Is Optane still Relevant? Is there a NAND equal for OS? [Hope to get an answer from SSD reviewer too]

[Viruzz]

Hi,
I have 480Gb Optane PCie card for OS, it always problematic since I use capture card and U.2 drive that needs adapters i always have issue finding a PCIe slot.

Is there any m.2 NAND drive 1TB that can equally replace Optane without any performance loss?

After booting my PC, I usually load 3 web browsers, one is WaterFox that has 1200-1400 tabs open, and i have bunch of otehr browsers that have hundreds of tabs each

Cheers

 

[dgianstefani]

No.

 

[Viruzz]

No.

No what?

 

[Durhamranger]

Hi,
I have 480Gb Optane PCie card for OS, it always problematic since I use capture card and U.2 drive that needs adapters i always have issue finding a PCIe slot.

Is there any m.2 NAND drive 1TB that can equally replace Optane without any performance loss?

After booting my PC, I usually load 3 web browsers, one is WaterFox that has 1200-1400 tabs open, and i have bunch of otehr browsers that have hundreds of tabs each

Cheers

Hi there....

I Have a 900p 480 gig, for 4k read and 4k writes there`s not anything that can touch Optane....

have you every thought about moving one of your 970`s to an external enclosure then using a u2 to nvme adapter

 

[Viruzz]

Hi there....

I Have a 900p 480 gig, for 4k read and 4k writes there`s not anything that can touch Optane....

have you every thought about moving one of your 970`s to an external enclosure then using a u2 to nvme adapter

I want a clean install.
I have z690 Master to move to
I have M.2 to PCie x4 adapter, but to hold it straight ill have to hot glue the Optane
I do have U.2 cable that goes to M.2 but if you ever used such cables they ugly but more than that they stiff and problematic, its like thin strains of copper, I honestly prefer the PCIe adapter where yuou plug the U.2 and just stick in PCie slot

Also with Z690 if I plug optane into PCIe slot it will be going trough chipset, only if i use M.2 to PCIE adapter and hot glue the card ill get direct to CPU access, the top M.2 slot

This z690 has 5 m.2 slots and only 3 usable
1 is shared with 2 sata ports and I have 5 sata devices + 1 is used for external powered esata for easy connection
1 is shared with PCIe slot, so it outright useless

1 is CPU connected
and 2 Chipset connected and not shared
and I have 2 PCIe x4 slots trough chipset


Right now on x570, I use PCIe bifurcation on x8 slot and through adapter that splits x4+x4 i have 2 devices connected to same PCIe slot, the U.2 and the optane

I miss Intel HEDT, I wish they come with alder lake HEDT so i can move to a platform that doesn't suck in gaming and has plenty of PCie


I cant believe that modern NAND is still not up to par, im sure that strictly in Benchamrks Optane wins, but maybe something like Kingston Fury or Samsung 980 pro or WD 850 performs just the same to the naked eye if you not measure them, I don't care about the sequential speeds, just good 4k performance and system performance

BTW in this AMD that i use right now im getting 130mb/s 4K read/write, my old Intel 9900K benchmarks show 230m/s and 240 mb/s

 

[dgianstefani]

No what?

There is no normal ssd that can match optane.

 

[newtekie1]

Considering Intel killed the product line, I think that kind of answers if it is still relevant. No it really isn't.

There is no normal ssd that can match optane.

That really depends. If you are talking about outright sequential speed, the PCI-E 4.0 drives have surpassed the Optane 900p by quite a bit. The 900p is still faster at random performance, but things are getting close with some drive even having higher IOPS than the 900p. But the difference is the 900p offers the same consistent performance through the whole drive, no matter how full the drive is.

With all that said though, in real world use today I don't think anyone would ever be able to actually tell the difference between a high end PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive and an Optane 900p anymore.

After booting my PC, I usually load 3 web browsers, one is WaterFox that has 1200-1400 tabs open, and i have bunch of otehr browsers that have hundreds of tabs each

This action is going to be slowed by your internet connection more than anything else, as all those tabs loading their data through the internet will be the bottleneck way more than any OS SSD you could use.

 

[Viruzz]

This action is going to be slowed by your internet connection more than anything else, as all those tabs loading their data through the internet will be the bottleneck way more than any OS SSD you could use.

No, im not that crazy, all tabs are in frozen state, it just big browser window and tabs with their names and icons it loads from cache.

So which 1tb M.2 SDD would you consider the Ultimate OS drive SSD? ignoring their cost.

I would get 2 or even 4Tb, the more the faster it is and I can copy stuff there as temp [Since win95, re-format once a month era, I got used to having dedicated OS drive that doesn't have any files except outlook database, Documents folder, game saves and software of course], but PCIe Gen 5 drives are incoming so investing in big OS drive when faster models just around the corner is IMO not a great idea.

 

[Mussels]

No, im not that crazy, all tabs are in frozen state, it just big browser window and tabs with their names and icons it loads from cache.

So which 1tb M.2 SDD would you consider the Ultimate OS drive SSD? ignoring their cost.

I would get 2 or even 4Tb, the more the faster it is and I can copy stuff there as temp [Since win95, re-format once a month era, I got used to having dedicated OS drive that doesn't have any files except outlook database, Documents folder, game saves and software of course], but PCIe Gen 5 drives are incoming so investing in big OS drive when faster models just around the corner is IMO not a great idea.

The SN850 was the fastest TPU had reviewed for general purpose use, when i bought mine.

Use primocache on top with any excess RAM, if you're that obsessed with speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.
(Optane is dead for now. SSD's got fast enough and cheap enough, that caching mech drives died off)

 

[newtekie1]

Use primocache on top with any excess RAM, if you're that obsessed with speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.
(Optane is dead for now. SSD's got fast enough and cheap enough, that caching mech drives died off)

The Optane he is using isn't the cache tech, it's the full blown Optane drive for everything tech. So the Optane drive can be the only drive in the machine.

And that's part of the problem that caused Optane to fail. It was too many techs all under one name.

On another note, I was going to recommend the SN850 as well.

 

[Viruzz]

The Optane he is using isn't the cache tech, it's the full blown Optane drive for everything tech. So the Optane drive can be the only drive in the machine.

And that's part of the problem that caused Optane to fail. It was too many techs all under one name.

On another note, I was going to recommend the SN850 as well.

hmm, so SN850 over E18 with new 176 layer nand, I have a feeling WD is coming with updated model, the price steadily dropping on Amazon, its even cheaper then Samsung 980 pro, was more expensive, its same price as rocket 4 plus and couple dollars more then SP XS70

I just recived Silicon Power XS70 2Tb for my PS5, sadly i cant even bench it, with water loop and the stupid one huge hetasink that cover the chipset and all drives i cant get where the m.2 are

 

[dgianstefani]

Considering Intel killed the product line, I think that kind of answers if it is still relevant. No it really isn't.


That really depends. If you are talking about outright sequential speed, the PCI-E 4.0 drives have surpassed the Optane 900p by quite a bit. The 900p is still faster at random performance, but things are getting close with some drive even having higher IOPS than the 900p. But the difference is the 900p offers the same consistent performance through the whole drive, no matter how full the drive is.

With all that said though, in real world use today I don't think anyone would ever be able to actually tell the difference between a high end PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive and an Optane 900p anymore.


This action is going to be slowed by your internet connection more than anything else, as all those tabs loading their data through the internet will be the bottleneck way more than any OS SSD you could use.

Sequential is completely irrelevant. 4k/random is all that matters.

 

[oobymach]

Sequential is completely irrelevant. 4k/random is all that matters.

Why does 4k matter? Do ssd drives not write sequentially say during the installation of a game and read sequentially when loading a game?

 

[Mussels]

Why does 4k matter? Do ssd drives not write sequentially say during the installation of a game and read sequentially when loading a game?

no, SSD's do not do anything sequentially internally. The reason they're fast is they're like a mini RAID array, reading from as many chips as possible at once.

 

[defaultluser]

unless you access databases or compile massive applications regularly, the access times bonus of of Optane are not worth the trouble!!

 

[80251]

Hasn't optane been discontinued by Intel? Or is that only certain optane product lines (they have something like three or four optane product lines, incl. one that can be installed in DIMM slots)?

 

[defaultluser]

Hasn't optane been discontinued by Intel? Or is that only certain optane product lines (they have something like three or four optane product lines, incl. one that can be installed in DIMM slots)?

It's not fast enough t replace DRAM, and also lacks the lifetime (so, they are havin trouble selling those DIMMs!

The only cancellation has been the consumer lines:

Intel Kills Off All Optane-Only SSDs for Consumers, No Replacements Planned (Updated)

All Optane SSDs for desktop PCs discontinued

www.tomshardware.com

 

[80251]

Considering the prices of the enterprise optane SSD's NVMe should really be NVMi or nevermind.

 

[Selaya]

you could try one of those weird m.2 > pcie adaptors if yours isnt like, u.2 (in that case try the m.2 > u.2 adaptor), would free up your pcie slot

alternatively, buy a m.2 optane (yes, those exist) - AND A M.2 COOLER SINCE OPTANES RUN HOT

 

[newtekie1]

the price steadily dropping on Amazon, its even cheaper then Samsung 980 pro

That's why I recommend it. It's a really good performer, and it's getting cheap.

Sequential is completely irrelevant. 4k/random is all that matters.

You don't know what IOPS are do you? Typically, a drive with a higher IOPS will have better random performance. Hence why I talk about IOPS.

Why does 4k matter? Do ssd drives not write sequentially say during the installation of a game and read sequentially when loading a game?

Almost nothing is done sequentially except large file transfers. Loading a game is not sequential, it's accessing many small files, or parts of files, all at once. Same with installation of the game.

no, SSD's do not do anything sequentially internally. The reason they're fast is they're like a mini RAID array, reading from as many chips as possible at once.

There is also the benefit of there being no latency between accessing each bits. The drive doesn't have to wait for a read/write head to be in the correct position to access a bit. That's why even SSDs with a single flash chip can still destroy a hard drive in random performance.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hi,
I have 480Gb Optane PCie card for OS, it always problematic since I use capture card and U.2 drive that needs adapters i always have issue finding a PCIe slot.

Is there any m.2 NAND drive 1TB that can equally replace Optane without any performance loss?

After booting my PC, I usually load 3 web browsers, one is WaterFox that has 1200-1400 tabs open, and i have bunch of otehr browsers that have hundreds of tabs each

Cheers

Get a higher end pc with more pciex bandwidth, though why your use case exists is beyond me, isn't it a page of header at that point, I jest .

None the less 3xpciex nvme drives in raid 0 with a memory cache is also hard to beat in use ,so long as you stay below 50% storage use.

 

[Viruzz]

Get a higher end pc with more pciex bandwidth, though why your use case exists is beyond me, isn't it a page of header at that point, I jest .

None the less 3xpciex nvme drives in raid 0 with a memory cache is also hard to beat in use ,so long as you stay below 50% storage use.

There is no higher end PC, thats the whole point lol its 12900K on Gigabyte Master, im on MSI x570 creation with 5950x atm [too lazy to upgrade, the parts just collecting dust but removing cleaning and re-assembling the water loop is the biggest issue].
Actually the tabs are wide, i use Waterfox and it allows multi-raw tabs, in 4K 100% scaling i have rather lots of space and since i use 55inch oled as my monitor everything is still big enough,

Mem cache is problematic on alder lake, there is DDR5 compatibility issue and price i have Gskill 32/6000 kit, in theory i can get a second one but it might not work
And the 32gb that i have are not enough for any cache, unless i allocate just 1-2gb

I guess ill have to hot-glue the Optane to M.2 to PCie x4 adapter

That's why I recommend it. It's a really good performer, and it's getting cheap.

I just stumbled upon this page: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/silicon-power-xs70-1-tb/4.html

Based on this
1. Corsair XT Pro
2. Kingston KC3000 [and probably the updated Fury]
3. Gamix Blade
4. SP XS70
and WD is 5th or 6th place