Intel Core i7-14700K has an 8P+12E Core Configuration

[bug]

That's good and all. But Intel,instead of more and more e-cores.

Increase the number of P-cores. It has been the same for 3 gens now with 14 gen. Something new needs to be done. Also to really give amd a run for their money. At least give those e-cores hyper threading as well. That would really make powerful cpu. Let's say 15 gen up to 12 p-cores and up to 24 e-cores. All with hyper threading. That would be up to 38 cores and 76 threads.

Does that sound totally out the line for a possible near future cpu?

I dont think so. It all depends on Intel.

You may want to take another look at that math

 

[Tomgang]

You may want to take another look at that math

Hey don't bug me...

But you are right. Has been corrected.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I get the feeling it's going to be like Comet Lake--same node, higher clocks, even higher power consumption than previous gen. Any improvement they made in the process is going to go into more clocks rather than less power consumption.

 

[Tomgang]

I get the feeling it's going to be like Comet Lake--same node, higher clocks, even higher power consumption than previous gen. Any improvement they made in the process is going to go into more clocks rather than less power consumption.

You are not alone about that taught.

It's really seems like 14nm++++++++++ all over again. Now just with 10nm++++++

 

[dyonoctis]

I don’t own a lot of CPUs but I can read benchmarks so I can buy the best CPU. And the benchmarks say that AMD’s 16 Zen 4 cores perform like Intel P-cores but sip energy closer to Intel E-cores. That’s why Intel’s solution just doesn’t work. I'd rather have 16 fully functional cores than 8 with a bunch of disabled versions and a complex thread scheduler especially if the overall performance is the same but the power is much lower.

Intel solution do work with their current architecture. You want to see how a 16 P-core at PL1 200w PL2 240w perform versus the 13900k (PL1 125w PL2 253w) ? Well it's losing, and it's not even much more efficient when it lose. They are only a match for zen3 at stocks settings...wich was supposed to be the competition, But you know, intel fabs bla bla....
and for RPL, keep in mind that Intel Foundries yet again forced intel to stretch a fab process/architecture beyond it's original scope.

Intel problem is that they keep designing their architecture around a fab process that never get there on time. Rocket lake ? That was never meant to be on 14nm. Sapphire Rapids ? That was supposed to be a 2021 launch. Raptor lake ? It only exist because Meteor lake wasn't going as planned, 10nm wasn't supposed to compete against TSMC 5nm.

Originally, Intel planned to release Meteor Lake as a successor to Alder Lake, but when timelines for Meteor Lake stretched out, Intel decided to create Raptor Lake, a design that required minimal resources to create, but could deliver compelling performance gains over Alder Lake. Meteor Lake should have been Intel's 13th Generation series of Core processors, now 13th Gen is Raptor Lake

Intel confirms that Raptor Lake was not originally part of their CPU roadmap | OC3D News (overclock3d.net)

Meanwhile AMD got the luxury of designing a chip around a precise Fab calendar. They never had to backport, or create a stop gap zen 3.5.

 

[R0H1T]

Meanwhile AMD got the luxury of designing a chip around a precise Fab calendar

What do you mean precise? What's the cadence of TSMC's latest nodes, since when have they been following this "precise" calendar? By the same token do you not attribute Intel's success in the last decade or so only down to their fabs? At one point AMD was 2.5 nodes behind Intel, and at least 1-1.5 node behind for 10+ years

 

[bug]

I get the feeling it's going to be like Comet Lake--same node, higher clocks, even higher power consumption than previous gen. Any improvement they made in the process is going to go into more clocks rather than less power consumption.

Fine by me, I can always constrain TDP from the BIOS. Already doing it to my 12600k

 

[Daven]

This is a red herring argument. Nothing you have listed is run on a DIY desktop, nor does what these services run on have ANYTHING to do with "unsuspecting DIY PC enthusiast community misses the real winners: ARM SoCS and GPU accelerators"

So, how are "unsuspecting DIY PC enthusiast community misses the real winners: ARM SoCS and GPU accelerators"?

Again, how are "unsuspecting DIY PC enthusiast community misses the real winners: ARM SoCS and GPU accelerators"? Sure sounds to me like they are benefiting from them just fine.

Oh i also forgot all the telecom and networking equipment in your home and elsewhere that uses ARM and Nvidia technologies.

But the biggest effect on us DIYers is the huge loss of income that prevented Intel from improving its node manufacturing and CPU technologies. Thankfully AMD minimized this loss to some extent by actually competing against ARM and Nvidia. Intel just sat there for the longest time causing windows app performance stagnation.

 

[phanbuey]

ram latency looks promising if thats with stock ram probably 7200 sticks judging by the aida scores... core VID at 5.5ghz looks less promising. Was hoping for lower power and temps due to powervia, maybe that will still be achieved.

 

[Dan.G]

Seems decent enough. Looks like a more "afordable" Core i9. Still waiting for a decent desktop APU with DDR5.
Would also like to see an nVidia iGPU (similar to what i7-8705G offered).

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Why they are stuck at 8 cores? Something with 10 cores could give them the edge over AMD in gaming.

 

[Pepamami]

Says the guy who doesn't even own a 12/13 gen Intel CPU.....

I have 12700k on PC for some werk (since P-cores perform on some tasks better than my older 5900X), I think 4 E cores is more than enough no maintain Windows and other "background garbage", since E core does not have good power efficiency, and u need them mainly to offload "garbage" from glorious P cores. I would like to see more bipPP cores on Intel CPU, than scammy E-cores.

 

[phanbuey]

Why they are stuck at 8 cores? Something with 10 cores could give them the edge over AMD in gaming.

They already designed the chip and it's stuck on 8. The meteor lake for laptops is ready to go, but on the desktop side there was some issue that made it a nonsensical product, so they took the old 8 core design and tweaked it a bit.

10 cores would be amazing, more cache or a few gigs of HBM would be amazing too...

 

[R0H1T]

Why they are stuck at 8 cores? Something with 10 cores could give them the edge over AMD in gaming.

It wouldn't, AMD would just release probably a 4c/5c Zen chip with 24-32 cores & obliterate them!

 

[phanbuey]

It wouldn't, AMD would just release probably a 4c/5c Zen chip with 24-32 cores & obliterate them!

right with their thread scheduler the way it is... 7950x3d but with e cores. w00f. Better make sure that game bar is ready for that.

 

[R0H1T]

No I meant just the (lite?)c cores, more cores doesn't help gaming in particular but does help with MT tasks. More cache helps & even there AMD is way ahead, for now at least.

If Intel's fighting the core wars they lose, if they're fighting with cache they'll probably still lose.

 

[phanbuey]

No I meant just the (lite?)c cores, more cores doesn't help gaming in particular but does help with MT tasks. More cache helps & even there AMD is way ahead, for now at least.

If Intel's fighting the core wars they lose, if they're fighting with cache they'll probably still lose.

They're 2 nodes behind so the fact they're even remotely competitive is a small miracle. It's forcing their design teams to get creative which I kind of like.

I used to be a huge AMD fan in the early zen days but since Zen 3 i feel like they're changing roles.

 

[sethmatrix7]

Correct! It's the way it has been in mobile phones for years, now available for laptops/desktops and AMD is working on it too....

And they are good for gaming too, my i7 12700K beating your "gaming" CPU...

Intel Core i7-13700K Review - Great at Gaming and Applications

With the Core i7-13700K, Intel has built a formidable jack-of-all-trades processor. Our review confirms that it offers fantastic application performance, beating the more expensive Ryzen 9 7900X, and in gaming it gets you higher FPS than any AMD processor ever released, delivering an experience...

www.techpowerup.com

Hope you're enjoying 720p lmao

 

[Daven]

right with their thread scheduler the way it is... 7950x3d but with e cores. w00f. Better make sure that game bar is ready for that.

I’m not a big fan of any heterogeneous computing products. At least on the desktop, we should have tons of P-cores only with equal access to cache.

Intel quad and six P-core products without E-cores as well as the 7800X3D and the other non 3D-cache Zen 4 chips avoid heterogeneous computing (although there is some problems with identical AMD chiplets clocking consistently).

 

[Titanium_Carbide]

E cores.... E CORES..... MORE E CORES

 

[P4-630]

Hope you're enjoying 720p lmao

i7 12700K beats the 5800x3d at all resolutions...

 

[Why_Me]

Why they are stuck at 8 cores? Something with 10 cores could give them the edge over AMD in gaming.

The 7800X3D out performs the 7900X3D in gaming.

 

[dyonoctis]

What do you mean precise? What's the cadence of TSMC's latest nodes, since when have they been following this "precise" calendar? By the same token do you not attribute Intel's success in the last decade or so only down to their fabs? At one point AMD was 2.5 nodes behind Intel, and at least 1-1.5 node behind for 10+ years

Since Global Foundries gave up on bleeding edge, which also coincide with zen really taking the fight to Intel with zen 2 . AMD Desktop roadmap have been more reliable than Intel's. Zen 2 had what ? a one month delay ? That's insanely better than intel's 2 years delay (or outright cancelation).

What I was trying to say, is that AMD doesn't give optimistic roadmaps. 3 years ago, AMD said that zen 4 was going to be a 5nm product scheduled to launch in 2022. And that's exactly what happened. In 2018 they said that Vermeer was coming in 2020, on a matured process. That's exactly what happened. To me it sounds like that AMD/TSMC actually know where they are going, and have an efficient communication channel.

Now I never denied that Intel enjoyed a node advantage in the past. But they don't anymore, their fabs are actually a liability, but they keep on giving optimistic roadmaps that they cannot fulfil, and resort to a lot of stop gap, or emergency release. Rocket lake was replaced in less than a year and forced onto a node that it was never meant to be used on. Meteor lake was two year late, and was ultimately cancelled for the desktop. And now there's rumors that Intel finally yield, and Arrow lake will be a TSMC CPU at 100%, because Intel finally decided to be cautious, an rely on TSMC much higher fabs reliability. Intel 20A isn't doing so hot apparently. Intel new goal to take the leadership back is 18A

 

[Why_Me]

Hope you're enjoying 720p lmao

You don't understand why they test at that resolution do you? Not surprised.

 

[phanbuey]

I’m not a big fan of any heterogeneous computing products. At least on the desktop, we should have tons of P-cores only with equal access to cache.

Intel quad and six P-core products without E-cores as well as the 7800X3D and the other non 3D-cache Zen 4 chips avoid heterogeneous computing (although there is some problems with identical AMD chiplets clocking consistently).

I think that a general 'jack of all trades' core will always lose badly to a set of specialized cores when it comes to power and performance. If the communication and scheduling technical hurdles can be overcome (which are easier to overcome than designing a god-core) , and it's backwards compatible, then i think heterogeneous computing is the next step in squeezing out more performance as we run out of manufacturing density.

Intel being in the top 20% of charts, and even contesting the performance lead in some cases, while being 2 nodes behind is a bit of proof in itself. If zen 4 had to be manufactured on 10NM+++++ i think the benefits of the mixed design would be much more obvious. Apple M2 is another example...

What I was trying to say, is that AMD doesn't give optimistic roadmaps. 3 years ago, AMD said that zen 4 was going to be a 5nm product scheduled to launch in 2022. And that's exactly what happened. In 2018 they said that Vermeer was coming in 2020, on a matured process. That's exactly what happened. To me it sounds like that AMD/TSMC actually know where they are going, and have an efficient communication channel.

^ in the real world -- specialized companies vs general purpose company .