Is this input lag?

[Lkzz]

Hey guys, first of all my Specs: (also on my "System Specs" under my picture)


Asus Rog Maximus X
Intel I7-9700kf 3.6ghz
Corsair 16GB Dominator Platinum
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti
250 GB SSD, 1TB HDD

Monitor Samsung SyncMaster TA550 / 60hz, basically a television
Keyboard: Hyperx Alloy Core Mouse: HyperX Pulsefire Core RGB

While playing CSGO and others games like Call of Duty, the mouse does not move as fast as it's supposed to according to the sensitivity, it seems like its really heavy, dont know how to explain. It kinda moves slower. I dont have idea if the problem is input lag. So far, I have tried these: Reinstalling my CSGO and config, tried to change my mouse settings on windows, updated my NVIDIA drivers and my windows. I did all this and I changed my monitor that was a Samsung 632nw for this one that I've mentioned before. I did a lot of changes recently on my PC, but I'm not sure if any of this are causing this problem. I'm thinking about formatting my PC, but I'm not so sure if this is going to solve my problem, but in last case I can try.

Is this what they call input lag and does it have anything to do with my monitor? I hope it's not because that´s the only one I have, I intend on buying a 144hz, but rn I dont have enough money.

I hope you guys can help me, I having this problem for like 4 days and it's freaking my out, its literally impossible to play any FPS, Thanks

 

[jboydgolfer]

Hey guys, first of all my Specs:


Asus Rog Maximus X
Intel I7-9700kf 3.6ghz
Corsair 16GB Dominator Platinum
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti
250 GB SSD, 1TB HDD

Monitor Samsung SyncMaster TA550 / 60hz, basically a television
Keyboard: Hyperx Alloy Core Mouse: HyperX Pulsefire Core RGB

While playing CSGO and others games like Call of Duty, the mouse does not move as fast as it's supposed to according to the sensitivity, it seems like its really heavy, dont know how to explain. It kinda moves slower. I dont have idea if the problem is input lag. So far, I have tried these: Reinstalling my CSGO and config, tried to change my mouse settings on windows, updated my NVIDIA drivers and my windows. I did all this and I changed my monitor that was a Samsung 632nw for this one that I've mentioned before. I did a lot of changes recently on my PC, but I'm not sure if any of this are causing this problem. I'm thinking about formatting my PC, but I'm not so sure if this is going to solve my problem, but in last case I can try.

Is this what they call input lag and does it have anything to do with my monitor? I hope it's not because that´s the only one I have, I intend on buying a 144hz, but rn I dont have enough money.

I hope you guys can help me, I having this problem for like 4 days and it's freaking my out, its literally impossible to play any FPS, Thanks

the first thing id do, is make sure increasing polling rate, or DPI doesnt resolve the issue.
make sure all windows 10 mouse options are set to off, or zero. any acceleration should be done through your mouse or its software entirely.

re-installing windows wont change mouse issues, so save yourself that step. try a different usb port, possibly in the back of your PC.

 

[Lkzz]

the first thing id do, is make sure increasing polling rate, or DPI doesnt resolve the issue.
make sure all windows 10 mouse options are set to off, or zero. any acceleration should be done through your mouse or its software entirely.

re-installing windows wont change mouse issues, so save yourself that step. try a different usb port, possibly in the back of your PC.

How can I increase the polling rate? DPI I already changed, but didn't fix the problem. Also all the options are set to off and already tried all USB port, I only use the ones in the back of the PC usually.

 

[Rowsol]

Some mice have software you can download that allow you to change the polling rate.
I remember having my g500 break and getting a new mouse and feeling the sluggish movement. Most of the time it's going to be due to the mouse and not a setting.
There are quite a few mouse reviews you can look at to judge their inherent input lag. I know rocketjumpninja is a popular one and this site has been putting out some good ones recently.

 

[Lkzz]

Some mice have software you can download that allow you to change the polling rate.
I remember having my g500 break and getting a new mouse and feeling the sluggish movement. Most of the time it's going to be due to the mouse and not a setting.
There are quite a few mouse reviews you can look at to judge their inherent input lag. I know rocketjumpninja is a popular one and this site has been putting out some good ones recently.

I already searched for "Input lag Hyperx Pulsefire Core" but didn't have any results, I can check on Hyperx NGenuity if I have the option to change the polling rate, but honestly, I dont think thats problem, cuz I've been using this mouse for more than 4 months, and the problem started a few days ago. It obviously can be something with my mouse, but I dont think it its. Anyways, I will try to do this, thanks mate

 

[joemama]

So that on happens when you are playing those games?

 

[bencrutz]

While playing CSGO and others games like Call of Duty, the mouse does not move as fast as it's supposed to according to the sensitivity, it seems like its really heavy, dont know how to explain. It kinda moves slower. I dont have idea if the problem is input lag. So far, I have tried these: Reinstalling my CSGO and config, tried to change my mouse settings on windows, updated my NVIDIA drivers and my windows. I did all this and I changed my monitor that was a Samsung 632nw for this one that I've mentioned before. I did a lot of changes recently on my PC, but I'm not sure if any of this are causing this problem. I'm thinking about formatting my PC, but I'm not so sure if this is going to solve my problem, but in last case I can try.

Is this what they call input lag and does it have anything to do with my monitor? I hope it's not because that´s the only one I have, I intend on buying a 144hz, but rn I dont have enough money.

I hope you guys can help me, I having this problem for like 4 days and it's freaking my out, its literally impossible to play any FPS, Thanks

can you try disabling vsync? i know it probably will tear a lot, but should improve the input lag of your TV

 

[Lkzz]

can you try disabling vsync? i know it probably will tear a lot, but should improve the input lag of your TV

You mean Vsync on CSGO? Its already disable

So that on happens when you are playing those games?

Yes, first started with CSGO, and then I tried to play Warzone to confirm that the problem wasn't CSGO, and I think the same problem is happenning in Warzone too

 

[bencrutz]

You mean Vsync on CSGO? Its already disable

try disabling it on the nvidia control panel - 3d settings - global - vertical sync set to OFF

 

[Lkzz]

try disabling it on the nvidia control panel - 3d settings - global - vertical sync set to OFF

Ok I will try this, if doenst solve do you have any suggestions? Cause I think that I already did this, and still doesnt fix it.

try disabling it on the nvidia control panel - 3d settings - global - vertical sync set to OFF

I didnt find the Vsync option here, can you send a printscreen?

 

[bencrutz]

I didnt find the Vsync option here, can you send a printscreen?

can't provide that, sorry, didn't have any nvidia card atm

 

[basco]

its german but you should see:
should be second last from below

 

[Lkzz]

its german but you should see:
should be second last from below

View attachment 192646

I will try that, thanks! But rn I think the maybe my problem is the monitor, in fact is not like a real problem, but the difference with both Response Time. The first one that I used to play with had a response time of 2ms, and this TA550 has 5ms, and with my config that's to high. I will try to do everything and if still doenst solve, I will have to buy a new monitor, with the lowest response time possible, probably a 144hz, but if anyone still have any suggestions, I'm hearing!

can't provide that, sorry, didn't have any nvidia card atm

No problem man, someone sent here, thanks!

 

[elghinnarisa]

When you say it moves slower, do you mean it still moves smoothly and accurately, just not as fast as you expect? So that the only issue you have is with the speed of the pointer, not the smoothness of it?

Also remember that the listed "monitor response" from manufacturers is a bit iffy to look at. Its a measurement of how long it takes for the monitor to shift from one color to another. It could still take 14 hours for it to process the inputs but once it does, it takes X ms to shift the colors. Thats why just response time on its own, its a rather meaningless number to look at for the most part. TVs generally had issues with this over the years were they had decently fast response times, but massive input latency. My old plasma tv that I have, have almost 120ms input delay.

 

[Lkzz]

When you say it moves slower, do you mean it still moves smoothly and accurately, just not as fast as you expect? So that the only issue you have is with the speed of the pointer, not the smoothness of it?

Also remember that the listed "monitor response" from manufacturers is a bit iffy to look at. Its a measurement of how long it takes for the monitor to shift from one color to another. It could still take 14 hours for it to process the inputs but once it does, it takes X ms to shift the colors. Thats why just response time on its own, its a rather meaningless number to look at for the most part. TVs generally had issues with this over the years were they had decently fast response times, but massive input latency. My old plasma tv that I have, have almost 120ms input delay.

I don´t know how to explain, I'm not so sure about the smoothness, but the fact is that I feel like it takes longer to process my mouse movements, for example I play CSGO a lot, and sometimes when I try to do a smoke, I miss the spot due to this lag, and some of then are actually very easy. And I already changed the speed pointer and my DPI and didn't solve the problem, also I think the problem started when I changed between the two monitors, I'm not sure if the problem is envolving this two, or its just bad timing that the problem began right on the time when I changed then. And like you said, this "monitor" is actually a TV, what just makes the problem even worse. But if you're saying so, what do you think it's the problem if not the response time?

 

[basco]

from the manual :
For PC connection, you must use the
HDMI IN 1(DVI) or (PC) jack


ok i found in the first german amazon review of the SyncMaster T22A550 that you should rename the source like here:

Basic Features - Samsung TA550 User Manual - Page 21 of 55

Samsung TA550 manual : Basic Features

manualsbrain.com

because he says that without it the picture quality for pc is bääh.

 

[Lkzz]

from the manual :
For PC connection, you must use the
HDMI IN 1(DVI) jack


ok i found in the first german amazon review of the SyncMaster T22A550 that you should rename the source like here:

Basic Features - Samsung TA550 User Manual - Page 21 of 55

Samsung TA550 manual : Basic Features

manualsbrain.com

because he says that without it the picture quality for pc is bääh.

Thanks man I will try this, but I think that I'm already using the HDMI IN, but anyways I cant try again. Actualy I was thinking that before I had this problem, I used to have a PC that was a I7-4790k and a GTX 1080, and I dont remember having this problem. I don´t know if the problem is the difference between the two monitors, more specifically the one with the 2ms and 5ms, or due to the upgrade that I made on my PC that made the difference bigger, because using a "High end" PC with a television it's not very recomended, or if it is something envolving the PC connection.

 

[basco]

plz report back .
more then one had this problem- some say going down in resolution to 1680x1050 helped too.

another wrote this:
The other thing, plugging into your PC through HDMI at least the picture comes out slightly blurry, there's an easy fix for it though, if not very obvious.

Hit the source button, highlight your input, press tools, select edit name, choose DVI PC. Sharpens the image up nicely, so it looks the way it should for your computer.

 

[Lkzz]

plz report back .
more then one had this problem- some say going down in resolution to 1680x1050 A

plz report back .
more then one had this problem- some say going down in resolution to 1680x1050 helped too.

another wrote this:
The other thing, plugging into your PC through HDMI at least the picture comes out slightly blurry, there's an easy fix for it though, if not very obvious.

Hit the source button, highlight your input, press tools, select edit name, choose DVI PC. Sharpens the image up nicely, so it looks the way it should for your computer.

Alright man, I will try this later, I already play on 4:3 so I think going down in resolution doesnt change much. But I will try this last thing, thank you so much! After I try I give a report here! But if any of this doens't work I will try to buy a new monitor, try to save some money and buy a 144hz and hope this solves the problem hahaha

plz report back .
more then one had this problem- some say going down in resolution to 1680x1050 helped too.

another wrote this:
The other thing, plugging into your PC through HDMI at least the picture comes out slightly blurry, there's an easy fix for it though, if not very obvious.

Hit the source button, highlight your input, press tools, select edit name, choose DVI PC. Sharpens the image up nicely, so it looks the way it should for your computer.

Even if I'm able to fix the problem with this tips, I will try to buy a new monitor, because this one is getting really old and slow, especially for the next generations. I might have been using this TA550 for more than 4 years and that's the first time that I have a problem with it.

 

[basco]

once ya get to over 120hz you will never look back !

 

[Lkzz]

once ya get to over 120hz you will never look back !

Yeah, I've never had any more than 60hz, cause I never thought would be necessary, but I think now its time to change hahaha. Also I'm sorry if I was not very clear on my previous messages, but thanks for the help! I will come back here later to give the report if it fixed the problem or I will still have to look for other solutions.

 

[bencrutz]

I don´t know how to explain, I'm not so sure about the smoothness, but the fact is that I feel like it takes longer to process my mouse movements, for example I play CSGO a lot, and sometimes when I try to do a smoke, I miss the spot due to this lag, and some of then are actually very easy. And I already changed the speed pointer and my DPI and didn't solve the problem, also I think the problem started when I changed between the two monitors, I'm not sure if the problem is envolving this two, or its just bad timing that the problem began right on the time when I changed then. And like you said, this "monitor" is actually a TV, what just makes the problem even worse. But if you're saying so, what do you think it's the problem if not the response time?

what you are describing seemed to be input lag problem, not response time. a monitor can have a decent response time spec but terrible input lag.
many TV have an awful input lag because the image had to go through scaler first, but if you know the true panel resolution and set it to that, it will reduce the input lag.

 

[Lkzz]

what you are describing seemed to be input lag problem, not response time. a monitor can have a decent response time spec but terrible input lag.
many TV have an awful input lag because the image had to go through scaler first, but if you know the true panel resolution and set it to that, it will reduce the input lag.

But don't you think that simply changing the monitor will solve the problem? Of course I will try everything that I was told here on the post, but if any of this doens't fix the problem, I dont see any solution beside acquiring a new monitor

 

[elghinnarisa]

I don´t know how to explain, I'm not so sure about the smoothness, but the fact is that I feel like it takes longer to process my mouse movements, for example I play CSGO a lot, and sometimes when I try to do a smoke, I miss the spot due to this lag, and some of then are actually very easy. And I already changed the speed pointer and my DPI and didn't solve the problem, also I think the problem started when I changed between the two monitors, I'm not sure if the problem is envolving this two, or its just bad timing that the problem began right on the time when I changed then. And like you said, this "monitor" is actually a TV, what just makes the problem even worse. But if you're saying so, what do you think it's the problem if not the response time?

It's always a bit tricky to explain things like these since a lot of it can be based on the "feel" so to say. And when it comes to delays of different kinds related to gaming, well its a pretty large amount of variables.

But for example, if you move your mouse in a slow and constant speed across your desk, does the game also rotate your character in a smooth and constant fashion?
If you move your mouse quick but constant, is it still smooth?
And if you try to perform a flick, does the flick look occur fast enough?
Could it be skipped inputs that case it to feel weird, or is it because there is a delay between you moving your mouse and it moving in your game is the point im trying to ask. Which is generally up to you to play around and feel.
Quick movements like a flick, combined with a low polling rate could cause you to flick your mouse across the room but the game not updating all those positions because it didn't poll often enough. Some mice can change polling frequency, some cant. Most modern gaming mice can though, I can toggle mine starting from 125hz up to 1000hz. With 125hz feeling... well really really bad, obviously.
there is a mouse rate checker as they call it from benq if you have no idea about what its set to yourself: https://zowie.benq.com/en/support/mouse-rate-checker.html easy and quick enough to give it a poke at least.
Is there any way you think you could document the problem? Do you think its possible to record a video with your phone or on your screen that shows it? If so, that could be helpful.
And is this lag you seem to feel only related to the mouse and not actual framerate? A dip in FPS could mess up a lot of precision shots in any game if it occurs at a inopportune moment.

 

[Lkzz]

It's always a bit tricky to explain things like these since a lot of it can be based on the "feel" so to say. And when it comes to delays of different kinds related to gaming, well its a pretty large amount of variables.

But for example, if you move your mouse in a slow and constant speed across your desk, does the game also rotate your character in a smooth and constant fashion?
If you move your mouse quick but constant, is it still smooth?
And if you try to perform a flick, does the flick look occur fast enough?
Could it be skipped inputs that case it to feel weird, or is it because there is a delay between you moving your mouse and it moving in your game is the point im trying to ask. Which is generally up to you to play around and feel.
Quick movements like a flick, combined with a low polling rate could cause you to flick your mouse across the room but the game not updating all those positions because it didn't poll often enough. Some mice can change polling frequency, some cant. Most modern gaming mice can though, I can toggle mine starting from 125hz up to 1000hz. With 125hz feeling... well really really bad, obviously.
there is a mouse rate checker as they call it from benq if you have no idea about what its set to yourself: https://zowie.benq.com/en/support/mouse-rate-checker.html easy and quick enough to give it a poke at least.
Is there any way you think you could document the problem? Do you think its possible to record a video with your phone or on your screen that shows it? If so, that could be helpful.
And is this lag you seem to feel only related to the mouse and not actual framerate? A dip in FPS could mess up a lot of precision shots in any game if it occurs at a inopportune moment.

I'll try to play and record a video, but I dont know if it is going to be be very clear to understand. And this "lag" appears to happen when I perfome faster moves, I'm not so sure if in slower moves I still have this problem. I dont really think that is something envolving the mouse, cuz like I said before, I've been using my Hyperx Pulsefire Core for more than 1 year and never had any problem with it, but I will check this polling rate. And I don't know if the problem is something related to the framerate, I'm having some problem with CSGO about fps dropping, but the same "input lag" problem happenned on Warzone, so I dont think the problem is the framerate, but anyways I will try to test on Valorant and see if the problem persists. And the last time that I played was on Sunday, so I have to play again and check about your first question about the movements and flicks, but as far as I remember it used to happen this delay with faster moves, and the slow and short ones used to feel like the mouse was somehow heavy, its really hard to explain this but it feels really bad, almost impossible to play or perfom a spray in game.