Are all the drives listed here comfirmed to work in P6X58D or equivalent? I suppose tack MP500 on to the list as well? Is there a summary list or Google doc where all this is tracked?
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M.2 SSD on old X58 system with M.2 PCI adaptor. Can it work?
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Are all the drives listed here comfirmed to work in P6X58D or equivalent? I suppose tack MP500 on to the list as well? Is there a summary list or Google doc where all this is tracked?
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Hi Xeroiv,
I believe that is confirmed that some users were able to put all this drives to work in x58 boards, from different manufactures. And agent_x007 went much further, putting his sm961 to work even on a socket 478 board...
But I think that is important to get a closer look on the details of each user to have a nice understanding of how it can work, some examples:
* samsung 950 Pro - you have legacy bios support - on Asus boards, you can see it in bios, and boot from it (windows 10 no driver needed, windows 7 you have to load the driver). But there´s more, some users could not boot with MSI, Intel or EVGA boards with the same drive;
* Drives without legacy support - you can use a UEFI boot, in this thread, there are users using Clover and Duet, having success on both methods, with different drives, different manufactures, different models. And of course, you can use samsung 950 pro too
About the list, in my long research, I could not see nothing like that...
Good luck
I believe that is confirmed that some users were able to put all this drives to work in x58 boards, from different manufactures. And agent_x007 went much further, putting his sm961 to work even on a socket 478 board...
But I think that is important to get a closer look on the details of each user to have a nice understanding of how it can work, some examples:
* samsung 950 Pro - you have legacy bios support - on Asus boards, you can see it in bios, and boot from it (windows 10 no driver needed, windows 7 you have to load the driver). But there´s more, some users could not boot with MSI, Intel or EVGA boards with the same drive;
* Drives without legacy support - you can use a UEFI boot, in this thread, there are users using Clover and Duet, having success on both methods, with different drives, different manufactures, different models. And of course, you can use samsung 950 pro too
About the list, in my long research, I could not see nothing like that...
Good luck
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These drives only run hot during sustained sequential operation. Using as a boot drive, once Windows, large programs, or games are installed, the drive only reads/writes small files very quickly, not long enough to heat up the drive. The heat problem comes from moving large files that take a long time - not reading small OS or game files. But still, I would use a good heatsink.
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Since I´m here, I made an "upgrade" on my Nvme, and I think the information can kill some doubts, for those with the same worry...
I was getting very high temps on heavy load (games, benchs, etc). And I decided to put a heatsink, the max temp on idle and low work, like browsing, office, etc, were nice, but in games and benchs was not good. Then I put a fan on it, and now the temps got much better:
Was around this:
*Adap & Nvme only:
** Idle and light work: 45 - 53°
** games/benchs : 53 - 63°
*Adap & Nvme with heatsink:
** Idle and light work: 40 - 45°
** games/benchs : 48 - 58°
*Adap & Nvme & heatsink with fan:
** Idle and light work: 30 - 38°
** games/benchs : 32 - 44°
I played for the test like 20 minutes on Titanfall 2 and Hand of Fate 2 - Goblins. And for the bench, a full test on crystalmark 6.0
To build this kind of cooler, I used a heatsink of a dead fx 5200, and the fan of a amd x2 cooler box. I did just a little pressure between the Nvme and the heatsink, since the Nvme looks totally fragile. I used a no conductive thermal past, and have to work on the heatsink a little, since the Fusion ship is taller...
Here an image:
I was getting very high temps on heavy load (games, benchs, etc). And I decided to put a heatsink, the max temp on idle and low work, like browsing, office, etc, were nice, but in games and benchs was not good. Then I put a fan on it, and now the temps got much better:
Was around this:
*Adap & Nvme only:
** Idle and light work: 45 - 53°
** games/benchs : 53 - 63°
*Adap & Nvme with heatsink:
** Idle and light work: 40 - 45°
** games/benchs : 48 - 58°
*Adap & Nvme & heatsink with fan:
** Idle and light work: 30 - 38°
** games/benchs : 32 - 44°
I played for the test like 20 minutes on Titanfall 2 and Hand of Fate 2 - Goblins. And for the bench, a full test on crystalmark 6.0
To build this kind of cooler, I used a heatsink of a dead fx 5200, and the fan of a amd x2 cooler box. I did just a little pressure between the Nvme and the heatsink, since the Nvme looks totally fragile. I used a no conductive thermal past, and have to work on the heatsink a little, since the Fusion ship is taller...
Here an image:
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This is where NVMe shines, because of the low latency and high IOPS. Reading and writing the small OS files so quickly is what makes Windows feel so "snappy" on an NVMe drive. Also very noticeable when using Windows utilities.
Hi Xeroiv,
I believe that is confirmed that some users were able to put all this drives to work in x58 boards, from different manufactures. And agent_x007 went much further, putting his sm961 to work even on a socket 478 board...
But I think that is important to get a closer look on the details of each user to have a nice understanding of how it can work, some examples:
* samsung 950 Pro - you have legacy bios support - on Asus boards, you can see it in bios, and boot from it (windows 10 no driver needed, windows 7 you have to load the driver). But there´s more, some users could not boot with MSI, Intel or EVGA boards with the same drive;
* Drives without legacy support - you can use a UEFI boot, in this thread, there are users using Clover and Duet, having success on both methods, with different drives, different manufactures, different models. And of course, you can use samsung 950 pro too
About the list, in my long research, I could not see nothing like that...
Good luck
So just for clarity of my understanding. The post you made earlier about getting the MP500 working was using a USB key with Clover or Duet? I would like to avoid having a usb key and am curious to as if there are options outside of the 950 pro.
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You can install Clover on standard sata/ide drive partition (it takes ~200MB).
You won't be able to use that drive for a Windows OS (at least, easily).
You won't be able to use that drive for a Windows OS (at least, easily).
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Yes Xeroiv, to get the MP500 working as system boot, and probably others drives without legacy bios support, you´ll have to use Clover or DUET for the UEFI Bios. Like agent_007 said, it´s not easy, but you just have to learn how, because it works, 100% sure 
About the problem on using a usb drive, again, agent_x007 gave you the tip, you can use Clover on your HDD. In fact, I figured out how to use even DUET on my HDD, just yesterday. Now I´m using DUET on a small partition of my already installed HDD "the need of a usb drive plugged all the time for the boot was bothering me too
"...
So, you can use a large number of M.2 Nvme drives of your choice, just use Clover or Duet, both booting from Usb or HDD, with 100% sure of success. The differences, I believe, is just on the time/research/study you´ll need to put them to work, and the reward: just incredible awesome
Good luck for you
About the problem on using a usb drive, again, agent_x007 gave you the tip, you can use Clover on your HDD. In fact, I figured out how to use even DUET on my HDD, just yesterday. Now I´m using DUET on a small partition of my already installed HDD "the need of a usb drive plugged all the time for the boot was bothering me too
"...So, you can use a large number of M.2 Nvme drives of your choice, just use Clover or Duet, both booting from Usb or HDD, with 100% sure of success. The differences, I believe, is just on the time/research/study you´ll need to put them to work, and the reward: just incredible awesome
Good luck for you
Hello,
I tried with samsung 961 and it did not work. I recognize that I did not spent a lot of time doing that to succeed.
I have a x58 motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P. ( standard bios 2009-2010 , 2011 the last update )
Im going to by a samsung 970 evo plus 500 or Adata 8200 pro 512.
I would like to install one of them on the gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P. According to some peaple it could work on ancient motherboard X58 by using duet or similar An usb Key is necessary. I wonder if instead of using a usb key i could use a hard disk or msata. O course, i have an adapter to nvme :
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Socket-M-...3.0&%3Btpp=1
but im going to get this new adapter with msata : https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/M2-NVME-N....31ff3c00tmBodE
As you can see , I can use a mdata hard disk to be used in this adapter as well SSd nvme as boot like a usb key. is it possible? Of course, the price of the msata or eventually of a classical SSD is closer to the price of an usb with identical storage capacity.
is there any interest to replace the usb key for msdata or hard disk to be used as "boot" to install the windows 10 or 7 on the nvme (both disks ' msata and nvme ) on the same support ? Could be the "start" or "boot" faster using msata than by using a key usb when windows is ialready ?nstalled.
thank you for your answer
If I resume:
1. adapter nvme+msata
2. instal one hard disk nvme ( 512go)+ one msatta (128go) ont the same Adapter nvme+msata ( click on the link)
3.Used msata 128 for boot and then instal windows on the nvme.
I tried with samsung 961 and it did not work. I recognize that I did not spent a lot of time doing that to succeed.
I have a x58 motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P. ( standard bios 2009-2010 , 2011 the last update )
Im going to by a samsung 970 evo plus 500 or Adata 8200 pro 512.
I would like to install one of them on the gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P. According to some peaple it could work on ancient motherboard X58 by using duet or similar An usb Key is necessary. I wonder if instead of using a usb key i could use a hard disk or msata. O course, i have an adapter to nvme :
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Socket-M-...3.0&%3Btpp=1
but im going to get this new adapter with msata : https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/M2-NVME-N....31ff3c00tmBodE
As you can see , I can use a mdata hard disk to be used in this adapter as well SSd nvme as boot like a usb key. is it possible? Of course, the price of the msata or eventually of a classical SSD is closer to the price of an usb with identical storage capacity.
is there any interest to replace the usb key for msdata or hard disk to be used as "boot" to install the windows 10 or 7 on the nvme (both disks ' msata and nvme ) on the same support ? Could be the "start" or "boot" faster using msata than by using a key usb when windows is ialready ?nstalled.
thank you for your answer
If I resume:
1. adapter nvme+msata
2. instal one hard disk nvme ( 512go)+ one msatta (128go) ont the same Adapter nvme+msata ( click on the link)
3.Used msata 128 for boot and then instal windows on the nvme.
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The only exception Samsung 950Pro.
Any other nvme drives will not boot windows.
Any other nvme drives will not boot windows.
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@resxwni01 So... here's the thing : Windows 7 SP1 or Win10 probably thinks your "EFI" boot isn't actual EFI.
Because of that, you probably don't have EFI files (on hidden partition), on that drive.
Which makes it unbootable in "EFI mode", which makes NVMe booting not possible in this case.
Unless your BIOS/EFI has Nvmexpressdxe.ffs module (or similar) inside, you can't use NVMe drive in EFI mode.
And making it work under Legacy... is REALLY hard.
Try 3-rd party EFI program like DUET or Clover.
Because of that, you probably don't have EFI files (on hidden partition), on that drive.
Which makes it unbootable in "EFI mode", which makes NVMe booting not possible in this case.
Unless your BIOS/EFI has Nvmexpressdxe.ffs module (or similar) inside, you can't use NVMe drive in EFI mode.
And making it work under Legacy... is REALLY hard.
Try 3-rd party EFI program like DUET or Clover.
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Well I will be dam. Is my old thread still alive al most 3 years after I started it.
Just gonna show how popular X58 still is together with an nvme SSD. Still using my 950 PRO al most 3 years later and it has worked flawless all the time. Really gave my X58 a great speed kick.
al most 3 years after I started it.Just gonna show how popular X58 still is together with an nvme SSD. Still using my 950 PRO al most 3 years later and it has worked flawless all the time. Really gave my X58 a great speed kick.
agent_x007 for the help, I am working on it now I will get it, just going to take me some time.
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A little late answer. But yes it will work, al throw you will be speed limited because of PCIe gen 2 to around 1700 MB/s as max speed. I have seen others with Gigabyte X58 boards getting 950 PRO to work, so there shut not be a problem in your case.
But you said it would not work back then. Sorry cut not hold back on it
Glad one more come to enjoy NVMe on X58. You are getting speeds i would espect as well.
Here is what i get on my 950 PRO 256 GB version. 512 GB has a higher write speed hence why you are higher on that part.
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As an x58 enthousiast And with the low nvme prIces I decided to jump on the m2 wagon as well... or so I wished. I just can’t get my nvme drives to be detected in win10. I tried 2 drives, both using a pcie4x adapter: Kingston a2000 1tb and a toshiba/kioxia/OCz rc500 500 Gb disk. I don’t need them as boot disks, just want them as fast storage, but none of them is being recognized by win10 (I.e. not visible in device manager or disk management). I confirmed the functionality of both the pcie4x adapter and the two nvme drives in a modern UEFI amd based pc. I also did a memory error test, as some users (YouTube) found that this is helpful when a disk is not detected, but to no avail. Next I tried booting with a clover boot disk. Clover boots fine from usb, but I cannot get my legacy ssd win10 install (not gpt) to boot. I also cannot see the names of the disks. I tried to disconnect my pcie4x Marvell based SATA controller as well as my pcie1x based usb 3 controller, but that didn’t help either. What am I doing wrong? How can I get win10 to recognize the m2 drives in legacy bios/SATA mode (boot from sata6 ssd)? Or alternatively, how can I load clover in UEFI and then boot my legacy win10 from ssd? I just want to be able to access my nvme drive from win10! Any help would be appreciated. Btw my motherboard is an Asus p6x58 e pro, with a Xeon x5670 @ 4,8ghz.
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| System Name | BOX |
|---|---|
| Processor | Core i7 6950X @ 4,26GHz (1,28V) |
| Motherboard | X99 SOC Champion (BIOS F23c + bifurcation mod) |
| Cooling | Thermalright Venomous-X + 2x Delta 38mm PWM (Push-Pull) |
| Memory | Patriot Viper Steel 4000MHz CL16 4x8GB (@3240MHz CL12.12.12.24 CR2T @ 1,48V) |
| Video Card(s) | Titan V (~1650MHz @ 0.77V, HBM2 1GHz, Forced P2 state [OFF]) |
| Storage | WD SN850X 2TB + Samsung EVO 2TB (SATA) + Seagate Exos X20 20TB (4Kn mode) |
| Display(s) | LG 27GP950-B |
| Case | Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL |
| Audio Device(s) | Motu M4 (audio interface) + ATH-A900Z + Behringer C-1 |
| Power Supply | Seasonic X-760 (760W) |
| Mouse | Logitech RX-250 |
| Keyboard | HP KB-9970 |
| Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
Have you tried to put adapter in all PCI-e slots on your board ?
Also, did you install any NVMe drivers from manufacturers of those NVMe's ?
Also, did you install any NVMe drivers from manufacturers of those NVMe's ?
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Thank you for the suggestions; great to see this thread is still alive. I did not try all ports yet; I will do that and report back. For the rc500 there are no manufacturer drivers yet (says the support page), but I will try a Samsung 970 evo plus from another system that I know has specific driver support. Thnx and I will share my findings!