Lower performance by R7 3700x than expected

[Athlonite]

Cooler Master Hyper 212 <<<< this right here is the problem while the 212 is a decent enough cooler it is not enough to maintain a low enough temp so your CPU is downclocking when using all cores/threads hence the normal single core score but lower than expected multi core score

that was with an all core clock of 4.35GHz and using a Cryorig R1 Universal cooler temps never went over 65°C and clocks stayed at 4.35GHz throughout the test.
My advice is get a better CPU cooler the 212 is not good enough to maintain constant clockss without throttling

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Exactly At first i posted my "issue" in that thread, but i didnt want to go off topic so i tryed to post there.
Actually i'm at 145 fps average up to the 138 i posted before, and other benchmarks outside the game are ok, so i guess i have to accept these results and make peace with them

Ok.....now I saw your post there...well your first result(102fps) was kinda low for 3700x but now I see that your result is improved you have 134 FPS that's Ok I guess for stocked 3700x...If you overclock your CPU and tweak your ram I am sure that you can gain much more.....What about other games?Do you have stuttering in games or any other issues?

 

[eidairaman1]

Cooler Master Hyper 212 <<<< this right here is the problem while the 212 is a decent enough cooler it is not enough to maintain a low enough temp so your CPU is downclocking when using all cores/threads hence the normal single core score but lower than expected multi core score

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that was with an all core clock of 4.35GHz and using a Cryorig R1 Universal cooler temps never went over 65°C and clocks stayed at 4.35GHz throughout the test.
My advice is get a better CPU cooler the 212 is not good enough to maintain constant clockss without throttling

Yeah at this rate the 212 is like the wraith.

 

[Cekho]

Cooler Master Hyper 212 <<<< this right here is the problem while the 212 is a decent enough cooler it is not enough to maintain a low enough temp so your CPU is downclocking when using all cores/threads hence the normal single core score but lower than expected multi core score

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that was with an all core clock of 4.35GHz and using a Cryorig R1 Universal cooler temps never went over 65°C and clocks stayed at 4.35GHz throughout the test.
My advice is get a better CPU cooler the 212 is not good enough to maintain constant clockss without throttling

But CPU should downclocking when temperature goes over a certain limit or not? Cause when i benchamarked the temperatures of cores never gone over 70°.
Maybe is 70° the limit, i dont know...?

Ok.....now I saw your post there...well your first result(102fps) was kinda low for 3700x but now I see that your result is improved you have 134 FPS that's Ok I guess for stocked 3700x...If you overclock your CPU and tweak your ram I am sure that you can gain much more.....What about other games?Do you have stuttering in games or any other issues?

I enabled PBO and gained some performance, but if the temperatures are really my problem, like Athlonite said, i must check thermal pasteon the CPU (i applied it like 2 months ago, maybe i applied badly) and the cooler.

Well i thanks you all for your patience and support

 

[eidairaman1]

But CPU should downclocking when temperature goes over a certain limit or not? Cause when i benchamarked the temperatures of cores never gone over 70°.
Maybe is 70° the limit, i dont know...?



I enabled PBO and gained some performance, but if the temperatures are really my problem, like Athlonite said, i must check thermal pasteon the CPU (i applied it like 2 months ago, maybe i applied badly) and the cooler.

Well i thanks you all for your patience and support

Replace the 212 with Something from Scythe, Thermalright or Cryorig

 

[Chomiq]

Sorry I'm posting screenshots of them cause i dont know what infos do you need

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That kit of Ballistix you have has incorrect tRC when using the XMP. It should be set to 58 instead of 84.

 

[eidairaman1]

Replace the 212 with Something from Scythe, Thermalright or Cryorig

Do some research on coolers for the 5600-5900

That kit of Ballistix you have has incorrect tRC when using the XMP. It should be set to 58 instead of 84.

Xmp is a safe measure, doesnt guarantee fine tuning of any ram as docp/xmp is determined by motherboard.

I know this as I started with docp and then manually adjusted every primary timing tighter on my rig, 1 step at a time until it was unstable and backed it off.

 

[Athlonite]

But CPU should downclocking when temperature goes over a certain limit or not? Cause when i benchamarked the temperatures of cores never gone over 70°.
Maybe is 70° the limit, i dont know...?



I enabled PBO and gained some performance, but if the temperatures are really my problem, like Athlonite said, i must check thermal pasteon the CPU (i applied it like 2 months ago, maybe i applied badly) and the cooler.

Well i thanks you all for your patience and support

As both me and eidairaman1 have said replace your cooler with something better the 212 is fine for lower end CPU's but not so much for 8 core / 16 thread CPU's it just doesn't cope with the heat output well and 70c is high for the 212 and it's to small to deal with the heat load so will be downclocking your CPU like crazy

 

[Cekho]

That kit of Ballistix you have has incorrect tRC when using the XMP. It should be set to 58 instead of 84.

Is something automatic set? Or should I change in the bios/somewhere?

As both me and eidairaman1 have said replace your cooler with something better the 212 is fine for lower end CPU's but not so much for 8 core / 16 thread CPU's it just doesn't cope with the heat output well and 70c is high for the 212 and it's to small to deal with the heat load so will be downclocking your CPU like crazy

Understood Thanks!

 

[Chomiq]

Xmp is a safe measure, doesnt guarantee fine tuning of any ram as docp/xmp is determined by motherboard.

Sure but I probably have the same kit and the XMP profile says "16-18-18-38-58" but on multiple boards it loads as 16-18-18-38-84 instead.

 

[eidairaman1]

As both me and eidairaman1 have said replace your cooler with something better the 212 is fine for lower end CPU's but not so much for 8 core / 16 thread CPU's it just doesn't cope with the heat output well and 70c is high for the 212 and it's to small to deal with the heat load so will be downclocking your CPU like crazy

My Scythe Ashura Handles this FX 8350 at 5GHz under gaming at 55°C and never crashed under Ryzen blender which it hit 75°C. Too bad yhey dont make it any more but have an AM4 kit for it...

Sure but I probably have the same kit and the XMP profile says "16-18-18-38-58" but on multiple boards it loads as 16-18-18-38-84 instead.

Yup you proved my point

 

[Athlonite]

My Scythe Ashura Handles this FX 8350 at 5GHz under gaming at 55°C and never crashed under Ryzen blender which it hit 75°C. Too bad yhey dont make it any more but have an AM4 kit for it...

and so a 6 heatpipe tower cooler should versus a 4 heatpie jobbie as it's able to shift the heat from the CPU and base plate much better than that of the 212 my old cooler was a thermolab baram this also way out performed the 212 on my FX8320 shame it didn't get an updated bracket for AM4 socket otherwise I'd still be using it today

 

[eidairaman1]

Is something automatic set? Or should I change in the bios/somewhere?


Understood Thanks!

Get your motherboard manual out and look under bios chapter and look for xmp/docp.

and so a 6 heatpipe tower cooler should versus a 4 heatpie jobbie as it's able to shift the heat from the CPU and base plate much better than that of the 212 my old cooler was a thermolab baram this also way out performed the 212 on my FX8320 shame it didn't get an updated bracket for AM4 socket otherwise I'd still be using it today

Yeah it was great investment for the time and scythe should of continued making them.

 

[Chomiq]

Is something automatic set? Or should I change in the bios/somewhere?

Bios -> AI Tweaker -> DRAM Timing Control
would be my guess

 

[Cekho]

Bios -> AI Tweaker -> DRAM Timing Control
would be my guess

Ok, i'll change it, but is a problem if it stays like this ( 84 instead of 58)? Or is just to tweak the performance?

 

[mtcn77]

Ok, i'll change it, but is a problem if it stays like this ( 84 instead of 58)? Or is just to tweak the performance?

It is a problem if you consider 3600MHz a sign of its performance.

 

[phanbuey]

sell it and buy a 5600x

Not the most helpful suggestion, but worth considering -- more fun to spend your time tuning a fast chip to go faster, than a slow chip to get it to stock performance.

 

[Cekho]

Bios -> AI Tweaker -> DRAM Timing Control
would be my guess

I tried but in the bios i cant change the setting, is set to auto and cant change it

sell it and buy a 5600x

Not the most helpful suggestion, but worth considering -- more fun to spend your time tuning a fast chip to go faster, than a slow chip to get it to stock performance.

Thats true but i'm not that desperate to sell this CPU, actually i play good that's enough. I just wanted to understand if there was a serious problem or not

 

[mtcn77]

I tried but in the bios i cant change the setting, is set to auto and cant change it

You have docp on, it means automatic by the motherboard.

 

[Cekho]

You have docp on, it means automatic by the motherboard.

Oh ok,so i should disable docp and set value manually?

 

[Athlonite]

You have docp on, it means automatic by the motherboard.

No it doesn't I also have an Asus mobo and even with DOCP turned on I am still able to change memory timings from what the xmp profile suggest

 

[QuietBob]

I'm trying to install Ryzen Master but when i launch it, pop up an error "ryzen master drivers not installed".

Have you installed AMD chipset drivers?

There's nothing wrong with your CPU, but it seems to be underperforming in SOTTR. Those are my results with the same settings:

My CPU and RAM are OC'd, but the 3300X has only four cores vs. your eight. So literally, half the number. And yet it gets slightly higher scores in the CPU Game metric. I'm quite surprised, as SOTTR can definitely utilize eight cores. Here's the graph from my benchmark run:

Could you check your per-thread CPU utilization during the benchmark?

 

[Cekho]

Have you installed AMD chipset drivers?

There's nothing wrong with your CPU, but it seems to be underperforming in SOTTR. Those are my results with the same settings:

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My CPU and RAM are OC'd, but the 3300X has only four cores vs. your eight. So literally, half the number. And yet it gets slightly higher scores in the CPU Game metric. I'm quite surprised, as SOTTR can definitely utilize eight cores. Here's the graph from my benchmark run:

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Could you check your per-thread CPU utilization during the benchmark?

Yeah this is the problem. My cpu is apparently ok but in this game is underperforming.
Do you mean the in game benchmark of SOTTR?

Anyway my chipset drivers are updated

 

[QuietBob]

Do you mean the in game benchmark of SOTTR?

Yes, also at lowest settings. We need to look at thread utilization and core clocks during the benchmark. Maybe the clocks aren't boosting as high as they should?
I used MSI Afterburner for the graphs. HWInfo has the same.

EDIT: I found two results for the 3600 in the SOTTR thread:
Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.35
Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.525
Both are overclocked six cores from the same generation as your CPU, and they score higher. Something isn't right.

 

[Cekho]

Yes, also at lowest settings. We need to look at thread utilization and core clocks during the benchmark. Maybe the clocks aren't boosting as high as they should?
I used MSI Afterburner for the graphs. HWInfo has the same.

EDIT: I found two results for the 3600 in the SOTTR thread:
Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.35
Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.525
Both are overclocked six cores from the same generation as your CPU, and they score higher. Something isn't right.

Here the graph during the benchmark in game

These are the results of benchmark in game with today's tweak. Maybe now are ok or at least decent. (lowest settings)