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I can get a good performing Z490 for $150, right noe. How much can you get an X570 for?

Oh and if you want to talk B450, I can get an H470 for $110 and a B460 for $80.

If anything, the high end Intel motherboards are cheaper.

Pricing varies by regions and governed by the supply / demand law. I just got another asus x570 prime pro for $150.
I don’t know why the intel lower chipset cannot support the higher frequency RAM... quite unfortunate.
The pandemic doesn’t help us, consumers, at all. High demand for x570 around my area makes a lot of the board go out of stock quickly.
So, right now it is true that intel boards are generally easier and cheaper to buy.
AMD has gotten the much needed growth to compete against intel. The future is bright with healthy competition.
 
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I can get a good performing Z490 for $150, right noe. How much can you get an X570 for?

Oh and if you want to talk B450, I can get an H470 for $110 and a B460 for $80.

If anything, the high end Intel motherboards are cheaper.

Pairing this calibre of CPU with a restricted ' H ' or ' B ' chipset MB takes away most of its performance and overclocking advantages, and I'd be extremely reluctant to run these i7s with the power limits removed off either without some very careful research into their VRM quality.
Many Z490 motherboards don't support PCI-E 4.0, I'll agree this isn't exactly a huge selling point ATM but it DOES make them cheaper to build.
 
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10700 with max turbo is within 6% of 10700k at 5.1ghz which is a realistical average max frequency that people will achieve. that is something to think about since 10700 is about 75$ cheaper. Heck, for 425$ you can get 10900 which is considerably better than the 10700k, even oced.
I think this generation K parts are pretty much bad deals just because non k parts are already very high clocked and the limit of 5-5.1-5.2Ghz requires a lot of cooling, a lot of voltage and power and the gains are very small. And frankly, non K parts are pretty well priced. 10700 is 300-350$. Should be more like 275-300$. 10900 is 425-450$. Again, should be more like 350-375$. Prices will drop in time for sure.
 
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Pairing this calibre of CPU with a restricted ' H ' or ' B ' chipset MB takes away most of its performance and overclocking advantages, and I'd be extremely reluctant to run these i7s with the power limits removed off either without some very careful research into their VRM quality.
Z490 motherboards don't support PCI-E 4.0, I'll agree this isn't exactly a huge selling point ATM but it DOES make them cheaper to build.
Actually its a pretty big deal, since pci-e 4.0 SSD's are a thing. 2500mb/s SSd's are insanely fast, in fact almost double over previous generation pci-e 3.0 SSD's.
 
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Actually its a pretty big deal, since pci-e 4.0 SSD's are a thing. 2500mb/s SSd's are insanely fast, in fact almost double over previous generation pci-e 3.0 SSD's.
that's just sequentiaL
 
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I think one of the common scenarios that you are not testing and are discounting in your review is gaming while streaming performance. It is a very common use now days and I know that I was getting dropped frames using my 8700k vs the 9900k i use now. If you were find a way to benchmark that objectively, showing game fps and stream quality, it would improve review qualities for a lot of people. Software x264 encode, 6k bitrate, medium preset, 720p, 60 fps or a 1080p setting.
Also, I'm disappointed you didn't overclock the cache on the cpu. It has been documented to improve performance and uses the same voltage as the core. My 9900k does 4.7 on the cache compared to your 4.3 stock setting.
 
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Pairing this calibre of CPU with a restricted ' H ' or ' B ' chipset MB takes away most of its performance and overclocking advantages, and I'd be extremely reluctant to run these i7s with the power limits removed off either without some very careful research into their VRM quality.
Z490 motherboards don't support PCI-E 4.0, I'll agree this isn't exactly a huge selling point ATM but it DOES make them cheaper to build.

Some Z490 boards say they are PCIE-4 ready when the next gen of CPUs supports it, FWIW.
 
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All Intel H5 LGA 1200 socket (400 Series) are PCIe 4.0 with Bios update and a 11th gen Rocket Lake has Intel first PCIe 4.0 memory controller and updated Willow Cove cores design.

Both "Rocket Lake" and "Alder Lake" are PCIe 4.0

I'm pretty happy with my 9900KS @5.2GHz AVX2 Cooled By EK

I'm waiting for Intel Ryzen Killer architecture coming from the guy that invited your AMD Ryzen Zen architecture!.....AMD top engineer "Jim Keller" is now building Intel new 16/32 cores Ryzen Killer with Intel new "Ocean Cove" cores design thats in Intel upcoming 13th gen "Meteor Lake" (7nm+)

Intel 13th gen 16/32 cores big.Little with Ocean Cove has more than 80% IPC Gain over Intel 10th generation (SkyLake 4) now.

By the way all Intel 7nm are PCIe 5.0 DDR5 USB4 WiFi-6E 5G from the start!

Intel Meteor Lake is Intel first PCIe 5.0 on second generation 16/32 cores big.Little architecture.

Pretty hard buying a new PC at the moment knowing in two years PCIe 5.0 with DDR5 and USB4 WiFi-6E 5G all standard on new sockets from both Sides AMD AM5 and Intel H6 LGA 1700 sockets.

That's all your going to hear about from Intel Ocean Cove with "Jim Keller" Ryzen Killer architecture once again.

Thank you Jim Keller for making Ryzen AMD people happy and thank you Jim Keller for making Intel Ryzen Killer making Intel people happy

Intel 10th generation is short lived...

14nm++ (Samsung help)
11th gen (Q1 2021)
Rocket Lake PCIe 4.0
Willow Cove
H5 LGA 1200 socket

New 16/32 Cores big.Little

10nm++
12th gen (Q4 2021)
Alder Lake PCIe 4.0
Golden Cove
H6 LGA 1700 socket

7nm+ (from new Fab42 in America)
13th gen (Q4 2022)
Meteor Lake PCIe 5.0
Ocean Cove
H6 LGA 1700 socket

Pretty interesting next two years Intel has.....
 
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Not bad at all and I am more than happy with my 10700K which is primarily for gaming and some productivity for the next 3 to 4 years with 8 cores and 16 threads...It is £100 cheaper than the 9900K in the UK and I quickly got it to 5.1GHz all core at 1.285v and that is running the cache at 4.7Ghz ...and it will probably go lower on the vcore as I test some more. Temps are great with Cinebench R20 hitting a max temp of 74 degrees C on the hottest core though I am running the Arctic Freezer II 360 AIO on it.

An FYI quiet a few boards do support PCIe Gen 4 like my Aorus Z490 Ultra and are ready for when Rocket Lake releases...

Also It has been on sale in the UK since launch with the 10900K and at the retail price...

And just in case the AMD fans come out swinging, AMD are great and more than lead on productivity and price and Intel are great and lead on the gaming front...bottom line buy what ever makes you happy..
 
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Honestly, this generation of Intel's CPU is a waste of silicon and specially money. I would only "upgrade" to this pos CPU if I get it for free, since otherwise it's a completely waste of money. Overly power hungry, mediocre performance gain, super hot, very expensive mobos, NO PCI-E 4.0,etc
And that's coming from a girl still owning and kicking a 3770K CPU with DDR3 and no reason to upgrade so far...
 
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Honestly, this generation of Intel's CPU is a waste of silicon and specially money. I would only "upgrade" to this pos CPU if I get it for free, since otherwise it's a completely waste of money. Overly power hungry, mediocre performance gain, super hot, very expensive mobos, NO PCI-E 4.0,etc
And that's coming from a girl still owning and kicking a 3770K CPU with DDR3 and no reason to upgrade so far...

I wouldn't waste your time on anything out there at the moment!

PCIe 4.0 is very short lived!... You're better off waiting a bit longer for.... PCIe 5.0 will be out! If you're concerned about PCIe?

PCIe 4.0 is only on two generations of CPUs...

AMD PCIe 4.0
3000 series (Zen2) AM4
4000 series (Zen3) AM5

Intel PCIe 4.0
11th gen (Rocket Lake) H5
12th gen (Alder Lake) H6

AMD PCIe 5.0
5000 series (Zen4) AM5

Intel PCIe 5.0
13th gen (Meteor Lake) H6

Meteor Lake is very similar to your Ivy Bridge was.....4/8 cores Ivy Bridge (3770K) was Intel first PCIe 3.0 and 22nm.....16/32 Cores Meteor Lake (13th gen) is Intel first PCIe 5.0 and 7nm+.

I wouldn't buy anything right now especially if you waited this long already. Intel Fab42 factory is almost ready for an Ryzen Massacre.
 
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Honestly its a decent effort by Intel and their CPU's are not all crap in terms of performance, BUT they are way too expensive! Again the 10700k is $400, in Europe they sell for like 450 euros, plus you have the cost of a new and very expensive Z490 motherboard and additional cooler costs. A good cooler would set you back $50, good mobo would set you back $180-200 and we aren't even talking about high end mobo here, just a middle of the pack one, plus $400+ for the cpu, so a cost of about $650 for your cpu combo basically, where is the PSU, ram, GPU, HDD, SDD, etc...

Konwing also that AMD's Zen 3 generation is only several months away, there is no reason at all to buy this gen Intel's cpu's.
 
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Some Z490 boards say they are PCIE-4 ready when the next gen of CPUs supports it, FWIW.
Blast, That should have read as ' Many Z490 ' corrected the post.

Actually its a pretty big deal, since pci-e 4.0 SSD's are a thing. 2500mb/s SSd's are insanely fast, in fact almost double over previous generation pci-e 3.0 SSD's.

Trouble is that right now none of that advantage is actually helping, all of the reviews of PCI-E 4.0 SSDs I have read show them to have a small performance advantage over PCI-E 3.0 drives in real world load/save/transfers but certainly not enough to make me rush out and upgrade my current 970 Evo.
 
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No matter how well the 10700K performs, it’s still an antiquated architecture, is still 14nm, requires a new motherboard, only performs a hair better than the two year old 9900K, and is missing key new generation features (missing PCI-E 4.0).. And it costs too much. A 3800X costs almost $150 less and performs just as well in most applications and games, already has new generation features, uses less power, and runs cooler. Winner AMD.
 
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i7-10700K is DOA.

Yes!
Dead on arrival!

The hole Intel H5 LGA 1200 socket platform is DOA and this is coming from a Intel guy.

Yes!
Intel 11th gen Rocket Lake with new Cores design (Willow Cove) on 14nm++ (Q1 2021) will have 8/16 cores but with PCIe 4.0

Both 10th and 11th gen are just a 18 months filler until H6 LGA 1700 socket is ready..... (Q4 2021) 10nm++ Alder Lake (Golden Cove) on new 16/32 Cores big.Little architecture.

You people need to do your research and not live in the moment.

Buying a PC should be a few years investment and you as a buyer should be investigating what coming in the next 3 years!

All of you should be asking yourself will current technology be future driven? Or PCIe 4.0 DDR4 USB3 will be replaced by PCIe 5.0 DDR5 USB4 with more than 80% IPC over current Intel 10th generation with in two years.

Jim Keller the guy who developed Ryzen is now developing the Ryzen Killer "Ocean Cove" is the game changer.
 
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Yes!
Dead on arrival!

The hole Intel H5 LGA 1200 socket platform is DOA and this is coming from a Intel guy.

Yes!
Intel 11th gen Rocket Lake with new Cores design (Willow Cove) on 14nm++ (Q1 2021) will have 8/16 cores but with PCIe 4.0

Both 10th and 11th gen are just a 18 months filler until H6 LGA 1700 socket is ready..... (Q4 2021) 10nm++ Alder Lake (Golden Cove) on new 16/32 Cores big.Little architecture.

You people need to do your research and not live in the moment.

Buying a PC should be a few years investment and you as a buyer should be investigating what coming in the next 3 years!

All of you should be asking yourself will current technology be future driven? Or PCIe 4.0 DDR4 USB3 will be replaced by PCIe 5.0 DDR5 USB4 with more than 80% IPC over current Intel 10th generation with in two years.

Jim Keller the guy who developed Ryzen is now developing the Ryzen Killer "Ocean Cove" is the game changer.
If Intel allowed him as much control of design as AMD then sure but even then where will AMD be vs Intel at that point 10nm vs refined 5nm does not seem fair at this point.
 
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@ ToxicTaZ:

The ' H ' and ' B ' motherboards aren't bad per se just not suitable for enthusiast users, they are for those who want to build something cheaper but still capable of running home/office apps or HTPCs or even small ITX systems on a budget, where absolute top performance isn't really a requirement. ( and this is from an AMD guy ;) )

" You people need to do your research and not live in the moment. " I disagree, unless a user or builder can or will wait for the Next Coming all they can do is live for the moment and purchase the most suitable hardware for their requirements NOW, if I had that kind of attitude I'd still have my Slot1 PIII 500!

Agree about a system being a long term purchase, get it right and it'll last for some time, and the less demanding the needs of a user are, the longer the system will remain viable. Even demanding gamers can usually keep the core system -CPU/MB/RAM- for several years, upgrading only the GPU when it starts to struggle.

" Jim Keller the guy who developed Ryzen is now developing the Ryzen Killer "Ocean Cove" is the game changer. " We'll see when the benchmarks arrive. :peace:
 
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If Intel allowed him as much control of design as AMD then sure but even then where will AMD be vs Intel at that point 10nm vs refined 5nm does not seem fair at this point.

Yes...

AMD is not going to stand still by no means.... I'm just saying buyer's beware at the moment with major technology leaps ahead.

AMD has new socket coming! AM5 and with this new socket AMD will have DDR5 and USB4 and like Intel second generation AMD AM5 has PCIe 5.0 on 5nm.

Intel Meteor Lake is on second generation 7nm+ from Intel new Fab42 factory in America.

Intel 7nm EUV + ++ is made with Graphene will be far ahead of TSMC 5nm......it would be on power with TSMC 3nm....
 
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I can get a good performing Z490 for $150, right noe. How much can you get an X570 for?

Oh and if you want to talk B450, I can get an H470 for $110 and a B460 for $80.

If anything, the high end Intel motherboards are cheaper.

Where? I had a quick look on my favorite local e-talier and from what I see, x570 and z490 boards cost the same. Source:

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/filtre/general-chipset-z490/ and https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/filtre/general-chipset-x570/

As for h470 and b460..... they are of no interest whatsoever and do not compare to the b450 in any way because of their limitations (ram speed, no or limited OC). As for the B450, a decent board goes for about 95$ and cheap boards can be had for as little as 60$ - tax included. The cheapest H470 is not even close.
 
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A DOA product just like the rest of the 10th series. If you want to buy Intel you have to wait until 2022, then they are at 7nm.
 

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10700F nonK 4.6GHz @ 125W DDR4 2993 can last for another 10 years until 1,4nm. the same way 2600K was just fine until recently. I'm still using it.

RKL is probably a better idea, too close to Alder and then skip that, have to wait until 5nm.

When you say 7nm this means simething different, 7nm is what TSMC calls their 10nm or what is essentially 100Mtr/mm². 50-60 for ZEN, 40 for NAVI.

Now with 7nm intel we have 237Mtr/mm², so I can't even imagine what TSMC substitues that for, probably 1,4nm.
 
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A DOA product just like the rest of the 10th series. If you want to buy Intel you have to wait until 2022, then they are at 7nm.

This seems like a hyperbolic statement to me. They would be DOA if they were an FX 9590 situation where they used tons of power, were mega hot and crucially were still far from competitive. The 10700K is reasonably cool, reasonably power efficient and has very competitive performance, beating the AMD equivalent handily in many cases. As I haven't bought a new Intel chip since 2014 I am tempted to pull the trigger on one of these, if/when they are in stock for a reasonable price, ie. not the current inflated price due to shortages.
 
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