Linus plays with a 64 core epyc CPU.

phill · Oct 1, 2019

i wonder if I could get a video uploaded to TPU with the server noise from startup

??

Hellfire · Oct 1, 2019

biffzinker said:
I looked up the Xeon D-1513N on Intel's Ark page, and the rated TDP is only 35 watts. Being passively cooled wasn't necessarily wrong.

Intel® Xeon® Processor D-1513N (6M Cache, 1.60 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® Processor D-1513N (6M Cache, 1.60 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

Don't even think that's the lowest, think there are some 20w Xeons now.

notb · Oct 1, 2019

Hellfire said:
I checked today, you're right, they have two tiny fans in the back but our Xeon D-1513N's have literally near no cooling on the server. and none on the CPU direct

What unit model? HP DL20?
There are 4 fans total: 2 on front panel near the CPU, 1 in PSU and 1 inside the case on a metal separator (it cools the drives):
https://dangdi.vn/assets/uploads/images/tin-tuc/hp-dl20-g9-2.png

In rack units fans don't have to be put directly on CPU heatsink. Units are cramped and airflow is directed (modelled during unit design). There are often additional shrouds or fans placed in weird spots.

Rack panels are "valuable", so main fans are usually placed inside the unit.

DL360 is a typical high performance 1U rack. There's a battery of 7 fans inside (between drives and CPUs). They create an even airflow through the whole unit.

http://www.dectrader.com/pdf/quickspecs/15033_na/image003.png

The only additional fans are in PSUs (1 in each).

biffzinker said:
I looked up the Xeon D-1513N on Intel's Ark page, and the rated TDP is only 35 watts. Being passively cooled wasn't necessarily wrong.

1U unit is a 40mm-high horizontal box full of junk.
Air travels only through front and rear panels, which are partly taken by drives, PSUs and interfaces.

Passive cooling is... difficult at best.
And honestly, why would anyone try? What's the point?

Hellfire · Oct 1, 2019

notb said:
What unit model? HP DL20?
There are 4 fans total: 2 on front panel near the CPU, 1 in PSU and 1 inside the case on a metal separator (it cools the drives):
https://dangdi.vn/assets/uploads/images/tin-tuc/hp-dl20-g9-2.png

In rack units fans don't have to be put directly on CPU heatsink. Units are cramped and airflow is directed (modelled during unit design). There are often additional shrouds or fans placed in weird spots.

Rack panels are "valuable", so main fans are usually placed inside the unit.

DL360 is a typical high performance 1U rack. There's a battery of 7 fans inside (between drives and CPUs). They create an even airflow through the whole unit.

http://www.dectrader.com/pdf/quickspecs/15033_na/image003.png
The only additional fans are in PSUs (1 in each).

1U unit is a 40mm-high horizontal box full of junk.
Air travels only through front and rear panels, which are partly taken by drives, PSUs and interfaces.

Passive cooling is... difficult at best.
And honestly, why would anyone try? What's the point?

Yup our DL360s are noisey fuckers. Gonna love bringing them home in a few months.

The HP rack we have with the two smalls fans have two on the front panel, none on the rear (didn't count PSU fan tbh).

kapone32 · Oct 1, 2019

remixedcat said:
This. Media encoding specially. I could use this EPYC but at that price I'd have to sell a kidney.

LOL vs having to sell all your organs for the Intel variants

notb · Oct 1, 2019

kapone32 said:
LOL vs having to sell all your organs for the Intel variants

Servers with AMD CPUs often cost more than ones with more expensive Intel CPUs.

Hellfire said:
Yup our DL360s are noisey fuckers. Gonna love bringing them home in a few months.

Just keep in mind the fans are AFAIK $200 each...

kapone32 · Oct 1, 2019

notb said:
Servers with AMD CPUs often cost more than ones with more expensive Intel CPUs.

Yes but the CPUs themselves are far apart in terms of cost.

Just keep in mind the fans are AFAIK $200 each...

Zach_01 · Oct 1, 2019

notb said:
Servers with AMD CPUs often cost more than ones with more expensive Intel CPUs.

Pre... or Post 2017?

Hellfire · Oct 1, 2019

Having a look from my suppliers the following spec is much cheaper than the intel counterpart

HPE ProLiant DL385 Gen10 AMD 16-Core EPYC 7301 £1704.00 + VAT
Closest spec Intel is
Hewlett Packard Enterprise ProLiant DL380 Gen10 4208 £1,958.47 + VAT

(same supplier)

notb · Oct 1, 2019

kapone32 said:
Yes but the CPUs themselves are far apart in terms of cost.

Yes, but who cares? You don't buy a CPU. You buy a server.

Zach_01 said:
Pre... or Post 2017?

Post, obviously.
AMD has tiny market share, so the cost of designing and supporting EPYC servers is higher (per item).

phill · Oct 1, 2019

Hellfire said:
Yup our DL360s are noisey fuckers. Gonna love bringing them home in a few months.

The HP rack we have with the two smalls fans have two on the front panel, none on the rear (didn't count PSU fan tbh).

You'll love 'em!!

Hellfire · Oct 1, 2019

notb said:
Yes, but who cares? You don't buy a CPU. You buy a server.

Post, obviously.
AMD has tiny market share, so the cost of designing and supporting EPYC servers is higher (per item).

Except the pricing I am looking at shows they're not.

notb · Oct 1, 2019

Hellfire said:
Having a look from my suppliers the following spec is much cheaper than the intel counterpart

HPE ProLiant DL385 Gen10 AMD 16-Core EPYC 7301 £1704.00 + VAT
Closest spec Intel is
Hewlett Packard Enterprise ProLiant DL380 Gen10 4208 £1,958.47 + VAT

Well, there's really no way for me to verify such a claim.

I went to buy.hpe.com and based on the very limited configuration available I got to an 8SFF DL385 and 12LFF DL380 - both with 1 CPU, 32 GB RAM, 2 PSU and no drives.
DL385 was slightly more expensive, so my observation is already different to yours.

Servers are vastly different (8SFF vs 12LFF), so there's really no way to compare them properly.

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Linus plays with a 64 core epyc CPU.

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