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Intel Readies Overclockable Core i3 "Kaby Lake" Processor

rtwjunkie said:
Human attributes attached to a corporation. :rolleyes:
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Because the Corporation is run by humans, I guess it's fair to label them collectively.
 
An overclocking dual core. Does anyone even run dual cores anymore? Quads and even 6 core CPU's are reasonably priced.

Sorry, don't see this being much of a hit....
 
Caring1 said:
Because the Corporation is run by humans, I guess it's fair to label them collectively.
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Everything a corporation decides like this is centered on emotionless business decisions.
 
rtwjunkie said:
Everything a corporation decides like this is centered on emotionless business decisions.
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Yeah I know, whatever lines their pockets :shadedshu:
 
Caring1 said:
Yeah I know, whatever lines their pockets :shadedshu:
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Exactly. It is the job of a business to make as much as possible. This isn't hurting you, is it?

I mean, no one at Intel said lets make sure to piss off X and Z today with our new product announcement.
 
I'm not a fan of the greed is good mentality.
 
Caring1 said:
I'm not a fan of the greed is good mentality.
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Ok, but there is a difference between a non-profit charity, and a business.

If you have ever owned a business or ever will, you'd try to make every cent you could, because that is not only your livelihood, but your retirement, and the support of a family if you have one. You also need funds for lean times, which could be months or years. Business is a very uncertain world.
 
rtwjunkie said:
Ok, but there is a difference between a non-profit charity, and a business.

If you have ever owned a business or ever will, you'd try to make every cent you could, because that is not only your livelihood, but your retirement, and the support of a family if you have one. You also need funds for lean times, which could be months or years. Business is a very uncertain world.
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I run a ebay business and I know what you are talking about. The summer time is my dry season, also around these 3 weeks right before Christmas. After next week is when all hell breaks lose for over 2 months. I will work everyday shipping things every single day. I dont shut down until 2nd week of Jan. for a nice 3 weeks vacation driving around the US.
I do the job of 5 different people or departments. I'll hire a part timer this year to help with Christmas season.

In the end, any business has to make money. Even if they piss off lots of people. I'm pissing off tons of people on facebook in selling the Nintendo mini classic for 250.
 
Ubersonic said:
In fairness there is a notable difference between a 2C4T CPU and a 2C2T CPU. In most games this new i3 will most likely beat every CPU AMD currently sell (hell it will beat older i7's too). A dual core Pentium/Celeron will not.
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Guru 3D does cpu testing for games. They pair FX8370 and i7 5960X both at 4.3GHz. Framerats are either marginally better on i7 or equal.
Are you telling me this dual core ripoff is going to beat i7 5960X at gaming?
And what if god forbids people need to use their PCs for... you know, something a bit more advance than gaming
 
ShurikN said:
Guru 3D does cpu testing for games. They pair FX8370 and i7 5960X both at 4.3GHz. Framerats are either marginally better on i7 or equal.
Are you telling me this dual core ripoff is going to beat i7 5960X at gaming?
And what if god forbids people need to use their PCs for... you know, something a bit more advance than gaming
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Did you quote me by mistake? You're post doesn't really reference mine :S
 
Ubersonic said:
Did you quote me by mistake? You're post doesn't really reference mine :S
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You stated that it will beat every AMD cpu out there in gaming. I just made a comparison.
 
So, I figure I will address the i3 outrage here. People don't give i3's enough credit. My secondary system uses a 4th gen i3 (a 4160). I can say with certainty it is a very effective chip. Games actually make use of the HT most of the time, which, if it was faster than 3.6GHz, would put it in the same ballpark as many i5's. Only one game so far has balked at the i3 and refused to play, and that was the recent release of Shadow Warrior 2. A patch fixed that within 10 days, and now it works great.

Right now, my i3-4160 is pushing an R9 380x. That's a great pairing. I've also used it with a GTX 970 and a GTX 980 with very good results. Only a few times have I seen anything above 70% CPU utilization. Usually it is across both real cores and the two virtual cores. This tells me that it is a very capable CPU, that is meant for budget situations, but it is nothing to laugh at. No, you would not pair it with a GTX 1080.

Based on my above experiences showing it to be a very capable, low power CPU, I would welcome a 4GHz i3 that can be further overclocked. I call that SWEET!
 
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4.0-4.2 GHz - looks like Intel already got most of it's potential - like my "Devil's Canyon" 4790K (4.0-4.4) which requires massive voltage and cooling to get beyond 4.6 (and has never ran stable @4.7). Maybe this means that the i5-7600K (3.8-4.2) will OC much higher, otherwise why would people spend the $70 difference for "real" cores vs "hyper" cores? 5.0 GHz stable on air/water would definitely give me incentive to upgrade to Kaby...of course, this is all speculation/wishful thinking, and assuming that Intel is worried enough about Zen to do some serious "binning" to assure these high clocks...
 
Melvis said:
Just bought a i7 2600 for less then $10 so.....
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Which is good because the cost of a good mobo to support that CPU could run up to $150+ for a USED board that's worthy of that CPU. Hopefully in your situation, you'll have better luck! :toast:

Cool to see an i3 that's unlocked...to echo what I said in the other thread on this topic, I think they should reduce the models of CPUs sold and unlock em all. Odds are they'd increase sales and we'd all be happier for it. Going back to the Core2 days of overclocking abilities would be cool...

Almost $180 MSRP for that CPU, I really hope AMD's Zen comes in and forces them to push it down closer to $120-140...that's more in-line with what it should be IMHO...unless they average close to 5GHz on good air/small AIO's...

i3's are damn good CPU's though, I've been able to compare how they perform in my household and these little dual cores with HT quite frankly are damn solid for performance and very meager on power consumption. Pretty good combo if you ask me.

rtwjunkie said:
So, I figure I will address the i3 outrage here. People don't give i3's enough credit. My secondary system uses a 4th gen i3 (a 4160). I can say with certainty it is a very effective chip. Games actually make use of the HT most of the time, which, if it was faster than 3.6GHz, would put it in the same ballpark as many i5's. Only one game so far has balked at the i3 and refused to play, and that was the recent release of Shadow Warrior 2. A patch fixed that within 10 days, and now it works great.

Right now, my i3-4160 is pushing an R9 380x. That's a great pairing. I've also used it with a GTX 970 and a GTX 980 with very good results. Only a few times have I seen anything above 70% CPU utilization. Usually it is across both real cores and the two virtual cores. This tells me that it is a very capable CPU, that is meant for budget situations, but it is nothing to laugh at. No, you would not pair it with a GTX 1080.

Based on my above experiences showing it to be a very capable, low power CPU, I would welcome a 4GHz i3 that can be further overclocked. I call that SWEET!
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Same here dude, I have a couple 4160's in my household, and it is a very effective chip with a solid clock speed, plus it sips power compared to the bigger chips. My kids are able to game, stream, do all they need and these CPU's get the job done. Going to the 4160 was a noticeable upgrade from the G3258 OC'd and i3 2105 from a couple generations ago. I also think for the price that the Pentium series are pretty damn effective too...if you get a decent dual core at 3GHz around $55-65 that's a solid performer for a lot of uses...sure multi-threaded games and tasks will suffer, but overall it still performs admirably for what it is IMHO.
 
Hood said:
4.0-4.2 GHz - looks like Intel already got most of it's potential - like my "Devil's Canyon" 4790K (4.0-4.4) which requires massive voltage and cooling to get beyond 4.6 (and has never ran stable @4.7). Maybe this means that the i5-7600K (3.8-4.2) will OC much higher, otherwise why would people spend the $70 difference for "real" cores vs "hyper" cores? 5.0 GHz stable on air/water would definitely give me incentive to upgrade to Kaby...of course, this is all speculation/wishful thinking, and assuming that Intel is worried enough about Zen to do some serious "binning" to assure these high clocks...
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+that bubblegum between core and heat spreader and that will throttle already with stock clocks. Unlocked i3 is still great news, clock to clock comparison to real 4 core i5 is not that big. That price is quite steep though and I have a feeling that intel will jack up price of unlocked i5...
 
I think it sounds interesting, its nice to have an overclockable i3 on the lineup as that will be a fun little chip. The price is a little bit higher than I want, but its still not horrible.
 
rtwjunkie said:
So, I figure I will address the i3 outrage here. People don't give i3's enough credit. My secondary system uses a 4th gen i3 (a 4160). I can say with certainty it is a very effective chip. Games actually make use of the HT most of the time, which, if it was faster than 3.6GHz, would put it in the same ballpark as many i5's. Only one game so far has balked at the i3 and refused to play, and that was the recent release of Shadow Warrior 2. A patch fixed that within 10 days, and now it works great.

Right now, my i3-4160 is pushing an R9 380x. That's a great pairing. I've also used it with a GTX 970 and a GTX 980 with very good results. Only a few times have I seen anything above 70% CPU utilization. Usually it is across both real cores and the two virtual cores. This tells me that it is a very capable CPU, that is meant for budget situations, but it is nothing to laugh at. No, you would not pair it with a GTX 1080.

Based on my above experiences showing it to be a very capable, low power CPU, I would welcome a 4GHz i3 that can be further overclocked. I call that SWEET!
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A fair mount of people on PC enthusiast forums don't know the power efficient world. For them, all that matters is crazily expensive GPU with k-version i7 CPU with little regards to power usage.
 
To me, this CPU looks kind of "pointless" at this price. Anyone looking to buy this will be building a budget machine, and with a boost already at 4.2 GHz there wouldn't be much more overclocking headroom on cheaper air coolers. Cooling this CPU with water would be a waste of money.

I simply don't see the place for this product. Even two good Intel cores is too little for any productive work, so it will only be relevant for budget gaming PCs. But seriously the step up to i5-7600K is only $75.
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Ubersonic said:
In fairness there is a notable difference between a 2C4T CPU and a 2C2T CPU.
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The difference in typical workloads is around 5%. I need to emphasize; a 2C4T CPU is in no way comparable to a 4C CPU. HT only helps to increase the utilization of the existing cores by executing other threads when the pipeline runs into a stall. For gaming HT is known to cause "problems", especially micro stutter.

Ubersonic said:
In most games this new i3 will most likely beat every CPU AMD currently sell (hell it will beat older i7's too). A dual core Pentium/Celeron will not.
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A dual core i3 will beat an "8 core" AMD because most games are bottlenecked without at least one fast core, and the extra cores for AMD can't help with that.
There are more differences than just core count and HT between different CPU families from Intel.
 
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And with that I now fully drop all recommendations for the i5.

Most games are showing a need for more CPU power, and they all support 8-threads - so get an i7!


If you want to save money, the i3 has just as many threads as the i5, and will likely clock slightly higher. As such the difference between them will be minimal.
 
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