Intel Puts Ohio Fab Groundbreaking Ceremony on Hold, Indefinitely

[TheLostSwede]

@looniam apologies for misunderstanding the last part.

I think you also misunderstood what I wrote. As I said, your local publications aren't wrong, the fab construction will start as intended, but if Intel doesn't get its government money, they'll make sure it's not done according to plan, so they can blame it on the government, while making sure their new German fab gets done first, so they can say "hey, look what happens when we get subsidies".

 

[Bomby569]

There is no bigger fool than someone that trusts in politicians promisses. Should have made sure to get everything in writing.

 

[TheLostSwede]

There is no bigger fool than someone that trusts in politicians promisses. Should have made sure to get everything in writing.

This applies to individuals and companies too, as you can't really trust anyone. At least that's what I've learnt after being screwed over far too many times.
Then again, having things in writing means nothing if you can't afford to take them to court.

 

[AusWolf]

This applies to individuals and companies too, as you can't really trust anyone. At least that's what I've learnt after being screwed over far too many times.
Then again, having things in writing means nothing if you can't afford to take them to court.

Never trust anyone who earns more than you do - a general rule of life for everyone.

 

[R0H1T]

Just trade and everyone is gonna be friends, is an illusion. Without forms of deterrence, you'll lose.

You can still lose if the US decides to ban exports of these chips! Though it's highly unlikely wrt US banning anything to Europe. I'd argue it's much better to invest in RISC V or even ARM & develop true competitors to the major chipmakers but as a short term solution there's no getting around x86 right now.

 

[Daven]

You can still lose if the US decides to ban exports of these chips! Though it's highly unlikely wrt US banning anything to Europe. I'd argue it's much better to invest in RISC V or even ARM & developer true competitors to the major chipmakers but as a short term solution there's no getting around x86 right now.

I would say in the consumer space worldwide x86 has been relegated with around 30-40% market share of internet connected devices.

Enterprise is a different story where x86 still reigns supreme.

 

[RedBear]

Wow, just wow.

I was being sarcastic and I don't expect Pat to seriously hope that Taiwan will get invaded, if anything else because Intel is going to use TSMC's services for the next few years, but we don't live at the end of history and even before the war in Ukraine Pat had warned people about the geopolitical risks inherent in depending on a country with very limited international recognition and that is claimed by its large neighbour as part of its borders. The war in Ukraine has vindicated his warnings, in my opinion, after all Xi Jiping is looking more and more like an autocrat who could disregard the short term damage in favour of a long term ideological design, not unlike Putin.

 

[bogmali]

Thread cleansed for the last time, there have been two warnings about keeping politics out of this but since some continue to not care-next post that I delete/LQ will automatically earn a 25 pointer.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I would say in the consumer space worldwide x86 has been relegated with around 30-40% market share of internet connected devices.
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Enterprise is a different story where x86 still reigns supreme.

That graph is clearly misleading when it comes to Linux, as more and more things in people's home are Linux based. Everything from your router to your smarthome devices run Linux. As such, Linux should have at least 10%, if not more.

I was being sarcastic and I don't expect Pat to seriously hope that Taiwan will get invaded, if anything else because Intel is going to use TSMC's services for the next few years, but we don't live at the end of history and even before the war in Ukraine Pat had warned people about the geopolitical risks inherent in depending on a country with very limited international recognition and that is claimed by its large neighbour as part of its borders. The war in Ukraine has vindicated his warnings, in my opinion, after all Xi Jiping is looking more and more like an autocrat who could disregard the short term damage in favour of a long term ideological design, not unlike Putin.

It didn't exactly come across that way. As someone living in the middle of this, it's also not particularly amusing.

As for Intel warning about things, well, they have something to gain from doing so, especially if they decide to go full in on offering foundry services.

 

[eidairaman1]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's always been the case that if you give someone a little bit of power, they'll always want more. To deny this is to deny human nature.

It's the same with money. It doesn't matter how much you have; you'll always want more.

Its only a tool for survival, if anything were to happen like it does in FotNS, money/jewels would be useless.

so? bloomberg and cnbc also got it wrong.




it seems you missed that.

i mean really? i have to argue for the point of the reporters; who are at the state's capital, getting information first hand from both parties, intel and gov dewine w/senator rob portman, over some national reporters that [probably] only read intel's arizona announcements?

meh.

c'mon, ceremonial ground breaking ≠ start of construction. intel is just drawing attention back to themselves as some rubes and morons have been getting the headlines over here lately.

Like how they continue to dangle the carrot into making suckers think Arc is the gpu saviour (wtf would they launch in china first???)

Most ewaste in computers comes from motherboards. Due to greed and lazy planning, Intel pushes a new socket more than anyone else.

Every other year they are.

They started this bs right after Skt 7 because they were getting their keisters handed to them by Advanced Micro Devices.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Its only a tool for survival, if anything were to happen like it does in FotNS, money/jewels would be useless.


Like how they continue to dangle the carrot into making suckers think Arc is the gpu saviour (wtf would they launch in china first???)


Every other year they are.

They started this bs right after Skt 7 because they were getting their keisters handed to them by Advanced Micro Devices.

What is the problem with changing sockets. You buy a new gen CPU and it needs a new socket, so what. Rather put a new CPU in a board you have had for 5 years...yeah right.

Keister's handed to them, you mean like AMD did for 10+ years? Only Ryzen saved them from history.

Personally I have no problem buying a new board to go with a new CPU, But I guess there are a lot who begrudge buying a board to go with a new CPU even if it might actually be beneficial because of new chipset features.

 

[AusWolf]

What is the problem with changing sockets. You buy a new gen CPU and it needs a new socket, so what. Rather put a new CPU in a board you have had for 5 years...yeah right.

Keister's handed to them, you mean like AMD did for 10+ years? Only Ryzen saved them from history.

Personally I have no problem buying a new board to go with a new CPU, But I guess there are a lot who begrudge buying a board to go with a new CPU even if it might actually be beneficial because of new chipset features.

Let's be honest: by the time one has to buy a new CPU, motherboard technologies will have jumped ahead by miles. Or would you guys rather use your LGA-775 boards with PCI-e 1.1 and USB 2.0 to go with your shiny new Raptor Lake CPU? Bottom line: there's no need to upgrade with every generation. If you only upgrade when you actually need to, you'll have to upgrade your board anyway, let it be Intel or AMD.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Most people do not upgrade that often. Some of us might though. So for a say 4 yearly upgrade, so what if you need to buy a new board too.

If the CPU design/specs change either physically or electrically needing a new socket so be it. Unless you actually think Intel does it deliberately

 

[Daven]

That graph is clearly misleading when it comes to Linux, as more and more things in people's home are Linux based. Everything from your router to your smarthome devices run Linux. As such, Linux should have at least 10%, if not more.


It didn't exactly come across that way. As someone living in the middle of this, it's also not particularly amusing.

As for Intel warning about things, well, they have something to gain from doing so, especially if they decide to go full in on offering foundry services.

My apologies. The graph is just desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. I should have said interactive computing products instead of ‘internet connected devices.’

 

[TheLostSwede]

My apologies. The graph is just desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. I should have said interactive computing products instead of ‘internet connected devices.’

That makes a lot more sense.

What is the problem with changing sockets. You buy a new gen CPU and it needs a new socket, so what. Rather put a new CPU in a board you have had for 5 years...yeah right.

Keister's handed to them, you mean like AMD did for 10+ years? Only Ryzen saved them from history.

Personally I have no problem buying a new board to go with a new CPU, But I guess there are a lot who begrudge buying a board to go with a new CPU even if it might actually be beneficial because of new chipset features.

I recently put a new CPU in my three year old motherboard...
Rumours suggest there might be a further upgrade path, which would be nice, as I don't really need any new features, as it has everything I need for the time being.

Let's be honest: by the time one has to buy a new CPU, motherboard technologies will have jumped ahead by miles. Or would you guys rather use your LGA-775 boards with PCI-e 1.1 and USB 2.0 to go with your shiny new Raptor Lake CPU? Bottom line: there's no need to upgrade with every generation. If you only upgrade when you actually need to, you'll have to upgrade your board anyway, let it be Intel or AMD.

It depends no? Is there a benefit to anyone to get a PCIe 5.0 equipped board this year?
I highly doubt it, but people are still buying them and will buy them when AMD launches its AM4 platform.
Yes, motherboards used to be a step behind, but now they mostly seem to be a step ahead of everything that goes into them, so I don't think your answer here is correct.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for progress, but right now, progress in the motherboard space it outprogressing everything else, which is not how it used to be. It makes the platforms live longer, if they're allowed to.

 

[AusWolf]

It depends no? Is there a benefit to anyone to get a PCIe 5.0 equipped board this year?

Well, if the RX 7500 XT ends up being PCI-e 5.0 x4...

But seriously, is there a benefit of getting a new CPU (with a board) this year if you're already on Zen 3 or Rocket/Alder Lake? Is it worth it to spend hundreds of $/€/£ for a few percent IPC increase?

It's better to upgrade when you have at least double the performance of your current setup, but by that time, PCI-e 5.0 (or maybe 6.0) and USB 4.0 will be mainstream.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well, if the RX 7500 XT ends up being PCI-e 5.0 x4...

But seriously, is there a benefit of getting a new CPU (with a board) this year if you're already on Zen 3 or Rocket/Alder Lake? Is it worth it to spend hundreds of $/€/£ for a few percent IPC increase?

It's better to upgrade when you have at least double the performance of your current setup, but by that time, PCI-e 5.0 (or maybe 6.0) and USB 4.0 will be mainstream.

People will buy AM5 in droves i bet, there will be lots of them on here no doubt.

 

[TheLostSwede]

But seriously, is there a benefit of getting a new CPU (with a board) this year if you're already on Zen 3 or Rocket/Alder Lake? Is it worth it to spend hundreds of $/€/£ for a few percent IPC increase?

Unknown at this point in time.

It's better to upgrade when you have at least double the performance of your current setup, but by that time, PCI-e 5.0 (or maybe 6.0) and USB 4.0 will be mainstream.

As I wrote elsewhere, it's unlikely that we'll see anything beyond PCIe 5.0 in consumer platforms for now. I really wasn't expecting that to be honest, but Intel pushed for it...
So now we have lower-end platforms that only get PCIe 4.0, due to cost, which makes even more "segregation" between high-end and mid-range boards. It's just stupid.

People will buy AM5 in droves i bet, there will be lots of them on here no doubt.

I guess that depends on how it'll perform.

 

[lexluthermiester]

But seriously, is there a benefit of getting a new CPU (with a board) this year if you're already on Zen 3 or Rocket/Alder Lake? Is it worth it to spend hundreds of $/€/£ for a few percent IPC increase?

Not really. The performance gains from upgrading would be minimal.

 

[RedBear]

I guess, all for the better since Intel doesn't really need the government subsidies anyway, they just want to offload the massive development costs to keep their nice high profit margins. It's sad that if Taiwan falls they will get their payday again because politicians are moorons.

Intel probably doesn't need the government subsidies, but if you think about it Intel doesn't need to open a fab in Ohio either, they might just pick some other place where work is cheaper and the local government is more generous with subsidies (which can take several form, from the tax based ones to cheaper energy, etc.). It's up to the Congress and the President to decide whether they just like to talk about returning jobs to the United States or they actually want to do something about it.

It didn't exactly come across that way. As someone living in the middle of this, it's also not particularly amusing.

As for Intel warning about things, well, they have something to gain from doing so, especially if they decide to go full in on offering foundry services.

I guess it might have come as more cynical than I what I meant, but I'm kind of surprised about your change of opinion about this, I remember you were quite dismissal about Pat's warnings some months ago, unless I misunderstood your position back then.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I guess it might have come as more cynical than I what I meant, but I'm kind of surprised about your change of opinion about this, I remember you were quite dismissal about Pat's warnings some months ago, unless I misunderstood your position back then.

The world isn't exactly the same place today as it was a few months ago. I guess I over reacted as well, so sorry for that.