Legality of TPU Hosting DLSS DLLs

[Soul_]

It's literally probably defined in the "definitions" section of any game eula you look at...

It is not there. Again you are assuming.

Agreeing to nVidia's license requires including their language in the application.

Again you are assuming. If it is not there, it is not there.

 

[OneMoar]

asking for legal advise from a forum ....
if you need to question the legality of something then its probly not legal

 

[Aquinus]

It's literally probably defined in the "definitions" section of any game eula you look at... Try reading a dlss game eula.

EA's user agreement: https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/

2. License​

The EA Services are licensed to you, not sold. EA grants you a personal, limited, non-transferable, revocable and non-exclusive license to use the EA Services to which you have access for your non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with this Agreement. You may not access, copy, modify or distribute any EA Service, Content or Entitlements (as those terms are defined below), unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. You may not reverse engineer or attempt to extract or otherwise use source code or other data from EA Services, unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. EA or its licensors own and reserve all other rights, including all right, title and interest in the EA Services and associated intellectual property rights.

 

[Soul_]

EA's user agreement: https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/

This is EA services license. Not game EULA. LOL!!! really grasping at straws aren't you?

 

[R-T-B]

EA's user agreement: https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/

Likewise, a DLSS games agreement, No Mans Sky:

No Man's Sky EULA

store.steampowered.com

Note:

4. WHAT YOU CANNOT DO

4.2.2 in whole or in part reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, adapt, merge, translate, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on or of the Game, except where applicable law provides otherwise in which case the product and all end results of such acts shall belong to, vest in and be the exclusive property of Hello on creation;
4.2.3 remove, disable or circumvent any proprietary notices, labels or copy protection software contained on or within the Game;

4.2.6 separate or use component parts of the Game

 

[Aquinus]

This is EA services license. Not game EULA. LOL!!! really grasping at straws aren't you?

You know, I've provided plenty of proof. All your saying is that I'm wrong. Screw off unless you have a real point to make with material to back it up.

 

[R-T-B]

This is EA services license. Not game EULA. LOL!!! really grasping at straws aren't you?

Not really.

You know, I've provided plenty of proof. All your saying is that I'm wrong. Screw off unless you have a real point to make.

I agree. At least one user here has no interest in listening.

 

[Soul_]

Likewise, a DLSS games agreement, No Mans Sky:

No Man's Sky EULA

store.steampowered.com

Note:

This I agree with. Good find.

 

[looniam]

That may be part of your misunderstanding.

Legally they are not.

legally or not the agreements and EULAs will have entirely different language for each.

 

[Soul_]

Not really.

Why not? EA service EULA is for EA hosted services, not games. Good and services are two different entities, and unless explicitly specified they are governed differently.

You know, I've provided plenty of proof. All your saying is that I'm wrong. Screw off unless you have a real point to make with material to back it up.

No you haven't, not even provided a single irrefutable proof.

 

[Aquinus]

Why not? EA service EULA is for EA hosted services, not games.


No you haven't, not even a single irrefutable proof from you.

That's because the language is generic to cover anything within the application. Jeez you're dense. Also that license covers products and services, not just services. Learn to read, man.

 

[R-T-B]

Why not? EA service EULA is for EA hosted services, not games.

Look at my post.

legally or not the agreements and EULAs will have entirely different language for each.

and I just showed one example showing we are correct on at least one DLSS game.

I'm not going to do them all. I would suggest the opposition provide something, because right now your team is not winning this debate.

 

[Soul_]

That's because the language is generic to cover anything within the application. Jeez you're dense. Also that license covers products and services, not just services. Learn to read, man.

Good and services are two different entities, and unless explicitly specified they are governed differently. And calling me dense? And you don't even understand the different between goods and services?

 

[OneMoar]

my 3.14159265359 cents
no take it down you are walking into a minefield and its not worth the trouble

 

[Aquinus]

I'm not going to do them all. I would suggest the opposition provide something, because right now your team is not winning this debate.

...and for all the people giving me shit for emailing nVidia:

You agree to notify NVIDIA in writing of any known or suspected distribution or use of the SDK not in compliance with the requirements of this license, and to enforce the terms of your agreements with respect to the distributed portions of the SDK.

 

[R-T-B]

Good and services are two different entities, and unless explicitly specified they are governed differently.

First two sentences:

Welcome to EA. This Agreement governs your access and use of products, content and services...

 

[Soul_]

...and for all the people giving me shit for emailing nVidia:

You did what?

 

[R-T-B]

You did what?

He's legally required to if he uses the library as a dev, so yeah.

 

[Soul_]

First two sentences:

Correct, but the license part "he" cited is specifically for services:

2. License​

The EA Services are licensed to you, not sold. EA grants you a personal, limited, non-transferable, revocable and non-exclusive license to use the EA Services to which you have access for your non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with this Agreement. You may not access, copy, modify or distribute any EA Service, Content or Entitlements (as those terms are defined below), unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. You may not reverse engineer or attempt to extract or otherwise use source code or other data from EA Services, unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. EA or its licensors own and reserve all other rights, including all right, title and interest in the EA Services and associated intellectual property rights.

 

[Aquinus]

Correct, but the license part "he" cited is specifically for services:

2. License​

The EA Services are licensed to you, not sold. EA grants you a personal, limited, non-transferable, revocable and non-exclusive license to use the EA Services to which you have access for your non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with this Agreement. You may not access, copy, modify or distribute any EA Service, Content or Entitlements (as those terms are defined below), unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. You may not reverse engineer or attempt to extract or otherwise use source code or other data from EA Services, unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. EA or its licensors own and reserve all other rights, including all right, title and interest in the EA Services and associated intellectual property rights.

That's because everything is a service when you don't own the product.

 

[R-T-B]

Correct, but the license part "he" cited is specifically for services:

2. License​

The EA Services are licensed to you, not sold. EA grants you a personal, limited, non-transferable, revocable and non-exclusive license to use the EA Services to which you have access for your non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with this Agreement. You may not access, copy, modify or distribute any EA Service, Content or Entitlements (as those terms are defined below), unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. You may not reverse engineer or attempt to extract or otherwise use source code or other data from EA Services, unless expressly authorized by EA or permitted by law. EA or its licensors own and reserve all other rights, including all right, title and interest in the EA Services and associated intellectual property rights.

In this agreement games are being treated as a service.

Look, I know it isn't popular but it helps to read these things.

I'm out for now. May be back later, but I have a Ryzen 5000 system to build and this is a shitshow. I don't think any of you can blame me.

 

[looniam]

Look at my post.


and I just showed one example showing we are correct on at least one DLSS game.

I'm not going to do them all. I would suggest the opposition provide something, because right now your team is not winning this debate.

sorry bud but i'm not here for any debating competition. what i see is a lot of shit being thrown on the wall, hoping it will stick.

so with that said, i will ask that you allow me to exit stage left.

ok an encore . . .(so it maybe ends well)

what evga did to unwinder (and then refusing to sample a certain site) was bad. but TPU is good.

 

[Soul_]

That's because everything is a service when you don't own the product.

LOLOLOL!!!! just shows the intellect I am dealing with in this one sentence.

In this agreement games are being treated as a service.

Look, I know it isn't popular but it helps to read these things.

I'm out for now. May be back later, but I have a Ryzen 5000 system to build and this is a shitshow. I don't think any of you can blame me.

All good. Good discussion, you made some good points that I agree with.

 

[delshay]

...and for all the people giving me shit for emailing nVidia:

I certainly will not give you shit for this. The way I see this is clarification how the files can be distributed. It would be nice if someone from Nvidia jumps into this thread & clear things up.

 

[Aquinus]

LOLOLOL!!!! just shows the intellect I am dealing with with this one sentence.

Have you never heard of SaaS? A lot of games give you access to use the game, not own it. Most game companies use this language these days.

Seriously, what's your problem? You're full of ad hominem attacks and I don't get it.