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Intel Meteor Lake P-cores Show IPC Regression Over Raptor Lake?

I love the way people call them clowns, as if you could do better, maybe give intel a call, maybe you can help out.
Sorry, I do not understand what you mean?

BTW Intel delivered very good Alder lake CPUs with IPC significantly better than AMD 5000 CPUs in 2021. I guess the next significant improvement comes with Arrow lake late this year.

Is having nothing new really exciting for three years in this very complex industry I described above a disaster, or something that simply can happen? At least in desktop they kept adding cores and increasing frequencies, improving performace (at the cost of energy efficiency) in this period.
 
No, it doesn't. Unless you're still talking about IPC and not overall performance.

Notebookcheck has it about 15-20% faster overall in their performance tests vs AMD 7840U.

CPU performance ratings :
The higher end AMD 7840U (15W) = 69.2
155H (28W) = 81.7
The 45W range 7840HS = 83.6
The 45W range 13700H = 84.8

The 155H isn't the top end ML, 165H is. Quite likely a 165H would match or beat the 45W parts above if they tested it.

Yes it's not a 15W chip, but neither is it a 45W chip. But it performs *very* close to those 45W range chips.

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Not really.

First, the 7840u stabilizes within 30w (Total package power) in the TW3 stress test. The Intel model stabilizes between 40-50w.

It's also worth checking that AMD runs at a milder 70°C, and intel 93°C. Doesn't it give you a bad taste in your mouth?

Second but not least this performance score is the average of a set of Benchmarks of which half are synthetic and useless like Geekbench.

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What would you say if any other company delivered a brand new CPU with IPC regression on a new node?
What I always say. And it is posted above. My post wasn't one line Mr Smart .... .
 
If it were something like 30% less power draw for 5% less performance, I would personally consider that progress, however the tech media and gamers market seem to thrive on performance at all cost, only accepting lower power draw if its alongside a performance win.

The problem for Intel is they have maxed out any performance buffer from temperature margin (now official line is 100C is normal operating temp), and there is little margin in power as well, the only realistic progress they can make is efficiency. Whether thats a flat power draw drop, or growing performance at current levels.
 
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I love the way people call them clowns, as if you could do better, maybe give intel a call, maybe you can help out.
It is their job to do better than themselves, not mine. That is also a dangerous logic to follow, as it would mean never criticizing anything unless you've done a better job, it would eliminate a lot of needed criticism (and shit talking) in all areas.
 
It is their job to do better than themselves, not mine. That is also a dangerous logic to follow, as it would mean never criticizing anything unless you've done a better job, it would eliminate a lot of needed criticism (and shit talking) in all areas.

It's the first time (nearly) for them going tiled instead of monolithic, jeez give em a chance. If it was AMD would they still get so much crap?
 
It's the first time (nearly) for them going tiled instead of monolithic, jeez give em a chance. If it was AMD would they still get so much crap?
Intel was doing great in the past. First in a new node and always doing better job from the beginning, than the others who where following Intel. They are also a HUGE company. Their market value is true to their size, not exaggerated like in Nvidia's or even AMD's case where their market value is mostly what investors expect them to be in a few years.
These last years they messed up in manufacturing, they are getting criticism for that. When TSMC messed up with their 20nm, everyone was saying that they where done. That Samsung and Intel would lead the way and TSMC will eat their dust.
Criticism is not exclusive to Intel. Nvidia had received criticism from people about it's business practices, AMD also is the easy target for tech press, YouTubers and trolls. AMD is getting attacked every second day for reasons that other companies will get an easy pass. Is AMD having an easy time after their RX 7000 introduction? Had they faced less criticism for their AM5 platform? I think not.
 
Intel will get the tiled setup figured out.
 
Hi,
Yeah now most are just messing with bios
Manipulating sensors :p
 
It's the first time (nearly) for them going tiled instead of monolithic, jeez give em a chance. If it was AMD would they still get so much crap?
I do trust that they will eventually get it down, and current troubles stem from getting tropical with new technology as in the long run it will be the right idea, much like AMD with RDNA3, they got tropical and tried to implement chiplets onto gpus, and it didn't go so hot, but in the future it will probably be the right play.
As for me, any shit talking I may engage in is purely because I find it hilarious, it'd be funny if it was happening to nvidia or amd too.
 
What even is this thread? I was looking for a test that shows the IPC of Redwood Cove vs. Raptor Cove, and I stumbled upon this thread.

First of all, considering IPC by merely dividing some aggregate points by an average frequency is criminal, to say the least. Modern day processors are complex in how they boost frequency. Also, you have multiple different clock domains on the chip (e.g., LLCs, NoCs, memory controllers ... etc). The resultant performance, which is easily measured by wall-clock time, is simply the product of all of these domain interacting together to achieve the eventual execution. These domains vary their frequencies to hit some power or thermal goals. Comparing microarchitecture A's IPC to another microarchitecture B's IPC is an intericate task, especially so if these microarchitectures are part of different SoCs using different IPs/sub-systems. However, the best you can do is to _fix_ the frequency of all the different parts of the SoC and execute a benchmark that you can time accuratly. To what frequency you set these sub-system is also important; you do not want to set the frequency for the, say, the LLC too low such that you bottleneck the faster microarchitecture, or too high such that the SoC thermal/power throttle the core. Now, to what frequency you set the other SoC depends on equivalence. If both SoCs use the same organization, then you can match. If not, you need to understand how they work and try to match it. Of course, you can do all of this, **IF** the SoC allows you to set these frequencies. You also need to make sure that the OS scheduler is not interfering and missing up the measurements.

Sadly, I do not have a Meteor Lake CPU on hand for testing. I will see if I can borrow one. But, again, I doubt we can do any apples vs. apples comparision for it, since the mobile SoC has changed from the Raptor Lake one.
 
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