Is Microsoft Deliberately Limiting AMD CPU Performance?

[Onasi]

I love conspiracy theories. I am sure that MJ12 is also involved in AMD bungling the Zen 5 launch somehow.

 

[mb194dc]

I doubt it, more likely its incompetence. That and they're putting massive resources in to copilot... Which doesn't seem to be going great either.

 

[AleXXX666]

maybe just MS is trying to sell us a crappy unstable OS?

 

[AusWolf]

It's not the same on Intel. Intel has a hardware scheduler on the chip, which is why their CPU's work pretty good even on Win 10.

Doesn't AMD work good on Windows 10? The problem was Windows 11 the last time I checked. And what about Thread Director? Isn't that software to control the CPU?

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

maybe just MS is trying to sell us a crappy unstable OS?

it's prefect plan offer crap & offer better for subscription based users
"subscribe for premium for a higher stability OS, for only $49.99 a month"
I can see it now.

 

[SL2]

I'm just mucking around/trolling, don't take my comment seriously lol.

Same! Tried to chime in but I guess I failed.

 

[Redwoodz]

No, it's not Microsoft per se, it's tech workers in general in all leading software firms. The sheep don't even realize their bias in many cases. Listen to them now praising Intel for it's thread scheduler when all Intel did was copy AMD's work with Microsoft starting with Bulldozer. MOAR CORES anyone? Funny how fast people forget.
Any threat to their supposed tech supremecy is met with resistance in the whole industry because noobs want to be on top at any cost. Including paying $2000 for a gaming gpu.

 

[SL2]

I can see it now.

Now?

I've heard this ever since W10 was launched.

"WAAS? Windows as a service? That must mean a monthly fee!!!111"

An eternally looping FUD that never ends. Forum members and clickbaity news posts all over the net have repeated this idea for an eternity.

Again, MS might be crap, evil and sloppy, but it still haven't happened. They could have pulled it off 20 years ago but not today. Just look at W11 adoption rate, and Windows market share in general. Then you look at their stock, they must be doing something right.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Now?

I've heard this ever since W10 was launched.

"WAAS? Windows as a service? That must mean a monthly fee!!!111"

I didn't say Windows as Service
I said PREIUM Monthly charge.

 

[neatfeatguy]

The way MS does things when it comes to just security patches and they break things that have never been broken before and it takes them weeks/months to fix.....anyone remember when they broke the print spooler a few years ago with a security update? And then even with a handful of "fixes" they put in place over the next few months to correct the security issues and the broken print spooler they still didn't get things straightened out for quite some time.

I wouldn't put it past them for breaking something with some update and it's proving to be too hard for them to fix quickly or easily.

 

[SL2]

I said PREIUM Monthly charge.

So did I. Premium or not. Even if your reasons for fantasizing about monthly fees are different than most people it doesn't make it more real.

Meanwhile, Windows gaming performance have improved for Zen5 during the last month so no, MS is not keeping the good bits for PREMIUM customers lol.

Still no signs of a monthly fee, except in peoples heads. It has been concluded that 24H2 gives a better and more consistent experience with Zen5 besides having KB5041587.

But yeah, this thread wouldn't have been possible if 24H2 was used in the video. It doesn't fit the narrative!

 

[P4-630]

Yeah man.. Arrow Lake is the only way to go.

 

[Kapone33]

It's not the same on Intel. Intel has a hardware scheduler on the chip, which is why their CPU's work pretty good even on Win 10.

Too bad they also have a Voltage and power draw issue.

 

[londiste]

Doesn't AMD work good on Windows 10? The problem was Windows 11 the last time I checked.

No, it does not.
There are different features - mainly Virtualization-Based Security - that being enabled by default make up for most of the difference. And this is not an AMD thing.

 

[HD64G]

Thing is that win11 mainly existed to allow Intel's 12th gen to work properly with the asymmetrical cores. Previously MS had declared that they wouldn't need to make another OS after the win10 and they would just update it. I wasn't there in the talks but highly suspicious about why the win11 made latest Intel CPUs perform well and AMD ones perform worse than win10. I think it was a strategic decision. As for the few % of difference, it was enough to keep Intel afloat for 4 years now until they made their CPUs burn themselves in months. Without the Win11 aidance, Intel would be in deep trouble since 2022 at the latest for being so much behind in efficiency, cost and versatility by not having chiplets.

 

[chrcoluk]

No, I dont know why but there seems to be paranoia amongst some AMD fans, where they think weird things like there is scheming from Microsoft and competitors, why would Microsoft want to gimp their own OS deliberately, especially on hardware from a vendor they rely on for their games consoles.

There is unoptimal things on Intel as well, like how the scheduler prefers to use HT cores instead of idle physical cores and over using the preferred (higher clocked) cores. Sadly the OS just has issues here and there.

 

[R-T-B]

I do not think it's intentional targeting. It's more like the smaller vendor gets less support. It comes with the territory.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Late 90s and early 00s, there was a popular term - "Wintel".

So, it is not a strange thing if Intel and MS are again hand in hand.

Totally agree. However, I think there is a HUGE misunderstanding over what some here think any single company has the power to do, or how a single company can or can't influence the entire industry.

If one does the research, while keeping in mind all the companies and industries involved in putting together a single ATX motherboard, they might be surprised to learn how many companies must come together, compromise, come to a consensus, and put out a standard they all agree to abide by. Look at the following list:

AMD​

Apple​

Brother​

Intel​

Microsoft​

Dell​

HP​

Acer​

Corsair​

GE​

Google​

GM​

Lenovo​

NVIDIA​

Sampson​

Sony​

Siemens​

ViewSonic​

ZOWEE​

That is just a tiny tiny handful of the 100s and 100s of "member" companies that contribute input for creating just the USB standards. There is a similar list for ATX Form Factors, IEEE standards, PCIe standards, ISA, HDMI, DisplayPort, Ethernet, wifi, DDRx, and many many more.

I assure all those AMD haters, Intel haters, Microsoft haters, Apple haters, hater haters - that no one company has absolute control over anything - especially their own products. Not even the king of proprietary; Apple.

If you think about it for a second, it is truly amazing how hundreds of companies came together, compromised, and make a device allowing you to read this post!!!!

If only politicians set aside their hate and biases, compromised and met in the middle (instead of my way or no way ) to do that.

Seems more likely AMD "the software company" screwed up. If AMD doesn't communicate or even notice issues, then that's on AMD. Intel noticed scheduling issues with Alder Lake and worked on their own and with MS to resolve them within year one, not two generations after. That's called initiative.

Yeah, I agree - this time it does seem to be an AMD software issue. And I also agree communications, or the lack there of is a HUGE issue. But that is definitely NOT a problem exclusive to AMD. Especially in these HUGE corporations where often the C-Level execs, marketing weenies, and the developers don't know what the others are doing, and worse, the C-level execs and the marketing weenies don't listen to their own customers to learn what WE want.

 

[chrcoluk]

Thing is that win11 mainly existed to allow Intel's 12th gen to work properly with the asymmetrical cores. Previously MS had declared that they wouldn't need to make another OS after the win10 and they would just update it. I wasn't there in the talks but highly suspicious about why the win11 made latest Intel CPUs perform well and AMD ones perform worse than win10. I think it was a strategic decision. As for the few % of difference, it was enough to keep Intel afloat for 4 years now until they made their CPUs burn themselves in months. Without the Win11 aidance, Intel would be in deep trouble since 2022 at the latest for being so much behind in efficiency, cost and versatility by not having chiplets.

They could have added thread director to Windows 10, a scheduler change does not need a new OS, the reason it is in 11 only is that Microsoft have almost feature frozen 10 at this point, they want people to upgrade to 11. I expect the request came in from Intel at the point the dev branch was already 11, so it went in 11. 11 wouldnt have been released to slow down AMD CPUs, this seems really extreme paranoia.

Also the HUB tests for intel are posted in another thread, Intel CPUs also get a similar speed up in the latest 11 build. So yes 10 is slower for Intel than 24H2 the same as it is for AMD.

 

[HD64G]

They could have added thread director to Windows 10, a scheduler change does not need a new OS, the reason it is in 11 only is that Microsoft have almost feature frozen 10 at this point, they want people to upgrade to 11. I expect the request came in from Intel at the point the dev branch was already 11, so it went in 11. 11 wouldnt have been released to slow down AMD CPUs, this seems really extreme paranoia.

Also the HUB tests for intel are posted in another thread, Intel CPUs also get a similar speed up in the latest 11 build. So yes 10 is slower for Intel than 24H2 the same as it is for AMD.

The scheduler in win11 was much more suitable for Intel's arch than for AMD's, yes or no? The videos prove that soundly and that's the answer to the thread's question.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

W10 / W11 ?

Isn't there different "versions" of the operating system?

Is this all done on 21H or 22H updates?

 

[R-T-B]

The scheduler in win11 was much more suitable for Intel's arch than for AMD's, yes or no? The videos prove that soundly and that's the answer to the thread's question.

Oh no if only cpus had a branch instruction and a cpu vendor code to tell brands apart.

 

[HD64G]

Oh no if only cpus had a branch instruction and a cpu vendor code to tell brands apart.

Exactly why anyone has reasons to doubt MS. What excuse has MS for this flop of 10 being so much worse than 11 only for AMD cpus (with rare exceptions)?

 

[dirtyferret]

I can't believe all this stupid arguing when it's so obvious to anyone that Bill Gates is using Jewish space lasers to infect AMD processors with the covid vaccine in order to stop the liberal media from exposing the truth about illegal aliens from outer space entering the united states and eating our pets while continuing to spread false rumors of the earth being round.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I can't believe all this stupid arguing when it's so obvious to anyone that Bill Gates is using Jewish space lasers to infect AMD processors with the covid vaccine in order to stop the liberal media from exposing the truth about illegal aliens from outer space entering the united states and eating our pets while continuing to spread false rumors of the earth being round.

Amd fanboys right now....