Intel anti-cheat system in the works

[lemonadesoda]

I love the way this thread is bringing out all the h4x-cheaterz from under their rocks! LOL

 

[mdm-adph]

Cheat your heart out is SP, don't come ruin others fun in MP. Anyway, don't see this working, cheaters will just buy AMD. Oh and paying cheaters are bottom of the scum, how n00b you have to be not to win the right way, but to pay some cheating site to give you no fog, colored opponents, see through walls and autoaims.

And what makes you think AMD wouldn't eventually jump on the bandwagon of Treacherous Computing, as well? There's a lot of money to be made, and money's something they need right now.

 

[tkpenalty]

I hate cheaters in online games, usually I try everything to get them banned. Intel is trying to make online gaming less frustrating.

 

[nora.e]

I don't agree with cheating as a hole, when not every one agrees ahead of time. But I also don't agree with a major company desiding how every one should play a game. What if the hole group desided it would be cool for everyone to have a mega mutator granade when the game doesn't have one in main play. Woulden't this be better handled in the software end of things in stead of trying to controle what is done with the system components. What kind of gliches will that provoke with other non gameing programs?

 

[hat]

No.

 

[ex_reven]

the way they are probably going to do it is by using intel virtualization technology. hypervisor monitors the whole OS for cheats

How would that be updated, say periodically to update for newer hacks and such?
And if so, how would such an update service work against cheaters when it could just be deactivated?

 

[jocksteeluk]

i would be ok for Intel to do this but i wouldn't buy anything that i am not in control of so i more than likely wouldn't buy any product featuring any such devices, perhaps Intel feel they are too prosperous at the moment.

 

[nora.e]

The more I think about this the more it sounds like bunk on Intels part. why with all their resorces and other directions to go in product improvement would they deside to devote money to stop people from cheating at on line gaming? Just dosn't make sence.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

How would that be updated, say periodically to update for newer hacks and such?
And if so, how would such an update service work against cheaters when it could just be deactivated?

this is why I don't think it'll be done.

UNLESS Intel introduces some extensions a game must follow.

There has to be a way to differentiate a game from a normal application, as the normal hack protecting detection would inhibit a lot of other things...


Funny though, first thing I thought when I saw the article title was "haha I bet casheti's gonna be pissed."

 

[ex_reven]

There has to be a way to differentiate a game from a normal application, as the normal hack protecting detection would inhibit a lot of other things...

Exactly!
A good example would be companies that design games. The majority of cheats such as god mode and no clip mode etc stem from their need as developer tools.
The developer doesnt want to have to traverse the WHOLE game world just to test if a setting or different entity he/she tried out in a program like Hammer works properly.

If you play HL2 or Counter Strike Source im sure your aware of the "impulse" console command. These are developers tools that are exploited by hackers. How are they going to differentiate between a legitimate use and a false one?

 

[Kursah]

I hate cheaters in online games, usually I try everything to get them banned. Intel is trying to make online gaming less frustrating.

Couldn't have put it better myself! I kind of faded away from online gaming as I got sick of cheaters, and now I generally look for games with better SP gaming. But I still do some occasional MP.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Exactly!
A good example would be companies that design games. The majority of cheats such as god mode and no clip mode etc stem from their need as developer tools.
The developer doesnt want to have to traverse the WHOLE game world just to test if a setting or different entity he/she tried out in a program like Hammer works properly.

If you play HL2 or Counter Strike Source im sure your aware of the "impulse" console command. These are developers tools that are exploited by hackers. How are they going to differentiate between a legitimate use and a false one?

No, multiplayer hacks aren't the built in cheats.

Multiplayer hacks are exploits in something thats 100% client side, or exploiting how the server client communicate to make the game behave differently other than intended.

(Which may involve mechanics from the built in cheats, they aren't just "unlocking" the cheats.)

 

[ex_reven]

Ah I see.
I stand corrected.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Ah I see.
I stand corrected.

Things such as the maphack in diablo II.

It was a client-side hack that modified in game memory addresses to reveal the whole map.

The only way blizzard is capable of detecting it was looking for dll's running and dll injection.. its really a war these days.. they detect it, they change the hack, they detect it, they change how it works again..

It ran rampant until they implemented the "warden" in 1.11.

 

[oldcrank]

Aimbots are no fun`

I tried an aimbot once, because I'm an old guy and my reactions aren't that fast any more. I got rid of it because it was like cheating at solitaire - you win, but you don't get any satisfaction from it. On the other hand, when I pay top money for a top-of-the-line processor, I would prefer to decide for myself how to use its resources.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I tried an aimbot once, because I'm an old guy and my reactions aren't that fast any more. I got rid of it because it was like cheating at solitaire - you win, but you don't get any satisfaction from it. On the other hand, when I pay top money for a top-of-the-line processor, I would prefer to decide for myself how to use its resources.

You already don't

Control is continually becoming an automated thing. Less and less user intervention.

 

[Sh00t1st]

lol, all thats gona happen is the cheaters will turn to amd systems to make their cheats, so go for it intel, send some more business to amd lmao. i dont think they thought this thru very well.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

lol, all thats gona happen is the cheaters will turn to amd systems to make their cheats, so go for it intel, send some more business to amd lmao. i dont think they thought this thru very well.

Actually this would curb the majority of the hackers.

The 'cheats" 99% of the people get/use are just programs being distributed.

Most online cheaters are just script kiddies.

Script kiddies buy dells.

If its a true hacker making the hacks, they are never caught.

Why? Punkbuster reverse engineers the hacks they block.

Can't reverse engineer something they can't get their hands on.


And thats how its been since the dawn of time.

 

[a111087]

they are just begging us to buy AMD

 

[Sh00t1st]

im sorry dipskie but you know not of what your talking about, most cheats now, are direct x dll's for things like wall hacks and wireframe hacks and for aimbots, sooooo yeaahh, and wether you believe it or not most gamers build there own shit , especialy if they hack or use hacks.
and "real hackers" as you put it are caught all the time, by admins who simply ban them because its obvious that they are hacking, ps they dont reverse engineer, they look for specific code sequences in the cheat, and than they search for that code running on the computers memory, i used to be a hard core cheater back in the days of 1942 lol but that was like 4 years ago. i dont like cheats or cheaters as they are pretty much the only ones who can kill me in 2142 hehe, those damn battlewalkers are evil as shit.

 

[Johnny5]

I think this violates my 1st admendment or something.. they have no right to install this kinda of software/hardware without the permission of the buyer..

intel has no right to say who can cheat or who cant...

 

[a111087]

agree, they basically limit your PC ...

 

[Psychoholic]

This would be awesome!

 

[Wile E]

Eh, I'm not worried about it. I doubt it will work anyway.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

im sorry dipskie but you know not of what your talking about, most cheats now, are direct x dll's for things like wall hacks and wireframe hacks and for aimbots, sooooo yeaahh, and wether you believe it or not most gamers build there own shit , especialy if they hack or use hacks.
and "real hackers" as you put it are caught all the time, by admins who simply ban them because its obvious that they are hacking, ps they dont reverse engineer, they look for specific code sequences in the cheat, and than they search for that code running on the computers memory, i used to be a hard core cheater back in the days of 1942 lol but that was like 4 years ago. i dont like cheats or cheaters as they are pretty much the only ones who can kill me in 2142 hehe, those damn battlewalkers are evil as shit.

Look for specific code sequences in the cheat... then search for it running in the memory..


damn dude, I think you just defined reverse engineering for me.

Thanks.

Obviously they're caught after ripping the server to shreds. But you're obviously lieing about making your own stuff, because you'd know the difference between being PB banned and server banned. Say I don't know jack about it, when you go on to define reverse engineering for me.

And if you take that wanna be roofie out of your mouth, you'll see my name is clearly "dippy"

I think this violates my 1st admendment or something.. they have no right to install this kinda of software/hardware without the permission of the buyer..

intel has no right to say who can cheat or who cant...

Um.. then don't buy it? Where is this happening without permission?

They raiding pentium 4's or something?