It is truly a shame we don't get useful stuff like DEBUG readouts on motherboards below extreme premium pricing.

[Deleted member 234997]

I recall some of my old motherboards.

790FX-GD70 Launched at £146.72 DEBUG is also CPU temp. Is the top end chipset option (AM3 dragon 790FX)

Foxconn x58 BloodRage GTi (Keep in mind this is a HEDT board) launched at £223.25 DEBUG is also CPU temp. Is the top end chipset option. (X58)

Now?

I managed to get one that is ok... ish in price but rare at this price.

B550 Extreme 4 launched at £190 DEBUG is DEBUG ONLY. Is the lower end chipset option. (B550)

 

[tabascosauz]

To be fair, POST code doesn't really provide much useful information on AM4/AM5, beyond that which almost all boards already provide by troubleshooting LEDs. You can thank AGESA for that.

On a personal level though, regardless of utility, I do like seeing POST codes and it makes me sad that even in the past 2 years alone, POST codes have been moving even further and further up the stack despite boards all becoming more expensive. Two years ago you had to shell out for Strix-E to have one, now it's actual ROG only.

For a while it was fun to watch the CPU temp readout on my Impact and Unify-X, but it got old real fast since whatever (socket temp?) reading it reports has almost no relationship with actual temps behaviour (which are apparently way too complex or off limits for board reporting).

As for ASRock AM4, they appeared to do a lot of PCB sharing (Extreme4 and Steel Legend, PG Velocita and Taichi(?)), so I guess a kind soul decided to leave the POST code in for the whole stack. Even if the market wasn't going this way, I wouldn't expect the same phenomenon to happen again.

 

[sneekypeet]

AFAIK you can buy aftermarket cards to fit any motherboard if post codes are needed.

 

[ir_cow]

Post codes don't really tell you much for troubleshooting, but it does help figure out what step the MB is stuck on. Looking at you AMD and those 2-3 minute post times lol.

I thought the A620 MB was testing came DOA because it just sat for literally 5 minutes. It has no LEDs or post code. Eventually it came to life.

 

[Belfaborac]

You need to get the latest BIOS then.

 

[joemama]

How many people repair their own computer? Within these people, how many people's purchase decision would be affected by the existence of a debug code?
This is why it isn't popular.

 

[ir_cow]

Within these people, how many people's purchase decision would be affected by the existence of a debug code?
This is why it isn't popular.

I personally will not buy one without either LEDs or Post Debugger. 101 of troubleshooting, what LED or code is it stuck on...

 

[Calenhad]

Top shelf motherboards of old have more features than bargain motherboards of today. Even if their price, without taking the significant inflation into account (which you should), is similar.

A better comparison would be my X570 motherboard which have more debug features than that X58 board, and costs in the same ballpark after inflation.

Let me see if I can find my surprised Pikachu somewhere.

 

[AusWolf]

If all the useful but cheap to implement features were available on affordable boards, then who would pay a grand for a piece of PCB?

I get your point, though, it's sad.