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Micron First to Market With LPDDR5X-based LPCAMM2 Memory

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Micron Technology, Inc. (Nasdaq: MU), today unveiled the industry's first standard low-power compression attached memory module (LPCAMM2) available in capacities from 16 GB to 64 GB, which delivers higher performance, energy-efficiency, space savings and modularity for PCs. Sampling now with production in the first half of 2024, LPCAMM2 is the first disruptive new form factor for client PCs since the introduction of small outline dual inline memory modules (SODIMMs) in 1997. Micron's LPDDR5X DRAM incorporated into the innovative LPCAMM2 form factor will provide up to 61% lower power and up to 71% better performance for PCMark 10 essential workloads such as web browsing and video conferencing, along with a 64% space savings over SODIMM offerings.

As generative artificial intelligence (GAI) use cases proliferate to client PCs, performance of the memory subsystem becomes more critical. LPCAMM2 delivers the required performance to process AI workloads on PCs and provide the potential to scale to applications needing a high performance and low power solution in a compact and modular form factor, with the ability to upgrade low power DRAM for the first time, as customer needs evolve.




"Micron is transforming the laptop user's experience with the LPCAMM2 product that will deliver best-in-class performance per watt in a flexible, modular form factor," said Praveen Vaidyanathan, vice president and general manager of Micron's Compute Products Group. "This first-of-its-kind product will enhance the capabilities of AI-enabled laptops, whose memory capacity can be upgraded as technology and customer needs evolve."

Micron's leadership in JEDEC and collaboration with key client PC OEMs and ecosystem enablers helped design and develop the LPCAMM2 form factor. Beyond product development, delivering this new type of memory has involved numerous innovations for test hardware, testing methodologies and automation technologies that will enable an efficient production ramp. Additional benefits of Micron's LPCAMM2 include:
  • Higher performance with LPDDR5X to achieve speeds up to 9600 Mbps versus 5600 Mbps with current DDR5 SODIMMs
  • Up to 80% system standby power savings to improve battery life
  • Up to 7% better performance for digital content creation workloads
  • Up to 15% improvement for productivity workloads in PCMark 10 tests
  • Modularity to enable critical serviceability functionality for enterprise IT users and administrators
  • Single PCB for all module capacities to provide supply chain flexibility to OEM and ODM customers
  • Simplified motherboard routing complexity compared to SODIMM
  • Crucial LPCAMM2 retail products allow laptop PC users the ability to upgrade their system memory configuration

"LPCAMM2 is a dynamic new form factor for the PC ecosystem that enables higher performance, scalable memory capacity, and improved battery life for mobile workstations and thin and light laptops," said Yasumichi Tsukamoto, executive director and distinguished engineer, Commercial Product Solutions Development at Lenovo. "We are proud of our strong relationship and joint development effort with Micron to be one of the first to market in bringing this flexible memory offering to our customers. In addition to the enhanced user experience, the low power memory used in these modules aligns with our goals to reduce energy consumption in our laptops."

"Intel and Micron, in close collaboration with key industry PC leaders, are reimagining the client PC space through the development of optimized new platform designs, powered by Micron's LPCAMM2 form factor. The technical advantages of LPCAMM2 technology enable Intel and its ecosystem partners to advance sustainable low-power memory technology solutions and exciting new PC designs for the age of the AI PC," said Dr. Dimitrios Ziakas, vice president of Memory and IO Technology at Intel. "We remain committed to our collaboration with the ecosystem, paving the path for future adoption and innovation."

"The use of large language models and AI applications on edge devices like laptops and mobile workstations is a key focus area for our future customer-focused designs," said Andy Lee, senior vice president of Compal. "Compal is working closely with Micron to design platforms that are going to fuel the AI revolution based on the high bandwidth, low power, and high-capacity capabilities of Micron's LPCAMM2 memory solutions."

Micron will also offer end customers Crucial LPCAMM2 memory offerings to provide laptop users like gamers, on-the-go professionals and content creators with the ability to upgrade their memory themselves, an industry first for low-power memory due to the upgradeable design of this new form factor. Crucial LPCAMM2 products will be available in the first half of 2024 on www.crucial.com.

[Editor's note: Pictures of the actual module from CES can be found in this news post]


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I mean, this makes sense. Micron is still a Dell company, right?
 
Whats ironic about the situation is neither of the Laptops shown off at CES feature CAMM infact even Dell isnt adopting that standard.
 
I mean, this makes sense. Micron is still a Dell company, right?
You're kidding, right?
Micron has a market cap of 91.86B USD vs 56.44B USD for Dell...

Whats ironic about the situation is neither of the Laptops shown off at CES feature CAMM infact even Dell isnt adopting that standard.
According to the video, Lenovo is apparently going for it.
Also, we don't know this for sure, I would expect at least a few model to support it.
 
If this thing does not have a standard size, you will have to buy it from the OEM directly or indirectly like other spare parts, unlike DDR5 memory sticks which offer a wide range of options. Someone enlighten me if I got this wrong o_O
 
LPDDR5X 9600 in dual channel mode is 153.6 GBps which is getting real close to the memory bandwidth of midrange discrete graphics. A decent iGPU connected to this RAM would provide decent 1080p gaming performance.
 
LPDDR5X 9600 in dual channel mode is 153.6 GBps which is getting real close to the memory bandwidth of midrange discrete graphics. A decent iGPU connected to this RAM would provide decent 1080p gaming performance.
They aren't doing this for gamers. Repeat after me, gaming doesn't matter, mUh PC g4m1ng, really doesn't matter. Stuff happens for other reasons. If it's for gamers, it's going to have RGB and anime titties on it. If it's an actual good product, it's not for gamers.
 
Whats ironic about the situation is neither of the Laptops shown off at CES feature CAMM infact even Dell isnt adopting that standard.
Dell might be waiting for after market modules to be widely available. We don't know the timeline between the development of the new XPS and those modules, there's a chance that micron couldn't get make them on time. Removable LPDDRX is a pretty big achievement
 
If this thing does not have a standard size, you will have to buy it from the OEM directly or indirectly like other spare parts, unlike DDR5 memory sticks which offer a wide range of options. Someone enlighten me if I got this wrong o_O
It's a JEDEC standard, so you have nothing to worry about.
 
LPDDR5X 9600 in dual channel mode is 153.6 GBps which is getting real close to the memory bandwidth of midrange discrete graphics. A decent iGPU connected to this RAM would provide decent 1080p gaming performance.
Here's hoping the next generation of handheld windows consoles uses this. Strix Point with a >5 TFLOPs FP32 iGPU could probably do wonders with that kind of memory bandwidth, and I would gladly pay a bit more to get modular options.





They aren't doing this for gamers. Repeat after me, gaming doesn't matter, mUh PC g4m1ng, really doesn't matter.
You should send Micron an e-mail to let them know they're wrong in their own press release about this product.

Micron will also offer end customers Crucial LPCAMM2 memory offerings to provide laptop users like gamers, on-the-go professionals and content creators with the ability to upgrade their memory themselves, an industry first for low-power memory due to the upgradeable design of this new form factor.

Here, let me help you, just follow this link:
 
Sounds interesting, but just how many right arms, legs, kidneys, and left testicles is this latest & greatest stuff gonna cost us ?

Oh do tell, Micron....
 
They aren't doing this for gamers. Repeat after me, gaming doesn't matter, mUh PC g4m1ng, really doesn't matter. Stuff happens for other reasons. If it's for gamers, it's going to have RGB and anime titties on it. If it's an actual good product, it's not for gamers.
Eh, sure it wasn't developed expressively for gamers, but there's a real potential for that use case. Now, the question is just how beefy intel/AMD are willing to go when it comes to their iGPU. That's the same bandwidth as a radeon RX 6550m.
 
Sounds interesting, but just how many right arms, legs, kidneys, and left testicles is this latest & greatest stuff gonna cost us ?

Oh do tell, Micron....
We will have to wait for the version with 2TB flash that plugs into the existing DDR5 slot.
 
They aren't doing this for gamers. Repeat after me, gaming doesn't matter, mUh PC g4m1ng, really doesn't matter. Stuff happens for other reasons. If it's for gamers, it's going to have RGB and anime titties on it. If it's an actual good product, it's not for gamers.
ToTTenTranz responded very elegantly to your comment, but I am curious, why would you think this RAM couldn’t be used for gaming?

You mean quad channel?
Whatever channel, the bandwidth still comes out to 153.6 GBps if you have two of these installed.
 
They aren't doing this for gamers. Repeat after me, gaming doesn't matter, mUh PC g4m1ng, really doesn't matter. Stuff happens for other reasons. If it's for gamers, it's going to have RGB and anime titties on it. If it's an actual good product, it's not for gamers.
I don't see how this would be bad for gaming though, I would absolutely welcome a world where handheld gaming consoles like the steamdeck have both user replaceable storage and system ram. It would make such consoles easier to repair or upgrade if you dont have to send them off to a fellow with the proper rework station to replace soldered ram. The AMD Z1 Exreme used in lots of the modern handhelds already supports faster LPDDR5X (the lenovo legion GO features LPDDR5X-7500 instead of LPDDR5-6400 or slower) so theres not really a downside to gamers getting their hands on this tech.
 
Whats ironic about the situation is neither of the Laptops shown off at CES feature CAMM infact even Dell isnt adopting that standard.
CAMM only got adopted recently by JEDEC, it can take months to years for it to actually show up in products after that.
 
LPCAMM and CAMM were created to use one module, if you CPU has an 128-bit wide bus you will need an 128-bit module, if you CPU has an 64-bit wide bus like some pentium/celerons and the new 7020 you will need an 64-bit module.

If this thing does not have a standard size, you will have to buy it from the OEM directly or indirectly like other spare parts, unlike DDR5 memory sticks which offer a wide range of options. Someone enlighten me if I got this wrong o_O
There's two different JEDEC standards LPCAMM and CAMM. The first, LPCAMM, use lpddr modules and is the small of the two standard, the second, CAMM, use standard dram modules and can be packed in more predefined sizes like ssds (2230, 2242, 2260, 2280 and 22110).

CAMM seems to be more business oriented.
 
Here's hoping the next generation of handheld windows consoles uses this. Strix Point with a >5 TFLOPs FP32 iGPU could probably do wonders with that kind of memory bandwidth, and I would gladly pay a bit more to get modular options.

One could hope but handhelds are very restricted by size and geometry of how components can and need to be arranged to fit inside.

It's a JEDEC standard, so you have nothing to worry about.

But how many different form factors/footprints did they include in the standard? The initial proposal from Dell had about a dozen, one for each size more or less which makes adoption harder. I don't have access to the standard but if they included something similar to what Dell originally proposed hopefully the rest of the industry is smart enough to go the way of the m.2 and agrees on one form factor to be the preferred one like how m.2 2280 is the standard in the consumer space
 
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