Intel Core i5-12400 Early Review Dubs it a Game Changer

[Why_Me]

I wouldnt call it a "Game changer" but more of a competitive product that trades blows with the 1yr old 5600X. Coool?

Pricing will be the difference imo. AMD is a hose job atm as far as pricing goes.

So, if that CPU goes on sale with a price close to $200 and if its performance is indeed the one shown in the graphs, will push AMD even more to lower their CPUs prices. Nice for all of us.

I don't see that happening.

 

[seth1911]

The real Game Changer is the I3 cause AMD have since the bad stock of the 3300X nothing in the 100€ range.
I3 10100F was a great CPU for only 80€.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You can't disable level three cache, balls simulation then.

Cache X2 ish equals +15% according to their rivals.

And exaggerated much.

 

[Mussels]

except ... if you were an early adopter w/ X370 I guess ... sucks to be you! Unless you're into BIOS modding, or something. Then again, a Z170 can be modded to work w/ a 9900K too so ...

My x370 board still got 3 generations of support (and i used them allllll), with the ability to upgrade just the mobo only at the very end
which i did

Also... it seems that x370 board just got a BIOS update, i'll go confirm what AGESA that is, now
(aww still 1.0.0.6)

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Is it really that hard to read the linked articles before writing such nonsense?

Apart from the fact that the emulation was done with a normal retail CPU (not an Intel sample) in the form of the i5-12600K, I also randomly tested the results with a qualified sample (QYHX) of the i5-12400 for plausibility and it was within the tolerance range of normal CPUs. However, I did not test the original for collegial reasons, even though I did not sign any NDAs. The BIOS settings up to the performance values are 1:1 the same as those of the non-K CPU.

First lines of this review:

A bit later:


This isn't clickbait, but a shitload of work. Before Intel pays me anything, hell freezes over

Good to see you posting here, and I had to double check I hadn't posted anything stupid about your work

Looks like info got messed up in translation or missed, with the 12900K being referenced instead of a 12600k

classic case of lost in translation i guess
but yeah, these clickbaits w/o even linking to the original article are ... uhm ...

The source button is visible on the main TPU article - although it's suble in the bottom left.
It's not visible in the forum version of the frontpage preview.
It *is* a clickable link to the source page, but i guess a lot of people miss it

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@W1zzard Do you think the sources links should be made more visible?

 

[Minus Infinity]

Well I guess the title isn't as shameful as Wccftech's "Intel 12400 demolishes 5600X".

Honestly, looks good, but until they release budget to mid-range boards, who cares. Still you don't need DDR5, so only the Z690 board prices are stopping AL making sense at the moment.

Anyway, I'm waiting for RL, and looking forward to more E-cores, some of us don't just game. i7 13700K with 8 P cores, 8 E-cores. Also looking forward to Zen 4, 6800X.

 

[igorsLAB]

I prevent me before leaking too much details, but the original CPU was a small tick faster. The smaller cache doesn't play a big (or any) role in this case.

lost in translation

Yeah... difficult thing.

For example the German idiom "blue miracle/wonder". The more or less exact translation must be "You will be shocked" or "to experience a surprise".

It came from an interesting, historical building, the "Lockwitz bridge" in Dresden (Germany). At the time of its construction, the bridge was one of the first of this span made of metal that did not require any piers in the river it spanned (in this case, the Elbe) - among other reasons, this is why it was called a miracle or wonder. The name "Blaues Wunder", in turn, is also due to the bridge's light blue paint, which is already mentioned in publications from the time of its construction in 1893.

 

[igorsLAB]

#metoo

Back to topic:
What leaves me a bit in the dark about Alder Lake is Intel's strategy: One overpowers a really efficient CPU and just about achieves fictitious performance crowns, but unfortunately forgets that a significantly higher efficiency with comparable performance is much more valuable in the current time. However, this logic is of course difficult to comprehend for a company in a country where electricity flows cheaply and without limits from the socket.

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic
If you wish to discuss other topics... create a thread in the appropriate forum section.
The topic in this thread is "Intel Core i5-12400 Early Review Dubs it a Game Changer"

Thank You, and, have a good day.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

They're coming Q1'22. Remember X570 was the only option for Zen for about a year.

Remember... The first X570 boards were around 200 Euros, same game. B550 came later. Same with Intels B and H boards.

BTW: The numbers are not optimistic. The i5-12600K has 20 MB of cache (not 30, nobody used the 12900K, this news is wrong not my review!), the i5-12400 18 MB. If you have a look at the cache structure, you will understand, that the missing cache is connected to the e-cores. So you won't miss the cache, if the e-cores were deactivated

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Of course, what I'm saying is so called reviewers shouldn't recommend Alder Lake till those boards are available, exactly like with the x570.

 

[Selaya]

That's not really a good comparison, you were able to put Matisse Ryzens into B450s, and they were a dime a dozen. Then again, the 12400's not yet launched and the B660s are scheduled to launch alongside, so

 

[Caring1]

On topic, what games is it going to change?

 

[Why_Me]

On topic, what games is it going to change?

With the expected price point it means even more Aussie Intel builds.

 

[lexluthermiester]

On topic, what games is it going to change?

The value/price sector game. Intel currently out values AMD(which hasn't happened in a LONG time) and will do it again if these projected numbers bear out. A few years ago AMD brought the fight to Intel and kicked butt doing so. Today, Intel is bringing the fight back and they are doing it the same way, better performance for less money. The CPU market is currently very competitive, which is excellent for consumers on every level.

 

[igorsLAB]

I have no idea - allowed or not - but here is the Part 2 with Workstation. A little bit different picture but the trend against the Ryzen 5 5600 is clear.
Someone asked me via mail for i3-12100, but I have no existing QS to compare and fine-tune a simulated CPU and so it makes no sense. Sorry

 

[InVasMani]

The cache structure between both designs is something I see as playing a impact. The cache misses between both is going to be different for both for better or worse to each. The L3 on the AMD is a lot bigger while the L1+L2 on Intel is better and accessed more readily at the same time. When performance dives from a cache hit on the Intel chip though it'll probably be more pronounced than on the AMD chip that's more fat and wide on the L3 cache and a larger combined cache structure as a whole on the CPU. I think in the case of compression/decompression at certain allocation unit sizes the AMD chip could be stronger as a whole. The Intel will run out of cache available sooner and memory is slower and a bigger penalty.

The ramdisk performance at 4096 unit allocation size with NTFS compression enabled between both chips is something comparing would be nice to see. I use NTFS compression all the time personally on SSD's you get more I/O and disk space. On a ramdisk you eliminate more of the disk storage bottleneck so you can really compare the CPU cache speed more readily combined with the compression. I like to use CompactGUI as well a bit to compress even further with some of the more CPU taxing compression techniques. I think with direct storage these compression scenario's will become a bit more relevant to discussion though to what extent I'm not so sure similar to Primo Cache I have to imagine.

 

[bug]

On topic, what games is it going to change?

Going by the tests, the perf/W game. Possibly the perf/$ game as well.

 

[R0H1T]

Going by the tests, the perf/W game

Not by much.

Possibly the perf/$ game as well.

Maybe, but again take DDR5 & overall platform costs into account with this!

You can't claim ADL is super efficient yet conveniently ignore the super premium DDR5 commands, without DDR5 I'm guessing perf/W gains would be middling at best.