Just a rant about AMD and their so-called "foolproofness"

[Toothless]

Ok that could be the issue. You should set the Max FPS in CP2077 to 144. You are confusing the card and the monitor by having different settings. Some Games are worse than others in this regard. BTW with Freesync on Vsync can cause issues as well.

We.. already found that OP has messed up files and I never had vsync/freesync issues in any games.

 

[thesmokingman]

Tell me you know nothing about cars without saying you know nothing about cars. Said stall, not pre-detonation.

Don't be a douche. I'm actually in the middle of swapping to Augtronic EM. And detonate or stall, shit you screw up the boost, and boom. The point is it's called a graceful recovery, so you don't get stuck in a boot loop, and a whole host of other issues. Post below is why a graceful recovery is better than what it used to do which is stay in whatever clock that got it to the lock up. And apparently this is all user error??

i MISS the days when people doing this stuff just didn't blue screen and have to hard reset or gasp have to completely power down and unplug for 15 minutes and knock on wood, hope and pray their 'putter survived and was alright, way back then i didn't have to listen to see threads like this drivel rant about how the world doesn't conform to their thinking about how easy things are now and how ignorant they are of not using developer tools and software and a supply of hardware for when they DID fry something hardware wise while DEBUGGING UNSTABLE CODE. you should consult with some ex ̶E̶V̶G̶A̶ BFG engineers how best to go about this, not that amd is their forte', just that some edJUDGEmeh'cation is needed about what tools developers use.
^5 to AMD for protecting Froobs from burning down the world.
the altclocking profile savings on hardware from the vendors has been a nice addition over the decades and also extremely simple for even the most novice of users to operate.
personally it's a nice change from having to do this every P.O.S.T.

 

[Macro Device]

OP has messed up files

Which is the reason why I get crashes now but not the reason why I had crashes before. Fully valid CP2077 build also crashed if I had CET and vsync enabled.

 

[xrobwx71]

You are complaining about something that's actually working as it should.

This only triggers if something goes wrong on the graphics driver side, a game that's just crashing because of a mod should not trigger this, I've never seen it do, every time it happened it was because of unstable OC which is also fine, it's the most obvious way to inform the user something is not right while keeping the system usable after a crash.

No, the OP is simply asking for the ability to turn the function off, the complaining is about being ignored.

 

[Toothless]

Which is the reason why I get crashes now but not the reason why I had crashes before. Fully valid CP2077 build also crashed if I had CET and vsync enabled.

Well when update comes out I'll be testing it out for ya. Just need details at that time.

Can also test on my bench but.. 5950x/6950XT compared to a 3900x/6800 won't really change much.

 

[Macro Device]

Can also test on my bench but.. 5950x/6950XT compared to a 3900x/6800 won't really change much.

I think you really need to find a FreesyncLESS monitor and test with it. This is the only substantial difference between our builds I see so far.

 

[Toothless]

I think you really need to find a FreesyncLESS monitor and test with it. This is the only substantial difference between our builds I see so far.

I can turn off freesync and all that, however the game is running at a capped 72fps between vsync and max frames settings.

Also bench uses a very generic 1080/60 screen so no variable refresh at all.

 

[Vya Domus]

No, the OP is simply asking for the ability to turn the function off, the complaining is about being ignored.

If AMD adds this then they'll get pissed off users who complain that their systems now freeze/crash whereas before it would just restart the driver and go back to default settings. I don't understand what's so bad about reverting back the settings, if you don't do that and the driver restarts it's possible to just get stuck in an endless loop of crashes rendering the system unusable.

They probably wont ever add this, use some common sense, as far as I know there is no such thing on Nvidia side either.

 

[Macro Device]

If AMD adds this then they'll get pissed off users

They won't. The point is they can make it a multiple confirmation button which warns users that their warranty will be void and no complaints about this particular GPU are accepted. I already lost warranty on my GPU so I don't mind losing it once again.

I decided on hacking the driver anyway. They can play chicken all they want, I will play Bogart.

 

[Toothless]

They won't. The point is they can make it a multiple confirmation button which warns users that their warranty will be void and no complaints about this particular GPU are accepted. I already lost warranty on my GPU so I don't mind losing it once again.

I decided on hacking the driver anyway. They can play chicken all they want, I will play Bogart.

...yeah? This also applies to their GPUs.

 

[AusWolf]

They won't. The point is they can make it a multiple confirmation button which warns users that their warranty will be void and no complaints about this particular GPU are accepted.

Nobody reads the EULA. Ever. Sure, it's on the user in the end, but that doesn't prevent anybody from getting pissed off and not buying AMD again.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Inconvenient as that one may be, it's really a minor one, at least it means that the fail-safes are working as intended. My grievances are of a relatively different nature... most of which I'm not really at liberty to discuss, you understand.

It is not minor. It is incredibly frustrating and constantly bothers me.
I play a lot of unstable and heavily modded games, which regularly crash due to bugs. I don't care that the games crash, I don't mind restarting them.
What I do care about is that every time a game crashes, it also resets my GPU tuning, which I have set to values that I know are stable. It's extremely frustrating to have to go into adrenalin and manually reload my profile EVERY SINGLE TIME a game crashes, rather than just being able to reopen my game and keep playing with the GPU settings I want to use.

You are complaining about something that's actually working as it should.

This only triggers if something goes wrong on the graphics driver side, a game that's just crashing because of a mod should not trigger this, I've never seen it do, every time it happened it was because of unstable OC which is also fine, it's the most obvious way to inform the user something is not right while keeping the system usable after a crash.

No it isn't, and no it doesn't, at least not on my computer. My driver settings are consistently reset to default whenever any game crashes, for any reason. It's news to me that what you've described is how it's apparently how it's supposed to work. If that is the intended behaviour, then what could be wrong with my drivers or computer that is causing it to work differently? I have switched graphics cards, run DDU, and reinstalled my drivers, and yet my performance tuning settings still reset on every game crash.

I'm bumping this thread to ask whether anyone's found any better solution in the couple of years since. Should I just switch to using Afterburner to set my GPU profile instead of Adrenalin?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I'm bumping this thread to ask whether anyone's found any better solution in the couple of years since. Should I just switch to using Afterburner to set my GPU profile instead of Adrenalin?

Yes. I use this method for benchmarking the cards. But if the driver crashes, it won't recover and usually needs the PC restarted. Of course if I OC too hard.

GL

 

[Dr. Dro]

It is not minor. It is incredibly frustrating and constantly bothers me.
I play a lot of unstable and heavily modded games, which regularly crash due to bugs. I don't care that the games crash, I don't mind restarting them.
What I do care about is that every time a game crashes, it also resets my GPU tuning, which I have set to values that I know are stable. It's extremely frustrating to have to go into adrenalin and manually reload my profile EVERY SINGLE TIME a game crashes, rather than just being able to reopen my game and keep playing with the GPU settings I want to use.

The more appropriate question here is "why exactly are your games crashing"; games are abstract, user mode software and the driver simply could not care less if your game crashed because of your mods being potentially buggy and crashing the game engine - at that point the executable is no longer sending commands in, after all.

If your settings are being reset when you experience a crash, that is because the graphics driver itself crashed and brought down the game with it.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

What I do care about is that every time a game crashes, it also resets my GPU tuning

Adrenalin will also delete your fan settings, if it detects Windows wasn't shut down properly. I think Adrenalin checks for the status of a Windows shut down or reboot.
Possibly by monitoring the event log. I think the same, if you get a driver-timeout, the meme of GPU core OC being unstable.

The only problem I have with Adrenalin as of very-recently, is that it takes a super long time, before it loads the control panel! I notice this on every reboot! It seems to have gotten worse with the last 2024 release.

I usually have no problems tuning with Adrenalin.

With IGS, OTOH, there's a bug that can cause Arc A770 OC to randomly go to 3 GHz, which of course, will cause a crash or an error. The symptom of that: The classic one, is that Cyberpunk 2077 randomly flatlines during benchmark-mode.

 

[Vya Domus]

No it isn't, and no it doesn't, at least not on my computer. My driver settings are consistently reset to default whenever any game crashes, for any reason. It's news to me that what you've described is how it's apparently how it's supposed to work. If that is the intended behaviour, then what could be wrong with my drivers or computer that is causing it to work differently

Why would a crash ALWAYS trigger a rollback to default settings when it can crash for non graphics related reasons ? Use your head.

 

[Toothless]

Why would a crash ALWAYS trigger a rollback to default settings when it can crash for non graphics related reasons ? Use your head.

Could be a safety feature. It doesn't know why there was a crash so it just goes back to stock anyway.

 

[Ruru]

The only problem I've had with 6700 XT is that it doesn't always load the OC settings when I start the PC. Though loading the profile takes only few seconds, but it's still annoying.

 

[mb194dc]

It is not minor. It is incredibly frustrating and constantly bothers me.
I play a lot of unstable and heavily modded games, which regularly crash due to bugs. I don't care that the games crash, I don't mind restarting them.
What I do care about is that every time a game crashes, it also resets my GPU tuning, which I have set to values that I know are stable. It's extremely frustrating to have to go into adrenalin and manually reload my profile EVERY SINGLE TIME a game crashes, rather than just being able to reopen my game and keep playing with the GPU settings I want to use.

No it isn't, and no it doesn't, at least not on my computer. My driver settings are consistently reset to default whenever any game crashes, for any reason. It's news to me that what you've described is how it's apparently how it's supposed to work. If that is the intended behaviour, then what could be wrong with my drivers or computer that is causing it to work differently? I have switched graphics cards, run DDU, and reinstalled my drivers, and yet my performance tuning settings still reset on every game crash.

I'm bumping this thread to ask whether anyone's found any better solution in the couple of years since. Should I just switch to using Afterburner to set my GPU profile instead of Adrenalin?

Just get more power tools and write your OC in to the second card bios with custom power play tables. Presuming you're on amd card version that can do that.

I've done this on my unlocked 5600xt, you can then install driver only and not bother with adrenaline at all.

You could also look at third party software options along with driver only install as well.

Probably a better solution.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Just get more power tools and write your OC in to the second card bios with custom power play tables. Presuming you're on amd card version that can do that.

I've done this on my unlocked 5600xt, you can then install driver only and not bother with adrenaline at all.

You could also look at third party software options along with driver only install as well.

Probably a better solution.

MPT may not work after AMD driver 23.3.1, 6000 series cards and older.

 

[Vya Domus]

It doesn't know why there was a crash

Of course it does, the driver can detect if anything goes wrong on the GPU side. There is no reason why a buffer overflow in system memory for example would trigger a GPU driver crash, it makes no sense, it doesn't work like that, it never has.

 

[Speedyblupi]

If your settings are being reset when you experience a crash, that is because the graphics driver itself crashed and brought down the game with it.

I know that it is the game causing the problem, because the overwhelming majority of games I play are unmodified and never crash, and the crashes typically happen when I change graphics settings in modded games (random example: Civ V Vox Populi - that's what I've been playing recently, and I've found graphics settings that work and look ok, but finding the good game settings was extremely frustrating because of having to constantly reapply my Radeon settings). Presumably the game/mod's graphics are doing something that is causing the driver to crash whenever settings are changed. It's not the driver crashing and bringing the game down; it's the other way around.

But I don't personally care what the explanation of why the crashes happen is, or what the justification for the automatic resetting behaviour is, or whether anyone thinks that what I want to do is dangerous or stupid. I just want a solution so that my undervolt and fan settings NEVER EVER reset on the event of a crash, regardless of what the crash is caused by. Whether the fix is by changing how my GPU settings or applied, or by fixing whatever is causing the crashes, I don't mind.

Anyway, I've reinstalled my drivers from scratch again, and I'm going to try some new investigations to see if my problem persists.

 

[AusWolf]

I know that it is the game causing the problem, because the overwhelming majority of games I play are unmodified and never crash, and the crashes typically happen when I change graphics settings in modded games (random example: Civ V Vox Populi - that's what I've been playing recently, and I've found graphics settings that work and look ok, but finding the good game settings was extremely frustrating because of having to constantly reapply my Radeon settings). Presumably the game/mod's graphics are doing something that is causing the driver to crash whenever settings are changed. It's not the driver crashing and bringing the game down; it's the other way around.

But I don't personally care what the explanation of why the crashes happen is, or what the justification for the automatic resetting behaviour is, or whether anyone thinks that what I want to do is dangerous or stupid. I just want a solution so that my undervolt and fan settings NEVER EVER reset on the event of a crash, regardless of what the crash is caused by. Whether the fix is by changing how my GPU settings or applied, or by fixing whatever is causing the crashes, I don't mind.

Anyway, I've reinstalled my drivers from scratch again, and I'm going to try some new investigations to see if my problem persists.

Does it crash at stock?

 

[Speedyblupi]

Does it crash at stock?

It was previously crashing regardless of whether my custom settings (which were only a minor undervolt and change to the fan curve) were applied or not.

But after running DDU and reinstalling my drivers, they are no longer crashing when changing graphics settings in Civ V; again, regardless of whether I use my old tuning settings, and it's even stable with a much more aggressive undervolt than before. So I'm certain that it wasn't my profile that caused the problem, but I guess it was BOTH the driver and the game/mod that were part of the cause, in some weird bugged interaction when changing resolution or other graphics settings?

But still, in the event that the crashes start again, or if other games crash, I would prefer to not to have to reapply my Radeon settings every time.

 

[AusWolf]

It was previously crashing regardless of whether my custom settings (which were only a minor undervolt and change to the fan curve) were applied or not.

But after running DDU and reinstalling my drivers, they are no longer crashing when changing graphics settings in Civ V; again, regardless of whether I use my old tuning settings, and it's even stable with a much more aggressive undervolt than before. So I'm certain that it wasn't my profile that caused the problem, but I guess it was BOTH the driver and the game/mod that were part of the cause, in some weird bugged interaction when changing resolution or other graphics settings?

But still, in the event that the crashes start again, or if other games crash, I would prefer to not to have to reapply my Radeon settings every time.

Or maybe it was an incorrectly installed driver (stuff could have remained from a previous version, messing up how things work).

I'm glad you got it sorted.