I'm a noob here admin take pity and forward this to the RX 590 thread I don't see..? :)

[VR Snowcrash]

While AMD just pulled a rabbit out of their rear by providing a Q4 Holiday Season GPU the Trolls are already calling it a "relabel". RX ANYTHING (480-580) has never been on a 12nm FinFET. That does make it a "New" GPU despite the Polaris architecture. If they hit the price point I think I know what card I'm getting. Here are some things not yet known. 1. Driver Optimization 2. VRM Specs for OC 3. How much the 12nm power reduction will affect the Thermals ( which also may be more room for OC). How many people haven't noticed that the average OC on a GPU ( without subzero cooling ) is roughly 30-35%? I know 1 thing, "Nvidia 1060? Shhh! If AMD locks the GPU market with Navi and starts pushing the fastest GPUs and CPUs "the fit is going to hit the shan!

 

[yotano211]

What are you talking about. The average OC on any gpu is no more than 10% these days. The last time I saw OC of over 25% was on a 8800gt some 10 years ago. And what are you trying to say.

 

[eidairaman1]

What are you talking about. The average OC on any gpu is no more than 10% these days. The last time I saw OC of over 25% was on a 8800gt some 10 years ago. And what are you trying to say.

Considering my M18 GPU went from 350-459 and my ram 300 to 450 in my laptop in 2004 meant something.

 

[GoldenX]

My MX-4000 did a nice 40% from 250 to 350, and it's VRAM did a great 106% from 266 to 550. An HD4200 (ATI) did a 100% from 500 to 1000MHz. With a vmod I got a 28% from a 7600GT, 720MHz from 560. My previous HD7750 did a 19% from 800 to 950.
This 270X can't do much, 1205MHz from 1150, it's already factory overclocked.

Speaking of the 590, a lower process doesn't mean a new card, it's the same unless AMD tweaks something in the design, but it's rare to see that and still keep the current gen name, I think last time was with the 750/750ti (Maxwell V1 on the Kepler series).

 

[MrGenius]

1. Smaller node definitely means no rebrand. Even the EXACT same circuits will perform significantly differently based on sizing.

2. The notion of "average OC" is silly IMO. All the manufacturer needs to do is set a lower stock clock speed for a GPU. And suddenly it "overclocks like mad". Meaningless really. Though I will admit I'd deluded myself with that supposition at one time. Then I thought it through.

 

[ppn]

12LP, is an enhanced 14nm process. No smaller node in case of 9T library. Smaller size is for high-density cell 7,5T. RX 590 is 9T like zen+, most likely. Reduced leakage by 30%, that is about it. Note that TPU database shows TSMC 12nm, not GLOfo 12nm.

Note that 11nm is 54Mtr/mm2, 12nm 7,5T 35Mtr/mm2 and 12/14nm 9T 30Mtr/mm2.

Now if they used 11nm that is what you call smaller node. Yep 1nm smaller is almost double density.

Reducing the leakage by 30% corelates to 12% overclock and 6% performance because GDDR is not overclocked the same and pulls framerates back.

 

[Vayra86]

While AMD just pulled a rabbit out of their rear by providing a Q4 Holiday Season GPU the Trolls are already calling it a "relabel". RX ANYTHING (480-580) has never been on a 12nm FinFET. That does make it a "New" GPU despite the Polaris architecture. If they hit the price point I think I know what card I'm getting. Here are some things not yet known. 1. Driver Optimization 2. VRM Specs for OC 3. How much the 12nm power reduction will affect the Thermals ( which also may be more room for OC). How many people haven't noticed that the average OC on a GPU ( without subzero cooling ) is roughly 30-35%? I know 1 thing, "Nvidia 1060? Shhh! If AMD locks the GPU market with Navi and starts pushing the fastest GPUs and CPUs "the fit is going to hit the shan!

Are you somehow trying to make the point that the 590 isn't a completely pointless release?

Because both it and the 1060 respins are all pointless releases. All we really need is high end competition, the rest follows automatically. This is for all intents and purposes nothing better than what 480 > 580 was. A baby step at similar price. A new number to make idiots think something changed. It doesn't even matter what you call it, the performance tells the story.