Intel Rocket Lake Early Gaming Benchmarks Show Incremental Improvements

[ZoneDymo]

need sources on that claim because I checked youtube and it show the other way.
Like this one or this one (oced vs oced though)
And your 4K low FPS claim is also wrong, I can easily get 200fps+ at 4K with competitive settings in any competitive shooter game

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I'm a little confused about this benchmark, at what resolution they conduct?

Seem too low for 1080p and 1440p, but suspiciously high for UHD.

80fps on the AMD 5000 series at 1440p with a rtx3090, and in this benchmark the 10900k does 78 and the 11700k does 79.6, sooo not seen the problem here.

 

[ratirt]

Intel doesn't have a lot to brag with the new CPUs. So far, really nothing special. Actually, I see these new CPUs worse than the 10th gen to be honest but if the pricing is right who knows.

 

[FireFox]

trash lake

Can you do better, why don't you make your own CPU? Genius.

 

[billEST]

the problem isn't the performance, the problem is how many watts are needed to get that performance... my 5600x draws 75 watts in most games, and beats or ties this which is running at prob double the wattage... lol if not more.

why ? you are greta fan ?

 

[nguyen]

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Well I don't even like Intel that much but 9900K is still a better overall choice than 5600X, you don't have to cherry pick results that hard to prove otherwise .
In fact I was looking to upgrade to a 5900X but they are out of stock like forever, 5600X and 5800X are kinda meh. Looking back maybe I was lucky not able to buy the 5900X due to the general instability of AMD platform (usb disconnect issue and WHEA error)

 

[ZoneDymo]

Can you do better, why don't you make your own CPU? Genius.

orrr just buy AMD, probably a more realistic option, weird you suggest someone should make their own cpu....

 

[FireFox]

weird you suggest someone should make their own cpu....

Well, if they are that good criticizing and aren't happy with something then i assume that they are able to make it better, right?

 

[evernessince]

For 350e I could buy a used 9900K + Z390 board though, which I did, that blows 5600X + B550 out of the water even at stock clock. Intel entire 10th gen was sort of a joke already, hopefully the 11th gen could somehow make a comeback.

That's not really a deal.

The 9900K is slower in games than a 5600X at any resolution and it's only marginally faster in multi-threaded workloads while consuming significantly more power. The 5600X has superior performance in many other professional applications as well.

You don't even need a B550 with a 5600X either. You can grab a B450 for $70.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X review

ZEN3 is here and in this review we'll have a stab at the six-core part, the Ryzen 5 5600X. Overall, this processor series is to bring extensive single and multi-thread workload performance gains. T... Performance - Content Creation Blender 2.8x

www.guru3d.com

You bought used too so no warranty either. I'd have taken the 5600X any day of the week. Why do you think the guy was selling his 9900K? He was likely upgrading to Ryzen.

 

[Space Lynx]

maybe I was lucky not able to buy the 5900X due to the general instability of AMD platform (usb disconnect issue and WHEA error)

just an fyi, I have not had a single WHEA error. and no usb issues either, though I read the USB issues mostly are with nvidia cards and im running all AMD, so eh

 

[evernessince]

Well I don't even like Intel that much but 9900K is still a better overall choice than 5600X, you don't have to cherry pick results that hard to prove otherwise .
In fact I was looking to upgrade to a 5900X but they are out of stock like forever, 5600X and 5800X are kinda meh. Looking back maybe I was lucky not able to buy the 5900X due to the general instability of AMD platform (usb disconnect issue and WHEA error)

From the video you linked:

Ryzen 5600X is better by about the same margin Intel has led AMD the last 3 years in gaming. If that's not a win then Intel never had a win in gaming over the last 3 years either. You can't say otherwise without having a double standard.

Your linked video doesn't support the conclusion you seem to have drawn in any regard. You won't find a reviewer that's going to recommend the 9900K over the 5600X.

 

[B-Real]

Another Intel release, another Intel lie.

Looking for the stated "IPC" increase in games, when has that ever been the case? SPECstuff benchmarks is probably where Intel got its increase from, it might show up in some heavy load test like Cinebench. Anandtech review shows SPECstuff increasing at various percent which may be double digit on average. Cinebench had double-digit improvement. Jury for games and whatnot is still out there and we will need to wait for proper reviews - anandtech showed mostly regression, CapFrameX results are a small improvement.

For gaming? Look at TPU review results - Gaming power consumption difference between 5600X and 10900K is ~30W
Games and non-productivity or non-science software is not using AVX2 all that much, much less AVX-512 where power consumption concerns really creep in.

They also promised Rocket Lake CPUs will be faster in games than Zen 3. That was a lie. BTW, with 30-40W differences between RX 480 and 1060, people like you were laughing at AMD. Now it hits back on you.

For 350e I could buy a used 9900K + Z390 board though, which I did, that blows 5600X + B550 out of the water even at stock clock. Intel entire 10th gen was sort of a joke already, hopefully the 11th gen could somehow make a comeback.

So you are comparing used CPUs to new ones. LOLZ
In what way does it "blow" 5600X? As 5600X is faster in games and even in multithread it's near the 9900K with 2 cores less.

Your 5600x also costs 350€ here on Europe, while 10600k uses 20watts more in gaming while being 10% behind AMD.

It costs 200€ tho, almost half.

Paying 350€+ for a 6c/12t in 2021 feels silly to me

If you want it to be only 10% behind the 5600X, you have to compare them with RAMs with same speed. For 3000 or 3200 MHz RAMs (which give extra fps), you NEED to buy a Z motherboard for Intel as the B460 motherboards DO NOT support RAMs over 2666 MHz. Then your price advantage of the 10600K is gone as you have to buy the more expensive Z490 mobo - and also a cooler, as 10600K doesn't come with a stock cooler compared to the 5600X. So all in all, if you want an apple to apple comparison regarding performance, the 10600K system WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE than the 5600X system.

 

[nguyen]

From the video you linked:


Ryzen 5600X is better by about the same margin Intel has led AMD the last 3 years in gaming. If that's not a win then Intel never had a win in gaming over the last 3 years either. You can't say otherwise without having a double standard.

Your linked video doesn't support the conclusion you seem to have drawn in any regard. You won't find a reviewer that's going to recommend the 9900K over the 5600X.

Funny that the clip from Tech deals has the timestamp at 17:22 "which CPU should you buy" and he talked for 2 minutes why 9900K or 3700X are better than 5600X, yet in your narrow view, 5600X looks better in numbers .
Also had you looked closer at the numbers, 9900K beat the 3700X by a very big margin there, not 2-3%.

8700K vs 1700X? not even a contest in gaming workload.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Well I don't even like Intel that much but 9900K is still a better overall choice than 5600X, you don't have to cherry pick results that hard to prove otherwise .
In fact I was looking to upgrade to a 5900X but they are out of stock like forever, 5600X and 5800X are kinda meh. Looking back maybe I was lucky not able to buy the 5900X due to the general instability of AMD platform (usb disconnect issue and WHEA error)

Well I just googled 9900k vs 5600k to check the claims, this is the first thing that came up
I just remember from GN that properly set up a 5600k is currently the fastest gaming cpu available, obviously everything is relative, a 9900k is more then plenty for literally anything out there.
....I am....STILL....running a 2600k.....and currently (because it was 5 bucks) im sticking a lot of time in Red Dead Online (great fun with friends btw) and the limiting factor there is just my RX480, the cpu is not holding my back...and again.... a 2600k....

 

[yotano211]

That's not really a deal.

The 9900K is slower in games than a 5600X at any resolution and it's only marginally faster in multi-threaded workloads while consuming significantly more power. The 5600X has superior performance in many other professional applications as well.

You don't even need a B550 with a 5600X either. You can grab a B450 for $70.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X review

ZEN3 is here and in this review we'll have a stab at the six-core part, the Ryzen 5 5600X. Overall, this processor series is to bring extensive single and multi-thread workload performance gains. T... Performance - Content Creation Blender 2.8x

www.guru3d.com

You bought used too so no warranty either. I'd have taken the 5600X any day of the week. Why do you think the guy was selling his 9900K? He was likely upgrading to Ryzen.

There is nothing wrong with buying used parts. For the past 4 years, I've had nothing but used laptops but still current gen laptop, just slightly used.

 

[BSim500]

I still haven't a clue how it actually performs. This article suggests it's faster, whilst the Anandtech one says it's consistently slower in games due to higher latency?... Poor power consumption, AVX512 seems a bit useless to consumers and soon to be obsoleted by socket 1700 in barely 6 months? I get that budget Comet Lake (£128 i5-10400F + cheap B460) is a killer buy vs AMD's £330 5600X "competition", but I don't see Rocket Lake as any "upgrade" to cheaper, cooler and potentially faster Comet Lake at all if Anandtech article is correct on the latency thing.

You don't even need a B550 with a 5600X either. You can grab a B450 for $70.

Unfortunately most $70 motherboards are cr*p for one reason or another, and if you want fast Wi-Fi then virtually all even "premium" B350/450 boards have been artificially crippled to 1x1 / 433mbps (when even Skylake B150 boards came with 2x2 / 866mbps). The real problem with AMD's competition at the moment is CPU pricing ("in stock" 5600X is going for £330 in the UK vs £125 i5-10400F for same 6/12c cores or £238 for i7-10700F), or literally triple the price the older 1600/1600AF/2600 went for and certainly more than double of the 3600's before they inflated in price too). For budget builds (vs the £72 i3-10100F), 3300X was always pure vapourware in many regions as is desktop Renoir (outside of OEM's), there's no 5300X, 3100 out of stock, etc. Even with $70 B450 boards, I don't find either of 2021's Intel vs AMD "offerings" compelling at all vs simply waiting until sanity returns to the market...

 

[Deleted member 205776]

Can you do better, why don't you make your own CPU? Genius.

That's the worst counter "argument" I've ever seen

 

[Chrispy_]

I'll assume they're talking about the IGP because actual dGPU gaming performance has been hurt by Rocket Lake's slower cache. The Anandtech review quite clearly shows the increased cache latency across the board compared to 10th gen and the last 15 years of CPU reviews have proven quite conclusively that gaming performance is highly dependent on a large, fast cache. I guess increasing the cache latency was a necessary concession when backporting a design to a bigger process node - they had to slow it down to make work at all.

Meanwhile AMD just sits on its hands with Vega7 from 2017 being the highest class of IGP that's realistically attainable in a laptop. Likely paired with single-channel ultra-cheap RAM.

As far as Rocket Lake goes, it looks like one step forward and two steps backwards. Intel needs to show a working product but the loss of two cores, the hamstrung cache latency, and the vastly increased power consumption over what was already embarrassingly bad makes 10th-gen the smarter buy. AVX512 is the one-trick pony and the only reason you should consider 11th gen over 10th gen.

 

[bonehead123]

"Incremental" Otherwise known as Intel's middle name... hahahaha

They's still milkin da (cash) cow, once AgAiN....

But seriously folks, did anyone REALLY truly expect anything moar from big blue ???

n.O.t me

 

[ZoneDymo]

"Incremental" Otherwise known as Intel's middle name... hahahaha

They's still milkin da (cash) cow, once AgAiN....

But seriously folks, did anyone REALLY truly expect anything moar from big blue ???

n.O.t me

idk, it is quite a frankenstein cpu, could have have been decent, still dont know how the IGPU relates to the old.
The 7700k all the way to the 10900k use the UHD630.

 

[bonehead123]

idk, it is quite a frankenstein cpu, could have have been decent, still dont know how the IGPU relates to the old.
The 7700k all the way to the 10900k use the UHD630.

Tru dat, but I don't care about the IGPU anyways, I just want some REAL, MAJOR improvements in performance....ie speed/ipc/lower wattage....not moar of the same ole same same "incremental" crap like with the past 8-10 releases.....

But then that would probably put the cash cow out to pasture for sure, wouldn't it

 

[ZoneDymo]

Tru dat, but I don't care about the IGPU anyways, I just want some REAL, MAJOR improvements in performance....ie speed/ipc/lower wattage....not moar of the same ole same same "incremental" crap like with the past 8-10 releases.....

But then that would probably put the cash cow out to pasture for sure, wouldn't it

Yep yep but we will see with Alderlake....fingers crossed

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Zen 3 is an awesome CPU line priced silly if you're a gamer and Intel's 11-th gen will not be worth price premium over today's 10th gen pricing.

5600X costs 330€ atm in Germany. Couple it with a decent budget friendly MB like Gigabyte B550M Pro-P (120€) and you end up with 490€ combo.
On the other hand you can buy 10400F for 130€ couple it with cheapest still decent Z490 MB (so you get unlocked ram speeds) like MSI Z490-A PRO for 140€ and it'll cost you 270€ combined.

Now if we look at gaming benchmarks comparison: 720p = +9% / 1080p = +1.6% / 1440p&4K = inside 1% in Ryzen's favor. Average power consumption during stress test 5600X=134W & 10400F=139W (less than 4% difference)

Is less than 2% more FPS at 1080p worth 80% price premium if you're a gamer? Not in my eyes. I'd be willing to pay 200 bucks for 5600X as you get better CPU overall but that's about it. 220€ is a difference between 3070 and 3080 GPU (if GPU market ever normalizes again). 10400F+3080 (or 6800XT) combo will give you +30% FPS on average than 5600X+3070 for the same money. It's a no brainer if you're building PC primarily for gaming imho.

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[londiste]

On the other hand you can buy 10400F for 130€ couple it with cheapest still decent Z490 MB (so you get unlocked ram speeds) like MSI Z490-A PRO for 140€ and it'll cost you 270€ combined.

B560 boards also allow unlocked ram speeds. Not that it makes much of a difference in price.

 

[1d10t]

Zen 3 is an awesome CPU line priced silly if you're a gamer and Intel's 11-th gen will not be worth price premium over today's 10th gen pricing.

5600X costs 330€ atm in Germany. Couple it with a decent budget friendly MB like Gigabyte B550M Pro-P (120€) and you end up with 490€ combo.
On the other hand you can buy 10400F for 130€ couple it with cheapest still decent Z490 MB (so you get unlocked ram speeds) like MSI Z490-A PRO for 140€ and it'll cost you 270€ combined.

Now if we look at gaming benchmarks comparison: 720p = +9% / 1080p = +1.6% / 1440p&4K = inside 1% in Ryzen's favor. Average power consumption during stress test 5600X=134W & 10400F=139W (less than 4% difference)

Is less than 2% more FPS at 1080p worth 80% price premium if you're a gamer? Not in my eyes. I'd be willing to pay 200 bucks for 5600X as you get better CPU overall but that's about it. 220€ is a difference between 3070 and 3080 GPU (if GPU market ever normalizes again). 10400F+3080 (or 6800XT) combo will give you +30% FPS on average than 5600X+3070 for the same money. It's a no brainer if you're building PC primarily for gaming imho.

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You made this particular cpu look worse than it already is.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

B560 boards also allow unlocked ram speeds. Not that it makes much of a difference in price.

Not when coupled with 10th gen CPUs unfortunately.