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Isnt the take away that a search engine will not make you any smarter? Information IS NOT knowledge.
Thats also why AI generated search wont ever go places. Its a self defeating exercise. If nobody applies knowledge you can refine search all you want, but on what basis? Most common denominator? Oldest person writing it down? Whatever we feed it?
Garbage in, garbage out. Look at mishaps in business and government lately. Like Boeing. A lot of people dont even know how to help themselves. Knowledge is outsourced, new talent has Googled its information to a degree.
A lot of people stopped learning skills - they learned how to play the system, the algorithm of how things work and then 'disrupt' something to make money. Nobody is any wiser for it. I rank Kagi in that same category I think.
The issue is that in practice, I don't need search when I already know a thing.
I use search because I don't know a thing . I can test search-quality on knowledge I already have, but I can't test search-quality on knowledge I don't have (aka: the actual use of these tools).
Still using it myself, pretty happy. I've got it on one of the browsers on my phone now, my laptop, and my desktop. I don't miss Google or other search engines, but I do notice the baked in adverts when I accidentally or am forced to use them (Opera, can you allow custom search engine defaults instead of just the Google/Bing/Wiki etc on phone).
Looks like the service is pretty successful, apparently they are now profitable, and have had additional investment.
Of course, 25000 users is something many people would laugh at, but they're paidusers, and the growth seems to be steady. Seems most of the clientele are somewhat IT focused or can comfortably afford a small subscription for something as used as a search engine. Something I realised is that the 300 searches from the $5 a month plan go quickly, it's interesting how much you do a search without realising. So I'm happily using the $10/month unlimited.
I quite like having GPT 4.5 access included in the subscription if I want it, the summarizer is quite good. Although I generally don't rely on AI and steer away from using it most of the time, having access to the paid version of GPT if I want to use it is nice.
Two years ago, on June 1st, 2022, Kagi introduced ( https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-orion-public-beta ) a search engine that challenged the ad-supported version of the web.
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I guess I wouldn't be so comfortable adding another subscription/recurrent fee to my life if I hadn't already pruned away something like 80% of the direct debits/rolling contracts etc. I had at one point. But quite happy to pay for the remaining 20% since they improve my quality of life a fair bit.
I'm learning to use the lenses more, and being able to prioritize or ban certain domains from the results is actually incredibly nice, never seeing a pinterest post or whatever again .
I'm also quite appreciative of how open the development is, with changelogs and credits to users/developers.
I signed up for an account a little while ago and used up my free 100 searches, and liked the service. I was close to subscribing but then I did some research (as I will with anything I pay for) and found that at one point in time they partnered with Brave to use their search results. I don't know if they still use them today, or not, but it doesn't matter. Just the fact they were willing to partner with that horrific company at all is enough.
I won't ever touch Kagi ever again. What a disappointment.
I signed up for an account a little while ago and used up my free 100 searches, and liked the service. I was close to subscribing but then I did some research (as I will with anything I pay for) and found that at one point in time they partnered with Brave to use their search results. I don't know if they still use them today, or not, but it doesn't matter. Just the fact they were willing to partner with that horrific company at all is enough.
I won't ever touch Kagi ever again. What a disappointment.
Merely asking here as i'm probably out of the loop but what did Brave do? I've been using their browser for a few years now and haven't touched any other browser since as it's served me pretty well so i'm just curious.
And I'm definitely signing up for Kagi after the free searches are over as it's so much better than google. For me, google has gone downhill pretty fast the past couple of years.
Going to step in here and say discussing the above isn't part of TPU's glamour bag. Do your own research (it's easy enough), form your own opinions. But we're not doing that discussion here.
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