's no guarantee you'll keep all your data during the "resilvering" process, when you replace the failed drive. If you bought all your hard disks in one batch from one supplier, when one drive fails, the others might not be far behind.

Long before I started messing around with FreeNAS/TrueNAS, I backed up all important files to multiple disks in multiple computers and external drives. Having suffered two lightning strikes near my home and lost broadband routers, hardware firewalls and network switches (but not computers) I'm aware of the fragilty of storage. As a result, I have at least 5 copies of data spread around. I keep old PCs, a Phenom 965, plus several i7-4770K systems and a 3800X, as hard disk repositories. Much easier to manage (mentally), physically separate from each other and on two different (isolated) networks. I also save large amounts of data to 800GB LTO4 tapes. Old second hand LTO4 SAS drives are dirt cheap and tapes are not too expensive either. I used 25GB BD-R optical discs in the past, but 800GB tapes are so much quicker and probably safer. Ransomware will have difficulty infecting my library of tapes (fingers crossed).

If you want to mess around with TrueNAS Core, buy a bunch of hard disks, either brand new or ex-sever pulls, plus an LSI SAS HBA controller (if you run out of mobo SATA ports), e.g LSI 9211-8i, LSI 9311-8i and try your luck with a few YouTube videos for guidance:


The beauty of TrueNAS, etc., is you don't need to shell out hundreds of dollars, pounds, euros, on a commerical NAS enclosure made by Synology or QNAP. Their cheaper offerings include slow processors (Atom) and minimal RAM (4GB). With an old PC, you've got most of the hardware apart from the drives,saving you money.

At the very least, I'd suggest 4 hard disks in RAID5/Z1/6/Z2, because you'll lose at least one drive to parity. If you can fit more drives in your case, even better. I run one 6-disk array and three 8-disk arrays. TrueNAS "loves" RAM. The more the merrier. ECC RAM is not essential, but is nice if your system supports it.

And finally, whatever you decide, DO NOT RUN SMR DRIVES in TrueNAS.
https://www.servethehome.com/wd-red-smr-vs-cmr-tested-avoid-red-smr
https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/list-of-known-smr-drives.141/

A Fractal Define R4 case has enough room for 8 hard disks with cooling.

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Don't sure if it's the right category but anyway:

The components are describe at the system spec. It is i5-2400, 16GB DDR3 based with 256 ssd.

It is unused now, I wonder what to do with it except throw away for recycling.
Creative ideas are welcome :)
Turn it into a retro WinXP system. You'll only need 4GB of the RAM for that, but leaving the 16GB in won't harm anything, XP just won't used anything above 4GB. Find a GTX670 or GTX960 GPU for it and have fun!
I enjoy max out classic games on my current build :)
Some classic games don't run or don't run well on modern OSes.
 
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