Jonnyguru.com may be permanently dead

[looniam]

you apparently don't watch his videos then, because in last few months he mentioned a couple times he has invested heavily in making a new PSU testing space. i don't know if its up and running or not yet. but I do remember him mentioning it, I think he even hired a new guy for it, but not sure on that one.

yes i do watch his videos and he is also working on some air flow box for fan reviews; however neither of which still doesn't get a PSU review. there are other reputable sites doing reviews now and in the recent past ie here on TPU, anandtech (albeit brief) and computer base to name a few.

pretty sure that's on point in this thread.

 

[trparky]

Steve did mention something about getting power supply testing up and running (he already has the hardware to do so) but recently he mentioned that he needs space. Apparently, office space that he has is, however big it is, isn't big enough for all of the projects that he has going and/or has planned for the future. Extensive power supply testing is one such project that he wants to do but he's said that he needs space to do so.

 

[dirtyferret]

The first reason you present is an outright logical fallacy. Inexperience does in no way render one incapable of telling if something is flawed or not.

Because their reasoning was not flawed and he showed no proof it. He simply declared it flawed and him the expert to fix it. It would be the equivalent me stating your PC is flawed and I will spec out a better PC for you to build due to me having read this book.

 

[Valantar]

the topic here is not some investigative journalism hub bub. when it comes to PSUs, tech jesus is far from the only capable reviewer.

but keep liting candles in your shrine, i understand

sure, whatever anyone wants to watch is perfectly fine. and GN has some very educational and entertaining videos. but when it comes PSU reviews, then you have to consider GN has done zero of those.

ya know pointing that out doesn't mean i'm trying to throw any shade.

yes i do watch his videos and he is also working on some air flow box for fan reviews; however neither of which still doesn't get a PSU review. there are other reputable sites doing reviews now and in the recent past ie here on TPU, anandtech (albeit brief) and computer base to name a few.

pretty sure that's on point in this thread.

But that's exactly the point. More good PSU reviews = better. And it's hardly fair to criticise GN for being inexperienced when they haven't published a single PSU review, but are instead taking the time to ensure their methodology, equipment and knowledge of the field is up to par - isn't that exactly what we'd want them to do? I don't quite see how else anyone would ever be able to do a proper review, unless they started with insufficient knowledge and poor equipment and methods and built from there - but we don't want that, do we? Nobody here has said that GN is an authority on PSU reviews. We've said we're happy they're coming into this field, as JG's death has left a vacuum even if there are still other good reviews to be found. GN has the resources to potentially take over such a role - provided they manage to make good reviews in the first place, of course. Only time will tell with that.

Also btw, if as you say in that second quote you're not trying to throw any shade, maybe refrain from saying stuff like the last sentence in the first quote? 'Cause that sure looks like you're trying to do exactly that.

Because their reasoning was not flawed and he showed no proof it. He simply declared it flawed and him the expert to fix it. It would be the equivalent me stating your PC is flawed and I will spec out a better PC for you to build due to me having read this book.

Sorry, but this is way too vague to engage with. It sounds extremely out of character IMO, but without a video link I have no way of knowing anything at all. As such I'll stick to trusting my own experience with GN, which is that they generally argue their points (and especially critiques) well and in detail, if a tad hyperbolically at times.

 

[Space Lynx]

But that's exactly the point. More good PSU reviews = better. And it's hardly fair to criticise GN for being inexperienced when they haven't published a single PSU review, but are instead taking the time to ensure their methodology, equipment and knowledge of the field is up to par - isn't that exactly what we'd want them to do? I don't quite see how else anyone would ever be able to do a proper review, unless they started with insufficient knowledge and poor equipment and methods and built from there - but we don't want that, do we? Nobody here has said that GN is an authority on PSU reviews. We've said we're happy they're coming into this field, as JG's death has left a vacuum even if there are still other good reviews to be found. GN has the resources to potentially take over such a role - provided they manage to make good reviews in the first place, of course. Only time will tell with that.

Also btw, if as you say in that second quote you're not trying to throw any shade, maybe refrain from saying stuff like the last sentence in the first quote? 'Cause that sure looks like you're trying to do exactly that.


Sorry, but this is way too vague to engage with. It sounds extremely out of character IMO, but without a video link I have no way of knowing anything at all. As such I'll stick to trusting my own experience with GN, which is that they generally argue their points (and especially critiques) well and in detail, if a tad hyperbolically at times.

also keep in mind, that when GN commits to something they go ALL OUT, way more thorough and in-depth than ANYONE else. only proof I need is their fan testing setup, insanely impressive. also honorable mentions: the way he tests hotspots with creative engineering sometimes, and testing of CPU's, lot of specialized equipment no one else has to my knowledge.

also GN had Jonny from jonnyguru on his show years ago to talk about PSU's, that was a cool episode to watch.

 

[looniam]

And it's hardly fair to criticise GN for being inexperienced when they haven't published a single PSU review, but are instead taking the time to ensure their methodology, equipment and knowledge of the field is up to par - isn't that exactly what we'd want them to do?

ah yes it is fair when the topic is psu reviews.

and GN's plan isn't the only one, several sites hired more than qualified freelancers that have their own equipment already. such as maris here on TPU, anandtech's e. fylladitakis or pcper's lee garret to name a few.

Also btw, if as you say in that second quote you're not trying to throw any shade, maybe refrain from saying stuff like the last sentence in the first quote? 'Cause that sure looks like you're trying to do exactly that.

i suggest you look again. referring to venerating a personality is different that a YT channel.

 

[Space Lynx]

ah yes it is fair when the topic is psu reviews.

and GN's plan isn't the only one, several sites hired more than qualified freelancers that have their own equipment already. such as maris here on TPU, anandtech's e. fylladitakis or pcper's lee garret to name a few.


i suggest you look again. referring to venerating a personality is different that a YT channel.

what's wrong with venerating someone who keeps the industry honest? I respect him for that. he has done it with several companies over several years. the NZXT radiator issue one was recently with the fire hazard or w.e it was. no one else did that, he was the first. he does it all the time.

those are the kind of people you need to keep the industry honest. that's the whole point. also awesome that Linus backs him up and gives his findings a bigger voice when they are important.

 

[looniam]

what's wrong with venerating someone who keeps the industry honest? I respect him for that. he has done it with several companies over several years. the NZXT radiator issue one was recently with the fire hazard or w.e it was. no one else did that, he was the first. he does it all the time.

those are the kind of people you need to keep the industry honest. that's the whole point. also awesome that Linus backs him up and gives his findings a bigger voice when they are important.

appreciating, maybe even admiring, sure. and i'll point out that many of the types of things you say steve does now was what kyle bennet did prior and someone else before him. its all really nothing new.

however when it comes to venerating any person, past or present, that would be a solid NO.

good luck with that.

 

[Space Lynx]

appreciating, maybe even admiring, sure. and i'll point out that many of the types of things you say steve does now was what kyle bennet did prior and someone else before him. its all really nothing new.

however when it comes to venerating any person, past or present, that would be a solid NO.

good luck with that.

venerating is similar to appreciate as me, so i guess it comes down to our difference of definition. language is organic and constantly changes over the years. meh.

 

[Athlonite]

I did burn out. Still can't write anything, and I've been out of the review business since late 2018. I don't regret doing it for so long, really, but after 11 years of it not even coming close to leaving the four figure yearly income bracket doing it I just had to stop. My income had actually been going down in the 2-3 years prior because excessive shipping rates killed my chances of reselling the review units. Even so, the challenge of trying to find new ways to write the same stuff over and over like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill did keep me going for a little while.

Currently trying to put together a Youtube channel. Nothing on it yet... it'll be photography most of the time, electronics projects in the off season (I don't do a lot of camera stuff in winter). No power supplies. I've still got all the load testing gear but no desire to ever use it again.

Good luck with your new adventure sometimes you just need to do the complete opposite to revitalise the mind, body and soul so I do really wish you all the best I'll sorely miss the review articles they taught me alot over the years and it's sad to see it come to an end but like the saying goes all things must end eventually and you can only do so much before it starts taking a toll on the physical and mental wellbeing

 

[Valantar]

ah yes it is fair when the topic is psu reviews.

and GN's plan isn't the only one, several sites hired more than qualified freelancers that have their own equipment already. such as maris here on TPU, anandtech's e. fylladitakis or pcper's lee garret to name a few.


i suggest you look again. referring to venerating a personality is different that a YT channel.

... Did you read what I wrote at all? I never said they were the only one, so please stop putting words in my mouth. I said it's good that there will be another source for quality reviews, and one with the equipment and know-how to do it well. I specifically pointed out that there are others. Given the volume of reviews done by some of those (AT in particular), which must be in the low single digits a year, wouldn't you say that another outlet (and one with the resources to do this at scale) is a good addition?

But again: how can you criticize them for inexperience when their approach is, specifically, to not publish anything until they have ensured that their equipment and methodology are up to par? Do you have any factual basis for their actual practices being worthy of critique? Have they published anything to make it seem like they don't know what they are doing? Because if not, what you are doing here is making a bad-faith, uncounterable quasi-argument, and not bringing anything of value to the discussion here. I'll gladly be the first to say so if their PSU reviews are crap. But do far, we have no reason to suspect that, and dismissing them before the fact like you're doing is... kind of weird.

Also, it doesn't matter whatsoever what you were referring to. Telling people to "keep lighting candles in your shrine" is throwing shade no matter what you're trying to say beyond that. So please get off your high horse.

 

[maxfly]

Ill be happy to see someone doing top to bottom line up reviews for the big dogs again. Its become more and more of a pita to track down who the oems are for the big companies. To the point that there is more misinformation floating around than ever regarding who builds what. It was so refreshing to simply go to JG and find the psu you wanted to research. Right there was all the information you could want. Now were back to google. Happy happy joy joy.

 

[looniam]

... Did you read what I wrote at all? I never said they were the only one, so please stop putting words in my mouth. I said it's good that there will be another source for quality reviews, and one with the equipment and know-how to do it well. I specifically pointed out that there are others. Given the volume of reviews done by some of those (AT in particular), which must be in the low single digits a year, wouldn't you say that another outlet (and one with the resources to do this at scale) is a good addition?

dude you missed the boat. do i really need to break down?

and GN's plan isn't the only one

what part of PLAN means review site?
nothing. so now maybe it makes sense how i recommend other sites because i'm not saying what you think i am. all the critisms you believe i have given are figents of your imagination.

no words you type will magically change that.

and in the future just for you to know, i really don't care about your opinion of me. nor have i before or now or in the future every care to hear your opinion about anything.

have a good day

 

[Valantar]

dude you missed the boat. do i really need to break down?

what part of PLAN means review site?
nothing. so now maybe it makes sense how i recommend other sites because i'm not saying what you think i am. all the critisms you believe i have given are figents of your imagination.

no words you type will magically change that.

and in the future just for you to know, i really don't care about your opinion of me. nor have i before or now or in the future every care to hear your opinion about anything.

have a good day

What? Sorry man, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Have I claimed or argued towards you caring about what I think of you? I said you're contradicting yourself and arguing against self-made straw men. Those aren't opinions, those are facts. You said you weren't interested in throwing shade literally one post after ridiculing people who think GN makes quality reviews. That's the contradiction. The straw man is that you're pretending that people here are arguing that GN is an authority in PSU testing. They don't do PSU testing yet, so it's rather obvious that they aren't. But if their current review standards and thoroughness is anything to go by, as well as their own descriptions of their road towards starting PSU testing, then there's reason to belive they'll be good. That's all. Going by their overall attention to detail, focus on accurate testing, and detailed presentation, there's reason to believe they'll be good. That might of course be wrong - heck, they might be terrible for all we know! - but if so that would be quite unusual for GN.

On the other hand, you're talking as if people have said that there are no good PSU reviews these days, or that GN will by default be the best once they get going. I haven't seen anyone arguing either of those points. I have never said there's anything wrong with recommending other sites either - as I said before, the more the better.

It's also perfectly fine if you don't like their style or disagree with their analyses, but for that to result in expecting their PSU reviews to be crap (which would necessarily mean bad on a technical level and not just presentation) would be quite unreasonable.

 

[xrror]

I did burn out.

I know I'm late to reply, but just wanted to say Thank You for all the years of awesome PSU teardowns and reviews. I always worried that it was probably a thankless job, but know that there were surly many many lurkers like myself that super appreciated the thoroughness and explanations of your methods and teardowns. Never doubt if your work "made a difference" or "mattered" because I know for me at least, your writings totally "ripped through the veil" so to speak on PSU's and made a profound impact for older PC hardware peeps like myself.

I also super enjoyed your side projects like "can we make this Bestec mobo killer an actual decent PSU?" (kinda, but you essentially built your own secondary side) or "Lets recap this craptastic PSU with Rubiconn low ESD caps" and it surprisingly showed the original capxon (i think?) caps were better for being "soft" and better at smoothing - which was a revelation at the time. They just really didn't like heat.

Sorry to ramble on, it's just that I miss those days / super appreciate that you probably did all that work and wrote those articles thinking that yea, hardly anyone would care enough to read your results. Well darnit I did, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one.

That said, best of luck to persuing what you want to do in the future! You deserve it =D

Alright enough fan gushing from me lol.

 

[sepheronx]

They havent have done a dedicated PSU review yet but they have done multiple review of computer builds (you know, crappy pre-builds?) where they actually have gone through testing the PSU through stress tests. There is a guy with them that does a thorough breakdown of the PSU's and its quite interesting. Recent one I saw was about the Dell Pre-build with the GTX 1660S.

 

[Anoniem]

I too really look forward to the GN PSU testing and seeing how they evolve in that space. They're tenacious, listen to fair criticism and overall are willing to learn. Steve went from an EX OC rookie to actually posting some cool scores, that takes effort! They're not afraid to take some risks when calling out companies, which helps us in turn get better (less flawed) products. Are the videos long? Yes. Could it have been more condensed? Perhaps. Overall they've made some effort in the last year to make their videos more entertaining Back to you Steve, thank you Steve hahaha.

And yeah, losing jonnyguru was a hit in the gut but after reading why I totally get it. Best of luck to you @Oklahoma Wolf & Jonny and thank you for your work, it has helped many people.