LG OLED65B9PUA blanking/HDR notifications/Instant Game Response randomly with 7900 XTX

[faye]

Finally have my system working, but I'm hoping for a way to get around this weird behavior. Never had this problem with the RTX 2080, the only time the TV went in to game mode was with, well... Games. The 7900 XTX seems to believe YouTube is a game. Amazon Prime Video is a game. Everything is a game to this card!

This wouldn't be a big deal, except sometimes it switches back and forth a few times after starting a video, and the screen blanks each time, so I'm actually missing some of the video. It occasionally does this in the middle of something, minutes or even an hour+ in.

On top of that, there's a small difference in color temps and such when the low delay mode is active. I've tried my best to eliminate this, and it's not as bad as it once was, but between that and the blanking it can be very distracting.

This is probably an LG specific thing, but does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if you do, how to avoid/fix it?

TV is an LG OLED65B9PUA. Firmware is current, checked earlier today. Card is a Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Drivers are current. Using an 8K rated HDMI cable, running 4k @ 60Hz desktop resolution. Windows 11 Pro, insider canary build, fully updated. I'm using Edge, and not willing to use Firefox because I'll lose HDR YouTube support, though if there's another browser with HDR support that will avoid the issue I'm happy to switch.

 

[wNotyarD]

I had a similar issue with my GTX1050 Max-Q switching HDR on and off on my LG 48C1, plus lots of flickering and artifacts. Switched my HDMI cable to a better one and haven't had it happen since.

 

[faye]

I had a similar issue with my GTX1050 Max-Q switching HDR on and off on my LG 48C1, plus lots of flickering and artifacts. Switched my HDMI cable to a better one and haven't had it happen since.

Is there one you'd recommend? I doubt it's the cable, but I'm not opposed to trying another. This is really annoying.

 

[wNotyarD]

Is there one you'd recommend? I doubt it's the cable, but I'm not opposed to trying another. This is really annoying.

Not much on recommendations on my part. Just using the cable that came with my Aorus monitor (on which I use DP for my 3070-equipped desktop).
Since switching to it, I don't have issues with my C1 to my laptop, even if I have to use a miniDP to HDMI adapter to drive 1440p120 or 4k60 (the HDMI port on it is wired to the UHD630 which is incapable of running those resolutions at those rates).

 

[Deleted member 223428]

I'm not sure about RDNA3, but RDNA2 was/is super picky with cable quality.

Club3D is an actual HDMI certified cable. Might be worth a try with something like:

Amazon.com

 

[R-T-B]

Yeah, I was running into this on my 6900 XT I switched to recently. Was the cable, in my case my cable was even certified but a shorter length solved it. HDMI 2.1 is just a super sensitive thing.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

Yeah, I was running into this on my 6900 XT I switched to recently. Was the cable, in my case my cable was even certified but a shorter length solved it. HDMI 2.1 is just a super sensitive thing.

wait. did i ship it to the wrong place? Or did you intercept?

 

[faye]

I'm not sure about RDNA3, but RDNA2 was/is super picky with cable quality.

Club3D is an actual HDMI certified cable. Might be worth a try with something like:

Amazon.com

Ordered. Already grabbed an Amazon branded 2.1 cable that's supposed to get here tomorrow (later today at this point I guess) and that one will get here Tuesday. They can battle it out and the loser - or both if it keeps happening - will be returned. The ones I'm using are 8K certified 2.1 with great reviews and work fine with everything else I've got to test. At this point I'm just hoping it is the cable, cause if not all that's left is the card and TV...

 

[R-T-B]

wait. did i ship it to the wrong place? Or did you intercept?

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I intercept traded with @ir_cow

Frog knows good goods when he sees it. I loved the 3090 ti, but it sucked for linux. He wanted it. I wanted something amd for open source. Winner winner chicken dinner.

It's a great card btw, but you knew that.

 

[faye]

Tried the Amazon branded 2.1 cable, exact same result. I can keep it from doing this by disabling hardware acceleration in Edge, but doing so also disables HDR video, at least based on what I've read. This has me thinking it's a software (drivers or browser) or hardware (TV/firmware, 7900XTX) thing, not the cable.

The Club3D cable should be here tomorrow, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope at this point. Just one more reason to dump this card ASAP.

This kind of thing is the real reason AMD can't gain market share - I didn't spend $900 to fight with a product in ways I never had to with what it replaced. It feels shoddy. Rushed.

The card is also unreasonably loud just playing video, because apparently they couldn't figure out how to make it do basic 2D you can get out of a $200 laptop without pulling 75+ watts. I don't understand how it can be so bad at everything.

Some of my favorite cards have been Radeons - the 9800 Pro, HD 6950 Crossfire... This thing is a sad joke.

Edit:

I fixed it. Somehow.

Tried a number of things and can't promise I remember everything involved, but I /think/ what finally solved it was using edge://flags to search for "force color profile" and setting it to HDR10.

Doubly strange that the 2080 doesn't do this, I guess Nvidia and AMD handle color differently.

My original cable works fine now. The other two will go back.

Edit 2:

Nevermind. Restarted and now Windows says my display isn't HDR compatible. What the hell.

 

[R-T-B]

Tried the Amazon branded 2.1 cable, exact same result. I can keep it from doing this by disabling hardware acceleration in Edge, but doing so also disables HDR video, at least based on what I've read. This has me thinking it's a software (drivers or browser) or hardware (TV/firmware, 7900XTX) thing, not the cable.

The Club3D cable should be here tomorrow, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope at this point. Just one more reason to dump this card ASAP.

This kind of thing is the real reason AMD can't gain market share - I didn't spend $900 to fight with a product in ways I never had to with what it replaced. It feels shoddy. Rushed.

The card is also unreasonably loud just playing video, because apparently they couldn't figure out how to make it do basic 2D you can get out of a $200 laptop without pulling 75+ watts. I don't understand how it can be so bad at everything.

Some of my favorite cards have been Radeons - the 9800 Pro, HD 6950 Crossfire... This thing is a sad joke.

Edit:

I fixed it. Somehow.

Tried a number of things and can't promise I remember everything involved, but I /think/ what finally solved it was using edge://flags to search for "force color profile" and setting it to HDR10.

Doubly strange that the 2080 doesn't do this, I guess Nvidia and AMD handle color differently.

My original cable works fine now. The other two will go back.

Edit 2:

Nevermind. Restarted and now Windows says my display isn't HDR compatible. What the hell.

Honestly I know this isn't what you want to hear but AMD makes great hardware and... sorta passable windows drivers. They work in most standard scenarios, but add something like HDR and shit gets weird pretty quickly. Yeah, you can escape that by booting into linux like I did but... totally get that is not a solution for 90% of users. (And no it doesn't totally fix hdr it just lets you run games in hdr and desktop in plain sdr)

We need an open source windows driver, like what linux has. I think it could help a lot.

 

[faye]

Honestly I know this isn't what you want to hear but AMD makes great hardware and... sorta passable windows drivers. They work in most standard scenarios, but add something like HDR and shit gets weird pretty quickly. Yeah, you can escape that by booting into linux like I did but... totally get that is not a solution for 90% of users. (And no it doesn't totally fix hdr it just lets you run games in hdr and desktop in plain sdr)

We need an open source windows driver, like what linux has.

This isn't passable. This is unforgivable.

I'll keep this card, because I can't justify spending another $500 for something better, but I'm never buying or recommending another AMD card to anyone. This is the worst experience I've had with a piece of hardware in like 15 years. Maybe more. I despise this thing.

Cleanup Utility and reinstalling the drivers brought HDR back, but literally nothing I've done should have affected it in the first place.

I went in to this completely positive, it's been a shit show from minute one, and if the last couple weeks are any indication I'm going to regret taking that chance for at least a year or two. Should have done more research and saved up for a 4090, but I won't make the same mistake twice.

 

[R-T-B]

This isn't passable. This is unforgivable.

I'll keep this card, because I can't justify spending another $500 for something better, but I'm never buying or recommending another AMD card to anyone. This is the worst experience I've had with a piece of hardware in like 15 years. Maybe more. I despise this thing.

That's completely valid. I bought into it sort of knowing I was buying a speciality one trick pony for open source stuff, but stories like this remind me they really do need to fix this or just admit they are a speciality product, rather than mass market.

Here was my brief not so fun windows issue, for reference:

R-T-B

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Dr. Dro]

This isn't passable. This is unforgivable.

I'll keep this card, because I can't justify spending another $500 for something better, but I'm never buying or recommending another AMD card to anyone. This is the worst experience I've had with a piece of hardware in like 15 years. Maybe more. I despise this thing.

Cleanup Utility and reinstalling the drivers brought HDR back, but literally nothing I've done should have affected it in the first place.

I went in to this completely positive, it's been a shit show from minute one, and if the last couple weeks are any indication I'm going to regret taking that chance for at least a year or two. Should have done more research and saved up for a 4090, but I won't make the same mistake twice.

I kid you not Faye, I had the 7900 XTX in my cart the moment I decided, no, I don't want to deal with this garbage and I don't want to lose the RTX featureset.

Then I decided to splurge for the most luxurious 4080 I could fit in my pocket. Which was honestly a 4080 that normally costs more than a basic 4090, I just got lucky on a sale and nabbed it. Haven't looked back, no issues whatsoever since then.

Reading this thread reinforced my belief that I did the right thing, even though in hindsight, 7900 XTX is doing stellar in the specific game that I upgraded my machine for, Starfield.

Have a brand new OLED G3 coming in tomorrow (scheduled for tomorrow at least). Concludes my upgrade cycle for the generation.

Just don't expect AMD to do anything about it, they won't, and AMD fans will always deny, stonewall, deflect, shift the blame and defend the company. Just know I understand your frustration, I had a front row seat to it for the past 5 years.

 

[R-T-B]

Just don't expect AMD to do anything about it, they won't, and AMD fans will always deny, stonewall, deflect, shift the blame and defend the company.

I wish people would realize that does anything but help AMD, if anything it just muddies the water on legit problems. The lack of this in the OSS world is precisely why the drivers there have advanced so well.

 

[Space Lynx]

wait. did i ship it to the wrong place? Or did you intercept?

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took me like 5 seconds to make all the connections then it made me roll, lol well done good sir




@faye if it is not too late for you to refund it, you should probably just do that and spend a little extra on a 4080. i would recommend a clean install of OS and latest chipset/graphics driver though if you do this, DDU is shit

 

[faye]

took me like 5 seconds to make all the connections then it made me roll, lol well done good sir




@faye if it is not too late for you to refund it, you should probably just do that and spend a little extra on a 4080. i would recommend a clean install of OS and latest chipset/graphics driver though if you do this, DDU is shit

I paid like $820 for the 7900 XTX after discount and getting $90 back because Amazon never sent me the Starfield Premium code. A 4090 would cost me twice as much, at least. Not going to happen right now - just moved cross country and need to focus on furniture and such. I'll probably get frustrated enough to sell it in a couple months.

 

[Space Lynx]

I paid like $820 for the 7900 XTX after discount and getting $90 back because Amazon never sent me the Starfield Premium code. A 4090 would cost me twice as much, at least. Not going to happen right now - just moved cross country and need to focus on furniture and such. I'll probably get frustrated enough to sell it in a couple months.

that is a good deal honestly. i understand now, i hope you get it working to your needs sooner rather than later. i have had 0 issues with my 7900 xt

I don't game in HDR or 4k though, I keep my gaming PC traditional, as in monitor, DP cable, 1440p 165hz, and away i go.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I wish people would realize that does anything but help AMD, if anything it just muddies the water on legit problems. The lack of this in the OSS world is precisely why the drivers there have advanced so well.

That has been my point from the very beginning. I did my part. I joined the Radeon Vanguard program. I was so enthusiastic about it that I got involved with several fan communities as well. Most of these bridges have been burned at this point, some with unfriendly partings - more so than I'd like, I reckon. At a point circa 2019, I had a veritable arsenal of AMD GPUs, I had gone all-in:

- Sapphire Toxic R9 280X
- MSI Lightning R9 290X
- 2x Radeon R9 Fury X
- Vega Frontier Edition
- Radeon VII

One heartache after the other, I sold them all. But I am one man, and the feedback of one man is seldom taken to heart. If I sound like a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, here's for everyone to see: I am a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, and I am so sick and tired of pretending I'm not. But unlike most cases of this "symptom", I have a legitimate grievance.

After going through the experience of seeing relatively simple to resolve bugs that I've reported years ago still being present today, of bugs that I've reported, documented and submitted with extensive testing being unresolved and present after products go EOL (and become completely unsupported), you just can't blame me for losing faith. I think it's safe to say that we all want a Radeon team that no longer exists, an innovative behemoth that is always bringing their A-game. That Radeon is gone. I have a firm belief in that. Until it comes back, that faith is gone.

I won't say they did absolutely nothing: their new PAL abstraction layer and the D3D and OGL user-mode driver rewrites largely helped close, or perhaps the correct word is narrow, the immense gap in driver quality, but end of the day, they are playing catch up to Nvidia in this regard. It's worthy of mention, but it's something that is so essential that it feels hard to give them too much credit for it. A necessary building block, perhaps, but I strongly feel AMD is currently misguided and wandering aimlessly, making copies of Nvidia technologies is much less impressive than what I know, perhaps better than anyone, that they could do.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

- Sapphire Toxic R9 280X
- MSI Lightning R9 290X
- 2x Radeon R9 Fury X
- Vega Frontier Edition
- Radeon VII

One heartache after the other, I sold them all. But I am one man, and the feedback of one man is seldom taken to heart. If I sound like a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, here's for everyone to see: I am a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, and I am so sick and tired of pretending I'm not. But unlike most cases of this "symptom", I have a legitimate grievance.

I think the thing that makes it difficult is there are others who own a ton of AMD hardware and legit have no issues. I have had a ton of hands on with AMD gpu's from the 7970 to the 6700XT and many many cards in between even one of the worse the 5700XT driver issues wise and for the most part it has been smooth sailing with it. I prefer Nvidia cards for RT and DLSS otherwise I would have no issue owning an AMD gpu. I think there are some who have a ton off issues with Nvidia gpu's same as the OP my brother had a 1080ti he had nothing but issues with and his 2080 was meh he seemed to have more problems than most although a clean driver install or fresh windows install always seemed to do the trick. We live in different cities so I can't always help him troubleshoot in person. He has even had some issues with the 4070 I recently got him but that also seems sorted. Maybe it's him maybe it's Nvidia who can say.

I see similar stuff like this pop up on both AMD/Nvidia hardware neither is immune does AMD have more issues maybe but at least for me they have been about the same with Nvidia having a slight edge in niche scenarios.

I honestly do not like how Nvidia/Windows handles HDR in general either I much prefer how it is done on consoles with the Xbox series X/PS5 honestly hdr on pc kinda sucks.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think the thing that makes it difficult is there are others who own a ton of AMD hardware and legit have no issues. I have had a ton of hands on with AMD gpu's from the 7970 to the 6700XT and many many cards in between even one of the worse the 5700XT driver issues wise and for the most part it has been smooth sailing with it. I prefer Nvidia cards for RT and DLSS otherwise I would have no issue owning an AMD gpu. I think there are some who have a ton off issues with Nvidia gpu's same as the OP my brother had a 1080ti he had nothing but issues with and his 2080 was meh he seemed to have more problems than most although a clean driver install or fresh windows install always seemed to do the trick. We live in different cities so I can't always help him troubleshoot in person. He has even had some issues with the 4070 I recently got him but that also seems sorted.

I see similar stuff like this pop up on both AMD/Nvidia hardware neither is immune does AMD have more issues maybe but at least for me they have been about the same with Nvidia having a slight edge in niche scenarios.

Yes I know, not to justify it, veer into whataboutism or anything, the point is perhaps that I had a very privileged position of having almost direct access to the people who actually made these things and still seeing the things "I told you so" happening all the time. It's incredibly frustrating. Joining TPU was the next step for me. Most people I have come to know and befriend in my time there were also long time TPUers and that's why I came to this forum in the first place.

Oh well, I feel like we've hijacked the thread. Sorry everyone.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes I know, not to justify it, veer into whataboutism or anything, the point is perhaps that I had a very privileged position of having almost direct access to the people who actually made these things and still seeing the things "I told you so" happening all the time. It's incredibly frustrating. Joining TPU was the next step for me. Most people I have come to know and befriend in my time there were also long time TPUers and that's why I came to this forum in the first place.

Oh well, I feel like we've hijacked the thread. Sorry everyone.

What the OP is going through shouldn't be a thing on any hardware and I don't blame her for wishing she could switch to a 4090 I would feel the same in her shoes. I have followed most her thread mostly to educate myself just in case I run into these issues. I always look at it as a learning experience seeing what they have tried what maybe has worked what hasn't it's all beneficial even if I think it is unfortunate anyone has to go through any of that with their hardware. Upgrading is suppose to a joy not a headache.

 

[faye]

That has been my point from the very beginning. I did my part. I joined the Radeon Vanguard program. I was so enthusiastic about it that I got involved with several fan communities as well. Most of these bridges have been burned at this point, some with unfriendly partings - more so than I'd like, I reckon. At a point circa 2019, I had a veritable arsenal of AMD GPUs, I had gone all-in:

- Sapphire Toxic R9 280X
- MSI Lightning R9 290X
- 2x Radeon R9 Fury X
- Vega Frontier Edition
- Radeon VII

One heartache after the other, I sold them all. But I am one man, and the feedback of one man is seldom taken to heart. If I sound like a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, here's for everyone to see: I am a rabid anti-AMD old man yelling at clouds, and I am so sick and tired of pretending I'm not. But unlike most cases of this "symptom", I have a legitimate grievance.

After going through the experience of seeing relatively simple to resolve bugs that I've reported years ago still being present today, of bugs that I've reported, documented and submitted with extensive testing being unresolved and present after products go EOL (and become completely unsupported), you just can't blame me for losing faith. I think it's safe to say that we all want a Radeon team that no longer exists, an innovative behemoth that is always bringing their A-game. That Radeon is gone. I have a firm belief in that. Until it comes back, that faith is gone.

I won't say they did absolutely nothing: their new PAL abstraction layer and the D3D and OGL user-mode driver rewrites largely helped close, or perhaps the correct word is narrow, the immense gap in driver quality, but end of the day, they are playing catch up to Nvidia in this regard. It's worthy of mention, but it's something that is so essential that it feels hard to give them too much credit for it. A necessary building block, perhaps, but I strongly feel AMD is currently misguided and wandering aimlessly, making copies of Nvidia technologies is much less impressive than what I know, perhaps better than anyone, that they could do.

I had almost nothing but ATI cards for the longest time -

3D Rage
Rage 128 Pro
Radeon SDR (then a Radeon DDR when I realized my mistake)
Radeon 9800 Pro
Radeon X1800
(Then I got an 8800 GTX... Then two. Then 3.)
Radeon HD 6950 Crossfire (still have at least one of these boxed up somewhere)
... And back to Nvidia until two weeks ago. 980Ti SLI, then the RTX 2080.

Most of my cards have been ATI/AMD. With this they have lost me as a customer forever. Nvidia is a terrible company and their current pricing is unconscionable, but at least the card they're selling you for 50% more than it should cost works. If the choice is between a garbage company with a solid product and a garbage company with a garbage product, well...

The real dream is that Intel gets their shit together and actually releases a solid halo card, but that's not happening any time soon from what I can see, if ever.

 

[wNotyarD]

@faye I see you mentioning the 4090 would be way expensive for you (and for whom ain't it?), but what about the 4080? Wherever RT is involved, it homeruns any Radeon out of the park, and where it isn't it trade blows on par with your 7900XTX.
Wouldn't it be an option for you, at least to get rid of all issues you face?

 

[faye]

@faye I see you mentioning the 4090 would be way expensive for you (and for whom ain't it?), but what about the 4080? Wherever RT is involved, it homeruns any Radeon out of the park, and where it isn't it trade blows on par with your 7900XTX.
Wouldn't it be an option for you, at least to get rid of all issues you face?

The only thing I'd consider for a replacement is a 4090 - the 4080 wouldn't be a significant step up outside of Cyberpunk, and even in that it wouldn't be able to do what I want. No point spending more money to be differently disappointed. Plus we're not talking about a small amount of money for the upgrade, still $400+. That's too much for what I'd be getting.

I should have known better from the start - there's just too big a gap between the 4090 and everything else right now.